This is why Black Lives SHOULD Matter

[Shadow Wolf]

Crack their skull open? I'm sure you didn't mean it literally, but it's just a weird image that popped into my head.

I do enjoy using weird wording. Of course not literally, but like cracking an egg open to find a yoke opening the skulls of the dead and studying the brain is how we know what a male and female brain looks like as well as those who are trans.

I'm not sure what "transracial" would even imply. I

People who think they are of a different race. Not like being raised in a different culture but like that Rachel who claims she's black even though she's white.
There's been nothing found to support the idea it's based on anything more than delusions.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Does that matter, ie, which race transforms into which?

It does. If there were some physiological reason behind it we could expect to find people of all ethnicities doing it.
Like Francis Slocum. She was a white girl raised by the Delaware and she married a Miami chief. She was still white and used her whiteness to the benefit of the Miami (who, as non-whites, were prohibited from buying property).
And people pointing out celebrities who can pass as white isn't the same thing. Many Latinos can pass as white. But they aren't. Sometimes a guy can look androgynous enough he gets mistaken for a woman even though he's not and not presenting as or identifying as a woman.

 

[Revoltingest]

It does. If there were some physiological reason behind it we could expect to find people of all ethnicities doing it.

Do you say it's a problem only for whites...or that
it's a problem because they're white (which I inferred
from a prior post). I ask to understand your view.

Like Francis Slocum. She was a white girl raised by the Delaware and she married a Miami chief. She was still white and used her whiteness to the benefit of the Miami (who, as non-whites, were prohibited from buying property).
And people pointing out celebrities who can pass as white isn't the same thing. Many Latinos can pass as white.

It's because they are.

But they aren't.

Tell that to my blue eyed blond Hispanic neighbor.

I really don't see the problem with anyone who sees
themself (new word according to spellcheck) as
another race or just wants to belong to another.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Tell that to my blue eyed blond Hispanic neighbor.

Does your neighbor speak Spanish?
Amd hair color and eye color doesn't necessarily mean anything. Not all Irish are redheads, and even some African are redheads.

 

[Revoltingest]

Does your neighbor speak Spanish?

Only with family.
Not with me....no habla jibber jabber.

Amd hair color and eye color doesn't necessarily mean anything. Not all Irish are redheads, and even some African are redheads.

It means a great deal.
This blond blue eyed white gal is white....not an African redhead.

Besides, don't liberals say that race is not genetic...it's
merely a social construct. So speaking Spanish is no
indicator. My daughter speaks it, & she's Asian.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So speaking Spanish is no
indicator.

I'll put it this way:
Even in a room full of PC libs who thinks supporting Trump automatically makes someone bad and an enemy of trans people, even to this group someone of Spanish origins (such as many parts of Central and South America) must be fluent in Spanish or it's inappropriate to claim Hispanic.

Besides, don't liberals say that race is not genetic...it's
merely a social construct.

I'm not a Liberal, or ignorant of biology enough to pretend it's all social. A lot of it is, but even among whites there is variation among ancestry.

This blond^e blue eyed white gal is white....not an African redhead.

Women have blonde hair.
Men have blond hair.
Fixed.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'll put it this way:
Even in a room full of PC libs who thinks supporting Trump automatically makes someone bad and an enemy of trans people, even to this group someone of Spanish origins (such as many parts of Central and South America) must be fluent in Spanish or it's inappropriate to claim Hispanic.

As we've seen, there are always people with strange, personal,
or strict ways or criteria by which others can define themselves.
I see no need to be limited by their strictrues.

I'm not a Liberal, or ignorant of biology enough to pretend it's all social. A lot of it is, but even among whites there is variation among ancestry.

Women have blonde hair.
Men have blond hair.
Fixed.

I recently decided to drop the superfluous "e".
This is just as with the word, "thru".

 

[Shadow Wolf]

As we've seen, there are always people with strange, personal,
or strict ways of criteria by which others can define themselves.
I see no need to be limited by their strictrues.

I've only known white people to argue this. Definitely not anyone who is Latino. Even those who want to use it to have a gender neutral term to refer to themselves won't claim it if they don't know Spanish.
The most embarrassing being an ex friend who's boyfriend has a splash of Spaniard in him, doesn't know a lick of Spanish, and the Hispanics denounce him as a "white boy" for insisting he's Hispanic.
It's their term, I say let them define it and decide how to use it.

I recently decided to drop the superfluous "e".
This is just as with the word, "thru".

And good grammar is good grammar. It's not looking to a clown to learn how to spell through.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Many Latinos can pass as white. But they aren't.

There's white Latinos and Hispanics. Most Argentines are of European ancestry, for example. Guillermo del Toro is a white Mexican, for another example. It's a cultural identity, not a racial one. It can't be a racial one as Latin American countries are racially mixed between European, black African and indigenous. So there's white, black, mixed, etc. Latinos and Hispanics.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

There's white Latinos and Hispanics. Most Argentines are of European ancestry, for example. Guillermo del Toro is a white Mexican, for another example. It's a cultural identity, not a racial one. It can't be a racial one as Latin American countries are racially mixed between European, black African and indigenous. So there's white, black, mixed, etc. Latinos and Hispanics.

Admittedly, that one I have thought as weird, given Spanish is European, and the language itself Roman, with Spain/Ibanez having quote a diverse background of European and Mediterranean (itself being a cluster of African, Europe, and Middle Eastern).
And then it mingled with the Natives here.

 

[Revoltingest]

I've only known white people to argue this.

I must get around more.
I've heard blacks argue this more than anyone else.

Definitely not anyone who is Latino. Even those who want to use it to have a gender neutral term to refer to themselves won't claim it if they don't know Spanish.
The most embarrassing being an ex friend who's boyfriend has a splash of Spaniard in him, doesn't know a lick of Spanish, and the Hispanics denounce him as a "white boy" for insisting he's Hispanic.
It's their term, I say let them define it and decide how to use it.

And good grammar is good grammar. It's not looking to a clown to learn how to spell through.

Hispanics (typically white) calling other people "white".
It would be like me dissing Esmith for being male.

 

[Stevicus]

I must get around more.
I've heard blacks argue this more than anyone else.

Hispanics (typically white) calling other people "white".
It would be like me dissing Esmith for being male.

I think "Hispanic" is a term that seems to be used in various ways. It's more of a lingual term, referring to people from Spanish-speaking countries. Hispanics can be of any race. Sometimes whites are referred to as "Anglos," and it seems the terms might be used interchangeably.

I don't think it's really about skin color, though, since there can be a variance in skin tone even within the same families, as they have both European and Native American ancestors. Mexico took a somewhat different approach to race than what took place in the United States.

Mestizo - Wikipedia

In the Spanish colonial period, the Spanish developed a complex set of racial terms and ways to describe difference. Although this has been conceived of as a "system," and often called the sistema de castas or sociedad de castas, archival research shows that racial labels were not fixed throughout a person's life.[14] Artwork created mainly in eighteenth-century Mexico, "casta paintings," show groupings of racial types in hierarchical order, which has influenced the way that modern scholars have conceived of social difference in Spanish America.[14]

During the initial period of colonization of the Americas by the Spanish, there were three chief categories of ethnicities: European white or Spaniard (español), Amerindian (indio), and African (negro). Throughout the territories of the Spanish Empire in the Americas, ways of differentiating individuals in a racial hierarchy, often called in the modern era the sistema de castas or the sociedad de castas, developed where society was divided based on color, calidad (status), and other factors.

The main divisions were as follows:

1. Español (fem. española), i.e. Spaniard – person of Spanish or other European ancestry; a blanket term, subdivided into Peninsulares and Criollos
   • Peninsular – a European born in Spain who later settled in the Americas;
   • Criollo (fem. criolla) – a person of Spanish or other European descent born in the Americas;
2. Castizo (fem. castiza) – a person with primarily European and some Amerindian ancestry born into a mixed family; the offspring of a castizo and an español was considered español. Offspring of a castizo/a of an Español/a returned to Español/a.
3. Mestizo (fem. mestiza) – a person of extended mixed European and Amerindian ancestry;
4. Indio (fem. India) – a person of pure Amerindian ancestry;
5. Pardo (fem. parda) – a person of mixed White, Amerindian and African ancestry; sometimes a polite term for a black person;
6. Mulato (fem. mulata) – a person of mixed White and African ancestry;
7. Zambo – a person of mixed African and Amerindian ancestry;
8. Negro (fem. negra) – a person of African descent, primarily former enslaved Africans and their descendants.

In theory, and as depicted in some eighteenth-century Mexican casta paintings, the offspring of a castizo/a [mixed Spanish - mestizo] and an Español/a could be considered Español/a, or "returned" to that status.[15]

 

[Revoltingest]

I think "Hispanic" is a term that seems to be used in various ways. It's more of a lingual term, referring to people from Spanish-speaking countries. Hispanics can be of any race. Sometimes whites are referred to as "Anglos," and it seems the terms might be used interchangeably.

I don't think it's really about skin color, though, since there can be a variance in skin tone even within the same families, as they have both European and Native American ancestors. Mexico took a somewhat different approach to race than what took place in the United States.

Mestizo - Wikipedia

I found it amusing when Zimmerman shot Martin.
Media narrative had to make him a "white" Hispanic.

 

[Stevicus]

I found it amusing when Zimmerman shot Martin.
Media narrative had to make him a "white" Hispanic.

I remember the incident, although I don't think the fact that he was Hispanic was any great secret. It was a while ago, so I don't recall everything the media said about it.

Officially, Hispanics are generally considered "white," although there are quite a number of black Hispanics.

 

[Revoltingest]

I remember the incident, although I don't think the fact that he was Hispanic was any great secret.

No, what was fascinating was the ubiquitous "white"
prefix to "Hispanic". Without, it would be merely
another minority killing a minority....not newsworthy.
A whole lotta racism in the media.

Officially, Hispanics are generally considered "white,"....

Really.
Who officiates this designation?

 

[Stevicus]

No, what was fascinating was the ubiquitous "white"
prefix to "Hispanic". Without, it would be merely
another minority killing a minority....not newsworthy.
A whole lotta racism in the media.

Yeah, well, the media are run by old white men who are cut from the same piece of cloth as the old white racists they rail against. They're all capitalists, too. I'm not saying that makes them the same, as they might have different beliefs and values, but they come from similar cultures and have similar perceptions. Many of us are still products of middle class, white bread America - even those who fancy themselves as progressive or "woke" or whatever. They still can't help seeing the world from that vantage point - at least until they can learn to step outside of their own comfort zone, which most people are afraid to do.

Really.
Who officiates this designation?

The government. Who else?

 

[Revoltingest]

Yeah, well, the media are run by old white men who are cut from the same piece of cloth as the old white racists they rail against.

Old white racists can be liberals who are racist against whites.
Self-haters, eh.

They're all capitalists, too.

I was waiting for that.
Oh, if only we had the agenda-free, objective,
& informative media found in N Korea or China.

The government. Who else?

Have a link?

 

[Stevicus]

Old white racists can be liberals who are racist against whites.
Self-haters, eh.

They're not racist against whites.

I was waiting for that.
Oh, if only we had the agenda-free, objective,
& informative media found in N Korea or China.

Well, in our society, the media have to go with what sells.

Have a link?

Not handy. I just remember what was common practice in filling out the race designation on death certificates when I worked in that field.

 

[Revoltingest]

They're not racist against whites.

Disagree.

Well, in our society, the media have to go with what sells.

Better than what pleases government.

 

[Stevicus]

Disagree.

Better than what pleases government.

How can they be racist against their own race?