Those who don't believe in hell

[Draka]

What if the terrorist was shooting innocent people ? will you wait to treat his mental illness
in Mclean hospital or just kill him on spot ?

If everything is designed by your god, including people, then their mental illness was a creation of god. Look, if someone commits crimes due to mental illness then they usually end up committed to a mental hospital in our physical world. But the afterlife...if god knew that what they did was due to mental defect, a defect he either allowed or created, then don't you think he could fix that? Not to mention that our spirits are not our bodies. Why would a mental defect stay with the spirit when the body is no longer attached? If the soul itself were somehow tainted by the actions that someone did while in full control of their mental faculties do you think your god incapable of redeeming them? No second chances? No chance to cleanse oneself? Is your god so uncaring, so vile, so vindictive that it would honestly condemn a soul to eternal torture? You really think there no better way? That a deity's caring for the spirits it created ends when they do something wrong? Even a human parent continues to love their children despite their wrongdoing and tries to teach them, guide them, forgive them. Are you saying that human parents are better than your god?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

What if the terrorist was shooting innocent people ? will you wait to treat his mental illness
in Mclean hospital or just kill him on spot ?

I find it extremely bizarre that there are so many people who attempt to evoke the existence of a supernatural, all-powerful, all-knowing entity who consistently seem to lack any kind of understanding of what it is exactly they are suggesting and instead seem to insist that such a being would be entirely limited by the exact same things that limit human beings. It seems a spectacular failure of imagination to insist on the existence of something all-powerful that still operates absolutely the same as a normal human being.

 

[columbus]

What if the terrorist was shooting innocent people ? will you wait to treat his mental illness
in Mclean hospital or just kill him on spot ?

We limited humans, with our current technology, don't have a better choice.
Suppose you had a device you could aim at the terrorist which would temporarily paralyze and then fix his mind so he wouldn't want to do that again. Would you still want to shoot him? I wouldn't.
This thread is about God, justice and Hell. Hell is an illogical concept if the first two exist.
Tom

 

[dust1n]

How much you are sure that you're right ?
are you 100% sure that the hell fire doesn't exist and if yes then why ?

I'm probably more sure that hell doesn't exist than that I myself do exist. So like 99.99999999999%

Did you think for awhile that the hell fire may exist ?

When I was younger, but then I learned the pressure underground would immediately eviscerate my body if I was sent to it, and then I'd have nothing left to feel fire with, and whatever was left might come out of volcano later.

Will you feel regret if you found yourself in the hell fire afterlife or you won't care about it ?

I'd be like, "Why did we have to literally bring fire into the equation? I don't have a physical body anymore, but I'm being hurt by a physical phenomenon? Can't you just create the sensation of burning alive without actually collecting all that kindling? Or maybe hell is coal powered.

 

[dust1n]

Who turned down the offer?

Well, I had the kids that weekend, and I only see them twice a month, so I sort of had more important things to do than receive the revelation directly from God.

 

[FearGod]

Torture them in a pit of fire for a billion years? Or is that too harsh? (Not even a second of "eternity").

Annihilate him?

Right, annihilating him.
What if the terrorist is a rebellion and can be alive after shooting him ? IOW eternal shooting is needed.

 

[prometheus11]

Are you asking me to believe that a god powerful and creative enough to make and sustain hell doesn't have enough power and creativity to annihilate a person?

 

[FearGod]

Are you asking me to believe that a god powerful and creative enough to make and sustain hell doesn't have enough power and creativity to annihilate a person?

The Satan is still free and is a rebellion and he'll always be, the hell is the place for him to settle in.
We know that the body dies but the soul doesn't.

 

[prometheus11]

The Satan is still free and is a rebellion and he'll always be, the hell is the place for him to settle in.
We know that the body dies but the soul doesn't.

Please answer my question.

I made it simple enough. A yes or no will suffice.

 

[FearGod]

Please answer my question.

I made it simple enough. A yes or no will suffice.

I don't answer a thing that i don't know, if you asked me, can God make a TV, i may
say to you yes he can by creating humans who're capable of doing so.

I don't know what is the soul and what is its capabilities, The Satan has capabilities
which you may believe or disbelieve.

 

[prometheus11]

So, are you saying that your god can create and sustain hell, but he can't destroy a person or devise a nicer alternate to hell?

 

[Draka]

@FearGod I notice that you don't even seem to seriously attempt to answer my posts anymore. Why is that? Can't answer them? The flaw in your reasoning showing?

You keep putting up strawman examples and I keep shooting them down. You seem completely unwilling to entertain the mere idea that "Hell" is an illogical concept no matter how much is brought forth to show you why it is just that.

Is your god all powerful? Did your god create everything? Does your god give one iota of care about humans at all?

 

[FearGod]

So, are you saying that your god can create and sustain hell, but he can't destroy a person or devise a nicer alternate to hell?

The problem that we equate God to humans, and if we insist to visualize him as so then everything will
make no sense.

 

[Draka]

The problem that we equate God to humans, and if we insist to visualize him as so then everything will
make no sense.

Yet you keep comparing hell to our justice system and the way criminals are punished. You keep bringing up examples that humans do to justify your claim that your god does it. Why is it okay for you to compare the "rationality" of hell to what humans do, and thus it makes sense for god to do, yet when we put to you questions along the exact same lines, only flipped, then your tune changes? You have been anthropomorphizing your god this whole time. When we break down and do so you say we can't understand it because we're humans. Well, guess what, you're human too, so if we can't make sense of it neither can you, so how can you purport to understand anything about god at all?

 

[prometheus11]

Let's try this again: m

Answer please.

So, are you saying that your god can create and sustain hell, but he can't destroy a person or devise a nicer alternate to hell?

 

[Parsimony]

Following a specific one religion as what Pascal did and assuming it to be the right religion
has a flaw and which is what if the religion you chose was the wrong one, still the probability
of being wrong in Pascal's Wager exists.

Exactly, which is why invoking a fear of Hell is insufficient grounds to promote the following of any religious system.

 

[FearGod]

Let's try this again: m

Answer please.

So, are you saying that your god can create and sustain hell, but he can't destroy a person or devise a nicer alternate to hell?

First i don't have my own God and i don't know what's God and how he looks like, yes God can do anything
according to his plans and the soul is one, but what's the soul and what's its capabilities in the afterlife is in
the unknown, why God needs to have an alternative to the hell, electric chairs.

Is't because of irrationality the hell can never be a reality, but still it isn't a fact but an assumption, that's the whole point.

 

[prometheus11]

Yeah, I guess I don't see the point. In my view, A god capable of creating and sustaining hell, would also be able to create and sustain some other form of punishment less horrible.

 

[FearGod]

Exactly, which is why invoking a fear of Hell is insufficient grounds to promote the following of any religious system.

But what if it's a reality and not just a matter of fearing, can we know other than believing it
to be irrational to us.

 

[FearGod]

Yeah, I guess I don't see the point. In my view, A god capable of creating and sustaining hell, would also be able to create and sustain some other form of punishment less horrible.

That what we may think and what we may guess.