This thread is dedicated to first going over the basics of science and working up to evolution.

[oldbadger]

Steps of the Scientific Method

And yet they still get it all wrong!

Complicated = into the rubbish bin.

And please, anyone that has a science based education please feel free to contribute. I know that I will be making some mistakes.

Wot?! After all that super scientific method?

 

[oldbadger]

In your own words what is the scientific method? In other words how is science done?

In your own words, what have you personally discovered or initiated in your life, and which applications from your scientific method did you base your research and discovery upon?

 

[Subduction Zone]

According to the Big bang theory, which appears to be the most accepted theory as to the creation of this universe, at the moment of that event electromagnetic energy in the trillions and trillions of degrees was spewed out from which energy all that exists has been created.

You are correct in stating that there was no matter in the beginning of this particular universe, but there is no such thing as matter at all. According to our Quantum physicists, all is energy, and matter is no more than an illusion.

You are confused again. It is relativity that tells us of the mass energy equivalence.

The first law of thermodynamics is the same as the first law of conservation and that is, that energy can neither be created or destroyed. So it would seem that if energy cannot be created, then it always was, and If it can never be destroyed, it always will be. Therefore, according to this law, energy must be eternal, having neither beginning or end.

No one knows if that law holds up in the singularity. Besides, the total energy of the universe has been measured. The energy of the universe does not violate that law.

Most atheist appear to believe that a universe of mindless matter has produced beings with intrinsic ends, self- replication capabilities, and “coded chemistry”? But as you accept that all that exists was created from the eternal energy which has neither beginning or end, you must now accept that it is the eternal energy which has neither beginning or end, that has become this seemingly material universe and has developed a mind that is the compilation of all the information gathered by all the diverse life-forms that it [The Eternal Energy] has become.

The collective consciousness of all that it has become, in which consciousness A supreme personality, the MOST HIGH in the creation, has developed

Please, not "most atheists" say "most scientist" or even "most rational thinkers". Those events are supported by evidence. You beliefs are not.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And yet they still get it all wrong!

Complicated = into the rubbish bin.


Wot?! After all that super scientific method?

That was a very simplified model of it and they have not been able to follow it. There was not a lot of science involved. I am trying to keep it simple for them.

 

[Subduction Zone]

In your own words, what have you personally discovered or initiated in your life, and which applications from your scientific method did you base your research and discovery upon?

Why ask? Your question appears to be dishonest.

 

[The Anointed]

You are confused again. It is relativity that tells us of the mass energy equivalence.



No one knows if that law holds up in the singularity. Besides, the total energy of the universe has been measured. The energy of the universe does not violate that law.



Please, not "most atheists" say "most scientist" or even "most rational thinkers". Those events are supported by evidence. You beliefs are not.

Don't kid yourself sunshine that the total energy of the universe has been measured.

What lies beyond the visible horizon of the universe?

How many Black holes are there in the universe?

How much energy is trapped within those black holes?

Most scientists and rational thinkers Accept that all was energy, and that all is energy, and that all will be energy.

No one know exactly what a singularity is. Is it a infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small object that was spatially separated in the event called the Big Bang? Or is a white hole at the end of an Einstein Rosen bridge that is connected to a great Gatherer [Black Hole] into which another universal body was torn to pieces molecule by molecule, atom by atom, sub-atomic particle by sub-atomic particles and accelerated to speeds far, far in excess of the speed of Light and spewed out in the trillions of degree somewhere far beyond the visible horizon of the cosmos, where it is resurrected and to where the light from its old position would take billions upon billions of years to reach it?

The Great Attractor: what is this thing?

The smallest unit of galaxies out there is our local group, comprising the Milky Way, the Andromeda galaxy and about 50 others. The Local Group is in turn part of the Virgo Supercluster containing some 40,000 members. Beyond all this is an unseen object called the Great Attractor which is pulling the Milky Way and all else towards it at the terrific speed of 14 million mph. What is this thing, how far away is it, and what will happen when we reach it? No one knows.

Detailed observations of the galaxies around us indicate that there is superposed on the Hubble flow a large-scale streaming motion of about 600 km/s in the general direction of the constellation Centaurus.

This mass migration includes the Local Group, the Virgo Cluster, the Hydra--Centaurus Supercluster, and other groups and clusters for a distance of at least 60 Mpc up and downstream from us. It is as if a great river of galaxies (including our own) is flowing with a swift current of 600 km/s toward Centaurus.

Calculations indicate that ~1016 solar masses concentrated 65 Mpc away in the direction of Centaurus would account for this. This mass concentration has been dubbed the Great Attractor. Detailed investigation of that region of the galaxy cluster Abell 3627) finds 10 times too little visible matter to account for this flow, again implying a dominant gravitational role for unseen or dark matter. Thus, the Great Attractor is certainly there (because we see its gravitational influence), but the major portion of the mass that must be there cannot be seen in our telescopes.

In 1935, Einstein and physicist Nathan Rosen used the theory of general relativity to elaborate on the idea of black holes and worm holes, proposing the existence of "bridges" through space-time. These bridges connect two different points in space-time, theoretically creating a shortcut that could reduce travel time and distance; Billions of light years to mere metres.

According to general relativity, the gravitational collapse of a sufficiently compact mass forms a singular Schwarzschild black hole. In the Einstein–Cartan–Sciama–Kibble theory of gravity, however, it forms a regular Einstein–Rosen bridge.

The gravitational collapse of a single star such as the star of our solar system, can form a White Dwarf, the gravitational collapse of bigger stars can create a neutron star, or a Black Hole, depending on its mass, but not necessarily a Worm Hole.

A worm Hole could theoretically be used as a method of sending information or travelers through space unfortunately, physical matter which includes humans journeying through the space tunnels would appear to be an impossibility as there are strong indications that material objects travelling through a worm hole is forbidden by the law of physics.

But now that it has been discovered that Physical matter is but an illusion, and all is, but the eternal energy, perhaps one day new technology may develop a way to teleport bodies of energy along light beams and reform them to their original form, with no damage done.

 

[oldbadger]

Why ask? Your question appears to be dishonest.

A question cannot be dishonest, cannot be a lie!
Now...... please.....
Are you a scientist?
If so, what science or scientific-method have you personally worked upon, and what did you discover?

 

[oldbadger]

..................... .... I have personally met someone who has his degree in evolutionary biology and taught this for years, who now opposes the standard atheistic idea of evolution. .....................................

Hello.......... and, 'of course'!

I am a Deist, believe that 'God is all', and thus I accept that all knowledge is a part of God....... the ability of species to adapt and evolve is no less chaotic than, for example, the development of our solar system............ and so evolution doesn't deny God, but confirms God.

 

[oldbadger]

What lies beyond the visible horizon of the universe?

.......... it could be that universes are gathered into 'galactic' masses........ and those masses scattered within their own universal clusters.....

Certainly God is bigger than our comprehension will ever grasp, and all science, knowledge, energy and matter is (imo) a part of God.

'Science' needs to be humbled, and not arrogant.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Don't kid yourself sunshine that the total energy of the universe has been measured.

What lies beyond the visible horizon of the universe?

How many Black holes are there in the universe?

How much energy is trapped within those black holes?

Most scientists and rational thinkers Accept that all was energy, and that all is energy, and that all will be energy.

No one know exactly what a singularity is. Is it a infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small object that was spatially separated in the event called the Big Bang? Or is a white hole at the end of an Einstein Rosen bridge that is connected to a great Gatherer [Black Hole] into which another universal body was torn to pieces molecule by molecule, atom by atom, sub-atomic particle by sub-atomic particles and accelerated to speeds far, far in excess of the speed of Light and spewed out in the trillions of degree somewhere far beyond the visible horizon of the cosmos, where it is resurrected and to where the light from its old position would take billions upon billions of years to reach it?

The Great Attractor: what is this thing?

The smallest unit of galaxies out there is our local group, comprising the Milky Way, the Andromeda galaxy and about 50 others. The Local Group is in turn part of the Virgo Supercluster containing some 40,000 members. Beyond all this is an unseen object called the Great Attractor which is pulling the Milky Way and all else towards it at the terrific speed of 14 million mph. What is this thing, how far away is it, and what will happen when we reach it? No one knows.

Detailed observations of the galaxies around us indicate that there is superposed on the Hubble flow a large-scale streaming motion of about 600 km/s in the general direction of the constellation Centaurus.

This mass migration includes the Local Group, the Virgo Cluster, the Hydra--Centaurus Supercluster, and other groups and clusters for a distance of at least 60 Mpc up and downstream from us. It is as if a great river of galaxies (including our own) is flowing with a swift current of 600 km/s toward Centaurus.

Calculations indicate that ~1016 solar masses concentrated 65 Mpc away in the direction of Centaurus would account for this. This mass concentration has been dubbed the Great Attractor. Detailed investigation of that region of the galaxy cluster Abell 3627) finds 10 times too little visible matter to account for this flow, again implying a dominant gravitational role for unseen or dark matter. Thus, the Great Attractor is certainly there (because we see its gravitational influence), but the major portion of the mass that must be there cannot be seen in our telescopes.

In 1935, Einstein and physicist Nathan Rosen used the theory of general relativity to elaborate on the idea of black holes and worm holes, proposing the existence of "bridges" through space-time. These bridges connect two different points in space-time, theoretically creating a shortcut that could reduce travel time and distance; Billions of light years to mere metres.

According to general relativity, the gravitational collapse of a sufficiently compact mass forms a singular Schwarzschild black hole. In the Einstein–Cartan–Sciama–Kibble theory of gravity, however, it forms a regular Einstein–Rosen bridge.

The gravitational collapse of a single star such as the star of our solar system, can form a White Dwarf, the gravitational collapse of bigger stars can create a neutron star, or a Black Hole, depending on its mass, but not necessarily a Worm Hole.

A worm Hole could theoretically be used as a method of sending information or travelers through space unfortunately, physical matter which includes humans journeying through the space tunnels would appear to be an impossibility as there are strong indications that material objects travelling through a worm hole is forbidden by the law of physics.

But now that it has been discovered that Physical matter is but an illusion, and all is, but the eternal energy, perhaps one day new technology may develop a way to teleport bodies of energy along light beams and reform them to their original form, with no damage done.

Once again, TLDR. But I see that you do not understand how the total energy of the universe has been measured.

Instead of confirming your ignorance by quoting and linking articles that you do not understand, nor should not use since you disagree with them anyway, you should be asking questions. But then you do not know enough to even ask proper questions.

Let's keep on topic here. First learn the basics, then you can make wild detours.

 

[Subduction Zone]

A question cannot be dishonest, cannot be a lie!
Now...... please.....
Are you a scientist?
If so, what science or scientific-method have you personally worked upon, and what did you discover?

Of course a question can be dishonest if there is an attempt to make a dishonest claim based upon the answer to that question. Now you repeat your question. I will gladly answer it once you give your motive.

 

[Subduction Zone]

.......... it could be that universes are gathered into 'galactic' masses........ and those masses scattered within their own universal clusters.....

Certainly God is bigger than our comprehension will ever grasp, and all science, knowledge, energy and matter is (imo) a part of God.

'Science' needs to be humbled, and not arrogant.

Anointed has no clue when it comes to the scientific articles that he quotes. Besides that he is rather hypocritical in doing so since he does not appear to accept science in any way at all.

What makes you think that scientists are arrogant? You may be projecting here.

 

[InChrist]

Hello.......... and, 'of course'!

I am a Deist, believe that 'God is all', and thus I accept that all knowledge is a part of God....... the ability of species to adapt and evolve is no less chaotic than, for example, the development of our solar system............ and so evolution doesn't deny God, but confirms God.

Everyone accepts evolution, the ability of species to adapt and evolve...within a species, including creationists. Of course this doesn't deny God. It is the absurd claim of atheistic evolutionists that one species evolves into another that crosses from knowledge and science into the realm of fantasy.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Everyone accepts evolution, the ability of species to adapt and evolve...within a species, including creationists. Of course this doesn't deny God. It is the absurd claim of atheistic evolutionists that one species evolves into another that crosses from knowledge and science into the realm of fantasy.

We have seen species 'evolve into another'. So how is that ridiculous?

The problem is that you believe a myth and are afraid to learn why you are wrong.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I have trouble with it because it is ...NOT fact. There is no evidence that the mechanism of natural selection can generate the abilities that only humans possess; to think, reason, form conceptual ideas, communicate through words/language, worship, and understand moral standards. These are observable empirical evidences that humans are unique from animals and made in God's image.


According the evolutionary paradigm humans do share common ancestry with plants, bacterium, and archea... on and on the speculative story goes.

From Bacteria to Us: What Went Right When Humans Started to Evolve?
https://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/03/...went-right-when-humans-started-to-evolve.html

Humans 'may have evolved with genes from plants' study finds
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/sc...olved-with-genes-from-plants-study-finds.html

All Species Evolved From Single Cell, Study Finds
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/05/100513-science-evolution-darwin-single-ancestor/

Why do you think that other animals don't think, reason, communicate and exercise some form of morality?? I find that to be an odd claim.

 

[oldbadger]

Of course a question can be dishonest if there is an attempt to make a dishonest claim based upon the answer to that question. Now you repeat your question. I will gladly answer it once you give your motive.

A question is just a question!
And you now want my motive for asking a question!
I seek to discover whether or not you yourself are a scientist, hence the question was,'Are you a scientist?'
If you are a scientist I seek to discover what research or discovery you yourself have achieved or undertaken.

What could be more simple?

 

[oldbadger]

What makes you think that scientists are arrogant? You may be projecting here.

Well, look at what you've been writing recently!

Come on.......... what science have you been involved in, in any capacity at all?

 

[oldbadger]

Everyone accepts evolution, the ability of species to adapt and evolve...within a species, including creationists. Of course this doesn't deny God. It is the absurd claim of atheistic evolutionists that one species evolves into another that crosses from knowledge and science into the realm of fantasy.

Hello again.....
OK...... my 'take' is that any 'version' of evolution is 'of God', because my Deism is not founded on Genesis, am not an Abrahamic Faith follower, but I do acknowledge Christian and Abrahamic beliefs.

I don't even reject the idea that outside intelligence may have interfered with the genetic code at some distant point in the past. The more planets that we find which could support life, so the greater the possibility of other life being in possession of truly amazing technology. We scorned the idea of our Earth not being central to everything, back in the day.

 

[Subduction Zone]

A question is just a question!
And you now want my motive for asking a question!
I seek to discover whether or not you yourself are a scientist, hence the question was,'Are you a scientist?'
If you are a scientist I seek to discover what research or discovery you yourself have achieved or undertaken.

What could be more simple?

Nope, I know from experience that is not the case.

Tell me why does it matter if I am a scientist or not?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well, look at what you've been writing recently!

Come on.......... what science have you been involved in, in any capacity at all?

No arrogance, merely a bit of impatience with gross ignorance and dodging.

Your question is pointless. Why should I answer it?