Those who don't believe in hell

[4consideration]

And how you explain this verse if not literally.

And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye
than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. Matthew 18:9

The translation that I use does not say "hell." It says, similar to the other verses, "firey Gehenna."

"If your eye is your downfall, gouge it out and cast it from you! Better to enter life with one eye than be thrown with both into fiery Gehenna."

I see it in a very similar way as I do the other verse I responded about. I think he is using a metaphor the people he was speaking to would understand.

If we would to take it literally, we would have to think he is also indicating it is possible for one who has gouged his own eye out to then "enter life" after he had only one eye -- to be literally born from a woman after he did that? No. Entering life is also part of the metaphor.

I think he is not telling a person to really gouge out their eye, but that he is making the same point of showing his apostles where their own personal responsibility lies -- how they affect how their own life feels, or is experienced, by them.

I think he's trying to help his apostles to understand what's the better course of action -- that if there is something that is going to put one's life into a state of misery, "the pits", garbage...it is better to do without that thing than to suffer on a larger scale.

 

[FearGod]

The translation that I use does not say "hell." It says, similar to the other verses, "firey Gehenna."

"If your eye is your downfall, gouge it out and cast it from you! Better to enter life with one eye than be thrown with both into fiery Gehenna."

I see it in a very similar way as I do the other verse I responded about. I think he is using a metaphor the people he was speaking to would understand.

If we would to take it literally, we would have to think he is also indicating it is possible for one who has gouged his own eye out to then "enter life" after he had only one eye -- to be literally born from a woman after he did that? No. Entering life is also part of the metaphor.

I think he is not telling a person to really gouge out their eye, but that he is making the same point of showing his apostles where their own personal responsibility lies -- how they affect how their own life feels, or is experienced, by them.

I think he's trying to help his apostles to understand what's the better course of action -- that if there is something that is going to put one's life into a state of misery, "the pits", garbage...it is better to do without that thing than to suffer on a larger scale.

How a misery life is related to "be thrown" to a specific place "fiery Gehenna".
Who''s the one to throw, the person will throw himself or will be thrown by the others ?
The fiery Gehenna supposed to be a place for death and destruction, then how to live
with 2 eyes in the "fiery Gehenna" while it's a place of burning and destruction.
Does it make sense to you the way it's interpreted ?

 

[4consideration]

How a misery life is related to "be thrown" to a specific place "fiery Gehenna".
Who''s the one to throw, the person will throw himself or will be thrown by the others ?

In English, I don't think it is that uncommon to express entering a negative state of being as being thrown into something. It just makes sense to me. There is an expression of being 'thrown into despair." It does not mean some entity physically tosses you. It means the circumstances have caused one to be plunged into a negative state of being.

The fiery Gehenna supposed to be a place for death and destruction, then how to live
with 2 eyes in the "fiery Gehenna" while it's a place of burning and destruction.

I interpret Gehenna as a metaphor for a negative "place" as in a negative "state of being." I've explained it the best I know how. You don't have to agree.

Does it make sense to you the way it's interpreted ?

Yes, it makes sense to me.

 

[Parsimony]

Depends on what type of fear one is talking about.
Proverbs 1:7 is speaking about having ' reverential fear ' of God.
As a loving child would have the ' fear', so to speak, of displeasing a loving parent.

Yes, all who view ' hell ' as literal fire are the ones who are taught the false religious-myth view, but it's being taught to them as being Scripture.
Mankind can trace it false religious family tree back to its roots in ancient Babylon with Nimrod - Genesis 10:8-10
As the people migrated away from ancient Babylon they took with them their old religious-myth ideas and practices and spread them world wide into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the Great. That is why we see so many overlapping or similar religious teachings spread throughout the earth today. None of the false teachings make the Bible as wrong, but makes the false teachings ( being taught as Scripture ) as wrong.

I did't say "Fear God" (two words), I said "FearGod" (one word), because I was talking about the name of the member who started this thread.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Right, as far as No burning hell. There is No hellfire. KJV Bibles translated the word Gehenna in English as hellfire. That does Not make Gehenna become the hell of religious myth, but makes the teaching about a forever burning hell as wrong. Did anyone righteous ever go to the Bible's hell? According to Scripture: Yes. The day righteous Jesus died Jesus went to biblical hell. - Acts of the Apostles 2:27. Jesus taught sleep in death - John 11:11-14 - so the Bible's hell is just mankind's grave for the unconscious dead - Ecclesiastes 9:5
Jesus taught about the resurrection, or the getting out of death, so that would mean the getting out of biblical hell.
Jesus has the power over the grave - Revelation 1:18 - so after everyone in biblical hell is ' delivered up ' - Revelation 20:13-14 - then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into a symbolic death ( second death ) for biblical hell. So, you are right there is No Hell of eternal roasting because the Bible's hell is just mankind's stone-cold temporary grave for the sleeping dead.

Then what of the verses that do speak of eternal fire? Matthew 13:42 speaks of a furnace of fire the wicked shall be thrown into, Mark 9:43 mentions an unquenchable fire, Luke 16:23 mentions torment, Matthew 25:46 says it is eternal.

Not true because they mocked the prophet and called him crazy for telling such things,
so no, such things won't frighten them to follow the prophet blindly.

Follow me or you'll go to the hell, doesn't make sense and has no effect.

That is a clear theme throughout the NT, and summed up best by John 3:16 where it is mandated that you must have faith in the Son to have everlasting life.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Then what of the verses that do speak of eternal fire? Matthew 13:42 speaks of a furnace of fire the wicked shall be thrown into, Mark 9:43 mentions an unquenchable fire, Luke 16:23 mentions torment, Matthew 25:46 says it is eternal.
That is a clear theme throughout the NT, and summed up best by John 3:16 where it is mandated that you must have faith in the Son to have everlasting life.

What are the two choices Jesus gave at John 3:16? Was it believe on Jesus so you should Not end up in eternal fire, or does it say Not ' perish' ?
Doesn't the word perish mean ' destruction ' as in the wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7 ?

The fires of Gehenna ( KJV translated into English the word Gehenna as hell fire ). Gehenna was a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem which fires were always burning.
Things which were thrown into Gehenna were destroyed forever and Not kept burning forever, otherwise those burning things would still be with us today. Those things became ashes.
Luke 16:23 is part of a parable or illustration and Not a real happening.
' Torment ' ( Not torture ) as used in Scripture is different. At Matthew 18:30; Matthew 18:34 a tormentor is a jailer and Not a burner of people.
Matthew 25:46 says what is eternal is the ' everlasting punishment ' Not everlasting burning. Everlasting punishment 2 Peter 3:9 is perishing or destruction. 2 Thessalonians 1:9
So, summed up best by John 3:16 B is that Jesus gives us two choices: believe or ' perish ' ( be destroyed ).
Just like with Adam, there was No post-mortem fiery penalty for dead Adam, just returning to the dust - Genesis 3:19 - where the dead know nothing - Ecclesiastes 9:5

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I did't say "Fear God" (two words), I said "FearGod" (one word), because I was talking about the name of the member who started this thread.

I apologize. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

 

[Unification]

What the "fire of hell" means in Matthew 18:9

And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye
than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. Matthew 18:9

What do you think, some persons one literal eyeball makes it to a place called heaven, while their other eyeball makes it to a place called hell?

 

[FearGod]

What do you think, some persons one literal eyeball makes it to a place called heaven, while their other eyeball makes it to a place called hell?

And how looking to something will lead you to destruction ? doesn't make sense either.

 

[Desert Snake]

How a misery life is related to "be thrown" to a specific place "fiery Gehenna".
Who''s the one to throw, the person will throw himself or will be thrown by the others ?
The fiery Gehenna supposed to be a place for death and destruction, then how to live
with 2 eyes in the "fiery Gehenna" while it's a place of burning and destruction.
Does it make sense to you the way it's interpreted ?

There are different types of Hell presented in Scripture, and in Traditional belief. The English word ''Hell'', has been applied to more than one 'type' of traditional Hell, and the way to discern which type of Hell, is being referred to, is generally, contextual.

 

[FearGod]

In English, I don't think it is that uncommon to express entering a negative state of being as being thrown into something. It just makes sense to me. There is an expression of being 'thrown into despair." It does not mean some entity physically tosses you. It means the circumstances have caused one to be plunged into a negative state of being.

I can't see that looking to something will destroy ones life.

I interpret Gehenna as a metaphor for a negative "place" as in a negative "state of being." I've explained it the best I know how. You don't have to agree.

Millions and millions of people are looking everyday on porn movies and they're enjoying it and that
doesn't affect their state of life.

Yes, it makes sense to me.

Explain how ? some examples

 

[Parsimony]

I apologize. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

No prob.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Millions and millions of people are looking everyday on porn movies and they're enjoying it and that
doesn't affect their state of life.

I don't think anyone is saying that porn can't be enjoyable - Hebrews 11:25 - Jesus stressed Not just going to some religious service, but a "way of life" or "lifestyle"
The English word porn, or pornography, comes from the Greek word porneia which is sexual immorality, meaning that porn is scripturally unexceptable.
There are many ways to live life's choices, and according to Scripture God's ways are higher and best - Isaiah 55:8-9
If a person does Not pursue God's ways, then the immoral ways of the world will mold that person.

 

[4consideration]

I can't see that looking to something will destroy ones life.

I think what one is looking to is what one is focusing on. I can see lots of ways what one is focusing on being damaging to one's life.

To me, an easy example of this feeling pain, believing someone else is responsible for that pain (whether that is accurate, or not) and focusing one's attention on hatred, resentment. Simply focusing on who and what one hates for an extended period of time is (IMO) very painful and damaging to one's life. If one's life is consumed by their hatred of another country, religion, race, group, person, political party, etc. -- it is damaging to one's own experience of life in a healthy and joyful way.

Millions and millions of people are looking everyday on porn movies and they're enjoying it and that
doesn't affect their state of life.

I figure it is accurate that millions and millions of people are looking a porn everyday. I have no way of knowing for sure whether it does or does not affect the state of their life. My guess, though, is that many of those people are able to have a balanced approach to it, so that it is not terribly harmful for them. But, I doubt seriously that is the case for all.

Referring back to the verse stating "if your eye causes you to stumble" I think it may apply as a metaphor to those who have an excessive focus on it. I'm not arguing for or against porn, either way. I think in your example of porn -- if looking a porn causes a person to stumble -- meaning, if porn is causing the person a problem in life, like having one's focus on porn when one should be focused on something else -- I think that affects the person's state of being in their own life. When we stumble, it often hurts to some degree.

Explain how ? some examples

I think you and I might be talking about two different things here. I meant that the way I was interpreting it made sense to me.

I'm thinking perhaps you meant what you had just said above about being cast into Gehenna with two eyes, although I don't see anywhere that scripture refers to people with two eyes living in Gehenna. Would you please restate what it is you are asking me?

 

[FearGod]

I think what one is looking to is what one is focusing on. I can see lots of ways what one is focusing on being damaging to one's life.

To me, an easy example of this feeling pain, believing someone else is responsible for that pain (whether that is accurate, or not) and focusing one's attention on hatred, resentment. Simply focusing on who and what one hates for an extended period of time is (IMO) very painful and damaging to one's life. If one's life is consumed by their hatred of another country, religion, race, group, person, political party, etc. -- it is damaging to one's own experience of life in a healthy and joyful way.

We're looking on several different things, that's what the eyes for.
Our minds and the way we think is responsible for our choices and not our eyes, as looking
by itself won't cause any harm

I figure it is accurate that millions and millions of people are looking a porn everyday. I have no way of knowing for sure whether it does or does not affect the state of their life. My guess, though, is that many of those people are able to have a balanced approach to it, so that it is not terribly harmful for them. But, I doubt seriously that is the case for all.

Referring back to the verse stating "if your eye causes you to stumble" I think it may apply as a metaphor to those who have an excessive focus on it. I'm not arguing for or against porn, either way. I think in your example of porn -- if looking a porn causes a person to stumble -- meaning, if porn is causing the person a problem in life, like having one's focus on porn when one should be focused on something else -- I think that affects the person's state of being in their own life. When we stumble, it often hurts to some degree.

No one watching a porn will make it his goal of life

I think you and I might be talking about two different things here. I meant that the way I was interpreting it made sense to me.

I'm thinking perhaps you meant what you had just said above about being cast into Gehenna with two eyes, although I don't see anywhere that scripture refers to people with two eyes living in Gehenna. Would you please restate what it is you are asking me?

Yes i see it literally, back to the time of Jesus, imagine that a maniac saw a beautiful lady somewhere alone,
then he decided to rape her and then gone way.

How that makes his life as Gehenna and not hers ?

 

[CATSISS]

How much you are sure that you're right ?
are you 100% sure that the hell fire doesn't exist and if yes then why ?

Did you think for awhile that the hell fire may exist ?

Will you feel regret if you found yourself in the hell fire afterlife or you won't care about it ?

Im pretty sure that im 100% right,no scientifical evidence at all,but there are claims that some peoples seen hell in their dreams which came from religious peoples as well so ,those were mostly faked biased claims.

When i was a religious person in the past i fear hell like most christian does,but i snapped out of that nonsense already,since then life is a lot simpler.

No,will never regret at all if i really gonna go to hell because i have never done any major bad behaviour or crime,i dont even smoke and drink simply because its bad for my body,but surely i ate pork,left the faith,and wore diffrent fabric other than cotton if im goin to hell because of that, god doesnt worth a penny.