Those who don't believe in hell

[Timothy Bryce]

How much you are sure that you're right ?
are you 100% sure that the hell fire doesn't exist and if yes then why ?

Did you think for awhile that the hell fire may exist ?

Will you feel regret if you found yourself in the hell fire afterlife or you won't care about it ?

I consider people who believe in "hell" to be victims of child abuse as no rational person would believe in a literal interpretation of some of the imagery in Revelations.

I would imagine that if you pull any infant aside and threaten them with eternal torture, it will have the potential to traumatise them long into adulthood. Luckily, when I was about 8 or 9 or so, I realised just how malicious, dangerous and misguided most of my catholic school teachers and those associated with the church and those beliefs actually were. Since then, I became somewhat of a brat and my friends and I would spend many years subsequently screwing with these poor, damaged teachers who were obviously victims of the same trauma that they were spewing around their children.

Psychological/emotional child abuse is no joke. And it's a tragedy within the human condition that this actually goes on and is so widespread and accepted.

Just another good reason to perceive religious authorities with little more than distain and to avoid their influences. Hell, it might even save you from being raped.

 

[FearGod]

I consider people who believe in "hell" to be victims of child abuse as no rational person would believe in a literal interpretation of some of the imagery in Revelations.

I would imagine that if you pull any infant aside and threaten them with eternal torture, it will have the potential to traumatise them long into adulthood. Luckily, when I was about 8 or 9 or so, I realised just how malicious, dangerous and misguided most of my catholic school teachers and those associated with the church and those beliefs actually were. Since then, I became somewhat of a brat and my friends and I would spend many years subsequently screwing with these poor, damaged teachers who were obviously victims of the same trauma that they were spewing around their children.

Psychological/emotional child abuse is no joke. And it's a tragedy within the human condition that this actually goes on and is so widespread and accepted.

Just another good reason to perceive religious authorities with little more than distain and to avoid their influences. Hell, it might even save you from being raped.

That's what you think about it, but what if you were wrong, what if the probability that the hell is a reality
being 0.01% becomes real and true.

Why you think that your opinion and view about how God should be is right ? what if it isn't ?

 

[Timothy Bryce]

That's what you think about it, but what if you were wrong, what if the probability that the hell is a reality
being 0.01% becomes real and true.

Why you think that your opinion and view about how God should be is right ? what if it isn't ?

The "hell" conveyed to me by almost every religious authority and catholic teacher has a 0.00% probability of being true. Any rational person knows that and knows it's true purpose.

It's clear to me that childhood trauma plays an enormous role in the personal development of each individual's personality. I would say that the Semitic religious interpretation of the "reality" of eternal torture is a clear and obvious rhetorical technique directed at children (or any other vulnerable person) with the clear intent of inflicting a form of damage that, in turn, may have the effect of gravitating that damaged person to a specific narrative; one that they might go through life terrified of the thought of removing themselves from the trash that the child abusers inflicted upon them.

It's nothing new and it's been going on for thousands of years in various different forms. I just feel lucky enough not to have had my intellectual and spiritual exploration molested and tampered with by gruesome old geriatrics bitter about the way that their own lives unfolded according to this egotistical belief in this very obvious myth.

People who believe in an organism being tortured for eternity after it is dead are misguided; the concept is stupid and damaging and needs to be ridiculed as much as possible.

 

[Parsimony]

That's what you think about it, but what if you were wrong, what if the probability that the hell is a reality
being 0.01% becomes real and true.

Why you think that your opinion and view about how God should be is right ? what if it isn't ?

I'm curious, what are you hoping to achieve with this thread? What is its purpose?

 

[Timothy Bryce]

I'm curious, what are you hoping to achieve with this thread? What is its purpose?

I would assume: the OP is reflecting the trauma and terror that way conveyed to him(?) at some point. It's an exercise in projecting a deep-seeded insecurity out into an anonymous forum to assist in massaging an unstable ego.

 

[FearGod]

The "hell" conveyed to me by almost every religious authority and catholic teacher has a 0.00% probability of being true. Any rational person knows that and knows it's true purpose.

It's clear to me that childhood trauma plays an enormous role in the personal development of each individual's personality. I would say that the Semitic religious interpretation of the "reality" of eternal torture is a clear and obvious rhetorical technique directed at children (or any other vulnerable person) with the clear intent of inflicting a form of damage that, in turn, may have the effect of gravitating that damaged person to a specific narrative; one that they might go through life terrified of the thought of removing themselves from the trash that the child abusers inflicted upon them.

It's nothing new and it's been going on for thousands of years in various different forms. I just feel lucky enough not to have had my intellectual and spiritual exploration molested and tampered with by gruesome old geriatrics bitter about the way that their own lives unfolded according to this egotistical belief in this very obvious myth.

People who believe in an organism being tortured for eternity after it is dead are misguided; the concept is stupid and damaging and needs to be ridiculed as much as possible.

What is the purpose of our laws on earth ? isn't it to punish the accuser ?
If we have no laws the accuser will commit the crime but without punishment, so the law is made to
punish and to protect the obedient citizens.

 

[Timothy Bryce]

What is the purpose of our laws on earth ? isn't it to punish the accuser ?
If we have no laws the accuser will commit the crime but without punishment, so the law is made to
punish and to protect the obedient citizens.

That's an incredibly foolish and uneducated thing to say. I hope any susceptible people who read it don't take it seriously.

You clearly have no knowledge of law; if you would like to look up the "purpose" of criminal law (since you're talking about punishment, I'm assuming your understanding of law begins and ends with criminal law), I would suggest helping yourself to the statutory legislation within your own jurisdiction which I guarantee will clearly outline the purpose of criminal sentencing procedures. There are many reasons as to why accused criminals go through the system that they do.

You obviously have a lot to learn in this area.

 

[FearGod]

I'm curious, what are you hoping to achieve with this thread? What is its purpose?

That what we think and imagine it to be untrue and irrational can be a reality,
We can't imagine that the universe came from vacuum, how it started from nothingness
then a thing, to us it's crazy and impossible but here it's, real and true.

 

[FearGod]

That's an incredibly foolish and uneducated thing to say. I hope any susceptible people who read it don't take it seriously.

You clearly have no knowledge of law; if you would like to look up the "purpose" of criminal law (since you're talking about punishment, I'm assuming your understanding of law begins and ends with criminal law), I would suggest helping yourself to the statutory legislation within your own jurisdiction which I guarantee will clearly outline the purpose of criminal sentencing procedures. There are many reasons as to why accused criminals go through the system that they do.

You obviously have a lot to learn in this area.

This the stupidest comment i've ever read in my whole life indeed.

 

[Timothy Bryce]

This the stupidest comment i've ever read in my whole life indeed.

Ad hominem.

There is nothing stupid about suggesting that you, who is ignorant of the legal system (and publically appealing to people with regards to their issue), should educate yourself about what you are grappling with - I invite you to explain to me what is stupid about my comment.

This is the stupidest thread I've ever seen indeed.

 

[FearGod]

Ad hominem.

There is nothing stupid about suggesting that you, who is ignorant of the legal system (and publically appealing to people with regards to their issue), should educate yourself about what you are grappling with - I invite you to explain to me what is stupid about my comment.

This is the stupidest thread I've ever seen indeed.

Lol, indeed the user name should be the bad doctor.

Laws Don’t Prevent Crime, They Punish It

 

[Draka]

The ideal, however, is to deter and rehabilitate. Some countries do this well and some fail miserably. Of the countries that focus on rehabilitation most have lower crime rates and those who have gone through the justice system are less likely to offend again. Countries which focus on punishment only seem to have higher crime rates and more reoffenders. Think on that one.

 

[Timothy Bryce]

Lol, indeed the user name should be the bad doctor.

Laws Don’t Prevent Crime, They Punish It

Way to cop yourself out by posting someone else's opinion as if it's your own.

As I've already said: a stronger authority would be examining the legislation for criminal sentencing procedures in your jurisdiction; it will be (presumably) essentially the same as the information in the article you posted, except the legislation is verified while your article is not.

So, that being established, what specifically is stupid about my post?

Then you have to wonder what this long and redundant tangent has to do with the ridiculous premise of this thread in the first place: there's an unverified assumption that the sun will explode in 5 minutes from now; should anyone be concerned about this simply because it's been expressed? The answer is a resounding "no".

 

[Timothy Bryce]

The ideal, however, is to deter and rehabilitate. Some countries do this well and some fail miserably. Of the countries that focus on rehabilitation most have lower crime rates and those who have gone through the justice system are less likely to offend again. Countries which focus on punishment only seem to have higher crime rates and more reoffenders. Think on that one.

There is also the problem in the United States on capitalizing on correctional facilities that I think needs to be re-examined.

I think the more punitive measures taken by criminal justice systems have a psychological effect that causes romanticized criminal cultures to arise due to a binary perception of people being inherently "good" or "bad" rather than simply human and entitled to basic human rights.

 

[FearGod]

Way to cop yourself out by posting someone else's opinion as if it's your own.

Really, that's funny.
Do you want me to quote hundreds that match my opinion ? you won't listen to my opinion
because you think that you're the only one that get it right.

As I've already said: a stronger authority would be examining the legislation for criminal sentencing procedures in your jurisdiction; it will be (presumably) essentially the same as the information in the article you posted, except the legislation is verified while your article is not.

So, that being established, what specifically is stupid about my post?

OMG, what kind of brain you got ! , here's what i had said in which you refused and you said it's a foolish thing to say

((What is the purpose of our laws on earth ? isn't it to punish the accuser ?
If we have no laws the accuser will commit the crime but without punishment, so the law is made to
punish and to protect the obedient citizens))

Then you have to wonder what this long and redundant tangent has to do with the ridiculous premise of this thread in the first place: there's an unverified assumption that the sun will explode in 5 minutes from now; should anyone be concerned about this simply because it's been expressed? The answer is a resounding "no".

The sun will explode in 5 minutes, that'll scare me, the same for the hell, i ain't sleeping day and night thinking about it, doctor.

 

[Timothy Bryce]

Really, that's funny.
Do you want me to quote hundreds that match my opinion ? you won't listen to my opinion
because you think that you're the only one that get it right.



OMG, what kind of brain you got ! , here's what i had said in which you refused and you said it's a foolish thing to say

((What is the purpose of our laws on earth ? isn't it to punish the accuser ?
If we have no laws the accuser will commit the crime but without punishment, so the law is made to
punish and to protect the obedient citizens))



The sun will explode in 5 minutes, that'll scare me, the same for the hell, i ain't sleeping day and night thinking about it, doctor.

Is English your first language? Because, if it is, your use of it is remarkably broken.

You're all over the place with this post (and OP) which makes it difficult to respond to you.

Okay, let's start:

1. "you won't listen to my opinion" - what is this "opinion" you're referring to? All you did in your post that I initially responded to was your oversimplification the concept of jurisprudence in order to sustain this ridiculous thread about an absurd topic. Existence of criminal law is not evidence for some kind of metaphysical "hell".

2. If this "opinion" (which is much more of a redundant tangent) is, literally: "If we have no laws the accuser will commit the crime but without punishment, so the law is made to
punish and to protect the obedient citizens," you'll get no argument from me but I will comment on two things: that your "opinion" reflects a limited or ignorant understanding of the legal system; and that concepts of "crime and punishment" in society are completely irrelevant to this exhausting carousel of discussing "hell".

3. I never "refused" any opinion. I stated my own and commented on a statement that you made.

4. If other people's conceptions of "hell" don't bother you, why bother making this thread?

5. Don't try to insult valid statements or opinions because your feelings are hurt. If you disagree with an idea; you should explain why. Otherwise you'll only come across as a crying baby.

 

[Draka]

((What is the purpose of our laws on earth ? isn't it to punish the accuser ?
If we have no laws the accuser will commit the crime but without punishment, so the law is made to
punish and to protect the obedient citizens))

But punishment isn't the goal in justice. Perhaps in some countries, but it has already been shown that that system doesn't work. In places where rehabilitation is the goal rather than punishment there is less crime and less recidivism. This should obviously show that the idea of just punishment for crimes is an inferior one.

If a child misbehaves and you spank them and send them to their room for a while have they learned anything other than it hurts when you are caught? However, if that same child is taken aside, explained exactly what they did was wrong and how, and made to work on some sort of restitution and learn how what they did should never be done again and why...you have a child that is far less likely to repeat their mistakes.

All punishment does is make one angry and more determined not to be caught again. It doesn't encourage good behavior, it teaches to hide bad behavior better. Whereas teaching one how and where they went wrong and why and what the repercussions were and how they could do better encourages good behavior.

Punishment doesn't work to change anything. It only accomplishes a sense of vindication or catharsis for the victim. Does nothing for the perpetrator.

This being the case, being that we can show through the legal systems in this world that punishment is a flawed premise for wrongdoing, the concept of an afterlife of punishment doled out by a greater and wiser being makes ultimately no sense at all.

 

[FearGod]

Is English your first language? Because, if it is, your use of it is remarkably broken.

How to amend it ?

You're all over the place with this post (and OP) which makes it difficult to respond to you.

Okay, let's start:

1. "you won't listen to my opinion" - what is this "opinion" you're referring to? All you did in your post that I initially responded to was your oversimplification the concept of jurisprudence in order to sustain this ridiculous thread about an absurd topic. Existence of criminal law is not evidence for some kind of metaphysical "hell".

Not my problem if you can't comprehend the point and which is (trying to make it simpler here),
punishment has nothing to do with intimidation.

2. If this "opinion" (which is much more of a redundant tangent) is, literally: "If we have no laws the accuser will commit the crime but without punishment, so the law is made to
punish and to protect the obedient citizens," you'll get no argument from me but I will comment on two things: that your "opinion" reflects a limited or ignorant understanding of the legal system; and that concepts of "crime and punishment" in society are completely irrelevant to this exhausting carousel of discussing "hell".

To you yes, due to lack of comprehension.

3. I never "refused" any opinion. I stated my own and commented on a statement that you made.

Which i'd proved it as being a stupid comment.

4. If other people's conceptions of "hell" don't bother you, why bother making this thread?

Because i like bothering.

5. Don't try to insult valid statements or opinions because your feelings are hurt. If you disagree with an idea; you should explain why. Otherwise you'll only come across as a crying baby.

Your comments were stupid and it has nothing to do with my feelings.

 

[FearGod]

But punishment isn't the goal in justice. Perhaps in some countries, but it has already been shown that that system doesn't work. In places where rehabilitation is the goal rather than punishment there is less crime and less recidivism. This should obviously show that the idea of just punishment for crimes is an inferior one.

If a child misbehaves and you spank them and send them to their room for a while have they learned anything other than it hurts when you are caught? However, if that same child is taken aside, explained exactly what they did was wrong and how, and made to work on some sort of restitution and learn how what they did should never be done again and why...you have a child that is far less likely to repeat their mistakes.

All punishment does is make one angry and more determined not to be caught again. It doesn't encourage good behavior, it teaches to hide bad behavior better. Whereas teaching one how and where they went wrong and why and what the repercussions were and how they could do better encourages good behavior.

Punishment doesn't work to change anything. It only accomplishes a sense of vindication or catharsis for the victim. Does nothing for the perpetrator.

This being the case, being that we can show through the legal systems in this world that punishment is a flawed premise for wrongdoing, the concept of an afterlife of punishment doled out by a greater and wiser being makes ultimately no sense at all.

And how you rehabilitate the child abusers and the rapists ? giving them some lessons and letting them free.

 

[Timothy Bryce]

How to amend it ?



Not my problem if you can't comprehend the point and which is (trying to make it simpler here),
punishment has nothing to do with intimidation.



To you yes, due to lack of comprehension.



Which i'd proved it as being a stupid comment.



Because i like bothering.



Your comments were stupid and it has nothing to do with my feelings.

No. The premise of this entire thread is stupid and your hurt feelings are reflected in the fact that you felt it necessary to carry it on for 12 pages.

Keep trying though.