Those who don't believe in hell

[Shadow Wolf]

If there is a god, there is no Hell, as such a being (god) would not be human, and thus probably not all caught up in our trivial notions of "crime and punishment," especially with the punishment being cast into an eternal roasting pit. Such a thing does not strike me as the warnings of a god, but rather the words of men who are desperate for power, and where they fail to grasp it with their iron fists they make claims that people must behave or else it will be god doing the punishment, and you don't want to anger god do you?
If I'm wrong, I'd rather be there than with such a sadistic god.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yes we know that the body dies but we don't know what next.

I think that's a more accurate statement.

 

[FearGod]

What reason do you have to think that there is anything "next?"

Why do you think there is some other component to "you" other than your body?

Since there is precisely ZERO evidence of any "soul" or "afterlife" or "hell" why should anybody worry about such things?

Was there any evidence that you'll be here on earth ?
Was there any evidence before 1888 that a person named Hitler will be born ?
Zero evidences doesn't mean that unexpected things wouldn't happen.

 

[prometheus11]

First question is nonsensical.

Second question: yes, plenty of babies were given that name by their parents before the infamous killer arrived.

Third question: correct but if there is zero evidence, why be concerned?

 

[viole]

Was there any evidence that you'll be here on earth ?
Was there any evidence before 1888 that a person named Hitler will be born ?
Zero evidences doesn't mean that unexpected things wouldn't happen.

I assume that a God that sends believers in Hell and atheists in Heaven, is also somewhat unexpected.

So, why should I worry if one unexpected thing has the same evidence as the other?

Ciao

- viole

 

[FearGod]

I assume that a God that sends believers in Hell and atheists in Heaven, is also somewhat unexpected.

So, why should I worry if one unexpected thing has the same evidence as the other?

Ciao

- viole

I ain't asking anyone to worry but just discussing a point and which is that
unexpected things may happen that we may think of it to be impossible and
irrational, you assume the hell to be unexpected even though you have no evidence,
so simply we don't know.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I ain't asking anyone to worry but just discussing a point and which is that
unexpected things may happen that we may think of it to be impossible and
irrational, you assume the hell to be unexpected even though you have no evidence,
so simply we don't know.

We do know that especially when the Jews began mixing with the Greeks they adopted Greek culture with its theories and philosophies including hell having fire.
Whereas the Scriptures teach the dead know nothing, thus those in the the Bible's hell are just asleep in the Bible's hell or grave for the sleeping dead.
Clergy often teach the religious-myth hell as being Scripture, when biblical hell is mankind's temporary stone-cold grave.

- Reference verses: Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13; Ecclesiastes 9:5; John 11:11-14

 

[FearGod]

We do know that especially when the Jews began mixing with the Greeks they adopted Greek culture with its theories and philosophies including hell having fire.
Whereas the Scriptures teach the dead know nothing, thus those in the the Bible's hell are just asleep in the Bible's hell or grave for the sleeping dead.
Clergy often teach the religious-myth hell as being Scripture, when biblical hell is mankind's temporary stone-cold grave.

- Reference verses: Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13; Ecclesiastes 9:5; John 11:11-14

What the "fire of hell" means in Matthew 18:9

And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye
than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. Matthew 18:9

 

[URAVIP2ME]

If there is a god, there is no Hell, as such a being (god) would not be human, and thus probably not all caught up in our trivial notions of "crime and punishment," especially with the punishment being cast into an eternal roasting pit. Such a thing does not strike me as the warnings of a god, but rather the words of men who are desperate for power, and where they fail to grasp it with their iron fists they make claims that people must behave or else it will be god doing the punishment, and you don't want to anger god do you?
If I'm wrong, I'd rather be there than with such a sadistic god.

Right, as far as No burning hell. There is No hellfire. KJV Bibles translated the word Gehenna in English as hellfire. That does Not make Gehenna become the hell of religious myth, but makes the teaching about a forever burning hell as wrong. Did anyone righteous ever go to the Bible's hell? According to Scripture: Yes. The day righteous Jesus died Jesus went to biblical hell. - Acts of the Apostles 2:27. Jesus taught sleep in death - John 11:11-14 - so the Bible's hell is just mankind's grave for the unconscious dead - Ecclesiastes 9:5
Jesus taught about the resurrection, or the getting out of death, so that would mean the getting out of biblical hell.
Jesus has the power over the grave - Revelation 1:18 - so after everyone in biblical hell is ' delivered up ' - Revelation 20:13-14 - then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into a symbolic death ( second death ) for biblical hell. So, you are right there is No Hell of eternal roasting because the Bible's hell is just mankind's stone-cold temporary grave for the sleeping dead.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

What the "fire of hell" means in Matthew 18:9
And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye
than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. Matthew 18:9

First of all Matthew 18:8-9; Matthew 5:29-30 is metaphorically speaking because Jesus was Not advocating self-mutilation but being willing to cut out of one's life anything harmful.
So, in English the ' fire of hell ' is from the word Gehenna. Gehenna was simply a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were destroyed forever and Not kept burning forever.
So, Gehenna is a fitting symbol for destruction as the wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7
We are given the two choices or either repent or perish ( be destroyed ) - 2 Peter 3:9
As the ashes of Gehenna could Not be put back together again, so the wilfully unrepentant wicked will never have everlasting life, but everlasting destruction.
As Adam ' returned ' to the dust - Genesis 3:19 - there was No post mortem penalty for Adam and Nor is there for anyone else.

 

[FearGod]

If there is a god, there is no Hell, as such a being (god) would not be human, and thus probably not all caught up in our trivial notions of "crime and punishment," especially with the punishment being cast into an eternal roasting pit. Such a thing does not strike me as the warnings of a god, but rather the words of men who are desperate for power, and where they fail to grasp it with their iron fists they make claims that people must behave or else it will be god doing the punishment, and you don't want to anger god do you?
If I'm wrong, I'd rather be there than with such a sadistic god.

Not true because they mocked the prophet and called him crazy for telling such things,
so no, such things won't frighten them to follow the prophet blindly.

Follow me or you'll go to the hell, doesn't make sense and has no effect.

 

[FearGod]

First of all Matthew 18:8-9; Matthew 5:29-30 is metaphorically speaking because Jesus was Not advocating self-mutilation but being willing to cut out of one's life anything harmful.
So, in English the ' fire of hell ' is from the word Gehenna. Gehenna was simply a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were destroyed forever and Not kept burning forever.
So, Gehenna is a fitting symbol for destruction as the wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7
We are given the two choices or either repent or perish ( be destroyed ) - 2 Peter 3:9
As the ashes of Gehenna could Not be put back together again, so the wilfully unrepentant wicked will never have everlasting life, but everlasting destruction.
As Adam ' returned ' to the dust - Genesis 3:19 - there was No post mortem penalty for Adam and Nor is there for anyone else.

But how "thrown into". they're "thrown into" what ?
So fire of hell is a place and not destruction.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Yes we know that the body dies but we don't know what next.

Adam's body went from non-life, to life, and returned back to non-life. A person can Not ' return to a place he never was before.
Adam did Not become a living person ( body and soul )until God breathed the ' breath of life ' into lifeless Adam - Genesis 2:7
Adam was a sinner. The sinning soul or person dies - Ezekiel 18:4; Ezekiel 18:20
What is next, so to speak, for the dead body is sleep in death - John 11:11-14 - until resurrection day meaning Jesus' 1,000 year day of governing over earth.
And as gospel writer Luke wrote the soul can also be destroyed at Acts of the Apostles 3:23.
All the wicked will be: destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7

 

[URAVIP2ME]

But how "thrown into". they're "thrown into" what ?
So fire of hell is a place and not destruction.

Gehenna was a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem. When something was ' thrown into ' Gehenna it was destroyed forever. Ashes can Not be glued back together to make the original.
What happens to the wicked according to Psalms 92:7

 

[FearGod]

Gehenna was a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem. When something was ' thrown into ' Gehenna it was destroyed forever. Ashes can Not be glued back together to make the original.
What happens to the wicked according to Psalms 92:7

They were having a garbage system like us today, a garbage center.
What kind of garbage ? cans , cartons, plastic bottles

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Could be interpreted different ways. Thing is, do you actually think you are being instructed to gouge one of your eyes out if your vision causes you to stumble? I mean, dang, get glasses right? If you think, for one moment, that the remarks about cutting off hands or gouging out eyes could be metaphor for some other meaning, then doesn't it stand to reason that there are other metaphors within scripture? That, just perhaps, it really wasn't meant to be taken strictly literally?

Good point ^ above ^ because Jesus was metaphorically speaking at Matthew 5:29-30; Matthew 18:8-9, and I think anyone can check with an English teacher to explain that.
Jesus was Not advocating self-mutilation, but that we should be willing to cut out of one's life anything that could cause a person to stumble or bring harm to one's self.
Such as: viewing Porn would be harmful to use one's eyes in such a way as to view such a thing.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

They were having a garbage system like us today, a garbage center.
What kind of garbage ? cans , cartons, plastic bottles

You're kidding, right !
All refuse was thrown into the fiery Gehenna. It was their incinerator of the day.
Even dead animals, or even dead bodies of criminals ( considered unfit for burial ) were thrown into Gehenna. Nothing living was thrown into the Gehenna garbage pit.
Why Not google Gehenna and see perhaps how that ' garbage center ' was pictured.

 

[FearGod]

You're kidding, right !
All refuse was thrown into the fiery Gehenna. It was their incinerator of the day.
Even dead animals, or even dead bodies of criminals ( considered unfit for burial ) were thrown into Gehenna. Nothing living was thrown into the Gehenna garbage pit.
Why Not google Gehenna and see perhaps how that ' garbage center ' was pictured.

Believe it if you want.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Believe it if you want.

I want to believe what the Bible really teaches, and the Bible's hell ( Acts of the Apostles 2:27; Psalms 16:10 ) is merely mankind's grave for the sleeping dead as Jesus taught there is sleep in death - John 11-11-14 - until resurrection day, or Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over earth in righteousness. - Revelation 1:18

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Given that Fear God is Muslim (I think), the Hell in discussion is probably the Islamic view, not the particular Christian view you seem to be referring to.

Depends on what type of fear one is talking about.
Proverbs 1:7 is speaking about having ' reverential fear ' of God.
As a loving child would have the ' fear', so to speak, of displeasing a loving parent.

Yes, all who view ' hell ' as literal fire are the ones who are taught the false religious-myth view, but it's being taught to them as being Scripture.
Mankind can trace it false religious family tree back to its roots in ancient Babylon with Nimrod - Genesis 10:8-10
As the people migrated away from ancient Babylon they took with them their old religious-myth ideas and practices and spread them world wide into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the Great. That is why we see so many overlapping or similar religious teachings spread throughout the earth today. None of the false teachings make the Bible as wrong, but makes the false teachings ( being taught as Scripture ) as wrong.