Not to mention that everyone is playing Pascal's Wager anyway due to the fact that there are multiple religions. If one chooses Islam in order to be safe from the Islamic Hell, they would make themselves vulnerable to the Pentecostal Hell and vice versa. There is no "safe" option.
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Those who don't believe in hell
- Thread starter FearGod
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Very true.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
The safe option is to avoid the bad deeds.
Did Jesus avoid bad deeds ?_______
Can you think of anyone righteous that went to hell ?
On the day Jesus' died, Jesus went to the Bible's hell - Acts of the Apostles 2:27 - which is simply mankind's stone-cold grave.
Since Jesus taught only ' sleep in death ' - John 11:11-14, then Jesus knew he would be in an unconscious state until God resurrected Jesus out of biblical hell. - Acts of the Apostles 3:15
Jesus was well educated in the old Hebrew Scriptures which also teach sleep in death: Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13; Ecclesiastes 9:5
So,from Scripture it would seem that the safest option would be to follow Jesus as a ' way of life ' or lifestyle.
Draka
Wonder Woman
Which we can do for ourselves or brought about by karmic justice.
Who is and is not a "bad" person is often quite subjective as good and bad are subjective terms. And I simply don't see the reason for such a punishment. Learning should be the goal. Rehabilitation. Growth. Throwing someone in a pit of torture and despair to rot is hardly doing any of that.
Personally I believe in reincarnation and karma and the eventual rejoining of the soul to the Source Divine. Punishment is counterproductive to that. You don't learn from punishment. You learn through trials and lessons. what sort of lesson does "Hell" teach? Nothing. Only that the deity responsible is cruel and vengeful and most likely childish.
See, I don't believe that this is our one shot through life. I believe that we keep coming back and learning and gaining wisdom and improving upon our soul/spirit. We grow. Punishment like "Hell" simply does not work in such a arrangement. AND if one does think that we only have one trip through this world then punishment still doesn't make any sense. There are too many ideas, philosophies, theories, religions in this world for anyone to have a real chance of knowing with absolute certainty what a deity truly wants and behave accordingly. People can claim this scripture is right, that path is right, these words are the ones to listen to, this book is inspired by god and so on and so forth, BUT there is no true certainty. Now one would think that, if there truly is a deity, that said deity would know that. Now, if they really, truly wanted everyone to follow specific instructions, for some unbeknown reason probably involving their own ego, then they should have made themselves unerringly apparent to the world (the whole world, at once, without question or doubt possible, not just one section of the earth through certain people). If not, then the idea that some deity, who would know not everyone in the world is going to have the same reasoning and thoughts and experience when it comes to deity, is not going to all behave the exact same way. It is then absurd to think that said deity would punish people for "sinning" against certain prescribed rules, no matter how small or inane. Honestly, if you're dealing with just one shot through life, the idea of Purgatory makes far more sense than Hell. At least that gives the chance for redemption and growth and learning. Hell provides none of that and is just the cruel and twisted actions of a petty deity. I don't believe a deity to be petty and cruel. Something that great and beyond us cannot be that childish and immature. Hence...I don't believe in a hell concept.
Whose version of 'bad deeds'?
That's not completely possible, given that no one is perfect. Everyone has done bad things at some time in their life or another.
What bad things did Jesus do in his lifetime on earth?
Yet, righteous Jesus went to hell the day he died - Acts of the Apostles 2:27
Not the non-biblical hell of forever burning, otherwise Jesus would still be hell, but Jesus went to the Bible's temporary hell, or temporary grave for mankind.
That is why the Scriptures teach only sleep in death (RIP)
- Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13; Ecclesiastes 9:5; John 11:11-14
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
We can't think of God as if he's a human being, he isn't even he or a she, so thinking of
his acts to be irrational and doesn't make sense ,,,etc is as to think of humans are
demons because they kill lambs, cows, chicken ..etc and then eating them, we're monsters
for the other animals whereas we believe that we're Angels.
his acts to be irrational and doesn't make sense ,,,etc is as to think of humans are
demons because they kill lambs, cows, chicken ..etc and then eating them, we're monsters
for the other animals whereas we believe that we're Angels.
Perhaps your belief system doesn't include an eternal, burning Hell, but the focus here is Pascal's Wager (i.e. it is better to subscribe to a religion/denomination that teaches eternal punishment for the unrighteous in order to please the god of that religion/denomination than to take the risk of ending up in that same state of eternal punishment for not worshiping that god). Pascal's Wager is about taking measures to avoid a possible fate, not necessarily a likely one.
Maybe thinking we have any clue of what he wants is irrational?
Nothing can be made 100% sure. As sure as is humanly possible in 21st century knowledgebase...yes.
Why? Because I am an atheist.
Won't regret anything. It will simply show that the universe is created by an evil demon, and I can't worship evil demons no matter the consequences.
Draka
Wonder Woman
More like if we are as unevolved as we are, the animals that we are, and even we can see the fail in the logic of the supposed stances of a presumed deity, a being supposedly greater than us, then just how great and advanced can that deity be.
Also, looking at it your way, as a way to excuse your deity's shortcomings, then just exactly how are we mere humans supposed to understand anything about God and what it wants at all?
I'm sorry, but the fact is that a hell just doesn't make any logical or rational sense at all. If a hell creating god didn't want us finding it so then perhaps it should have made us less capable of thinking for ourselves.
roger1440
I do stuff
Tell me more about this Hell. Do you know of any eye witnesses who have been there and back? Please don't tell me you found it in a book. Many books have been written over the years. In the United States alone over 500,000 books a year are published. Multiply that by the amount of countries in the world, then multiply that by the numbers of years mankind has been writing books and we end up with a heck of a lot of books.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
And your religion title is Christian, Do you have the evidence other than books ?
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I'm nearly 100% sure there's no hell, but I think if there is one, it's probably reserved for those who use god as an excuse to harm others.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Only the ones using God as an excuse, so it's alright if harming without using God as an excuse ?
roger1440
I do stuff
This thread isn't about me.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Do i understand that you believe in the bible and that hell does exist ?
Draka
Wonder Woman
I'm wondering, given the irrationality of the belief, why someone would honestly want to believe in a hell. I mean, do people think that they are just so right, so perfect that they would never end up there? Do they honestly think that it serves a vital purpose? That there are all these people in the world that deserve such a fate? Do they hope people go there? What is the motivation for believing in such a place?