ratikala
Istha gosthi
Many I tend to cross reference them I find each acharyas comentaries very interesting , ...but on a daily basis mostly ......Bhagavad Gita as it is , ....
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Thoughts about God's Forms
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Many I tend to cross reference them I find each acharyas comentaries very interesting , ...but on a daily basis mostly ......Bhagavad Gita as it is , ....
psychoslice
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Just as Christ said "follow me", I feel that Krishna meant when he said worship me, to worship the Source of all, and again whatever name or label you want to use for the Source, it was the Source animating through Krishna that people were drawn to, take away the Source that animated through Krishna and all you have is an ordinary man. I must correct myself here, the ordinary man is also animating the Source, but because he isn't Self Realized, the Source doesn't shine through, his ignorance is like a dark cloud hiding the Source.
That source is Brahman. Krishna is just one of many of the Lord's forms.
psychoslice
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Yes Brahman is another label, and Krishna is a reflection of that Brahman.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Never noticed that (because I use Krishna.com Gita). However, I do my own translation with the word meanings provided (and that way avoid the Prabhupada hyperbole).
For an advaitist Krishna is Brahman like everything else in the universe.
Well what can I say, this post is wrong on so many levels.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
That's fine, its only what comes to me at the time, its what I see, which is after all the most important thing, if we cannot be true to ourselves, we cannot be true to anyone.
@ratikala ji u are absolutely right...Sri Krushna is supreme brahman...doubt on terese part is also understandable as generally gurus give only nArAyaNa mantram not Krushna nor rAma mantram but that is only due to limited meaning exhibited by the names but yes Sri Krushna is supreme paramaatma and he has same qualities as the nArAyaNa tattwam(nArAyaNa is not a he/she/it it is what we refer as tattwam) and Sri Krushna is called pari poorna avatar meaning completely full
psychoslice
Veteran Member
I myself isn't a Hindu, but I do love the philosophy of Hinduism, I am sorry if I am polluting your thread, I will leave if you want me to ?.
It is your opinion man..
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Yes you are right, like all of us have an a opinion, for who can really understand that which is beyond knowledge ?.It is your opinion man..
psychoslice
Veteran Member
I remember once when I actually saw Krishna, he came to me in me room at night, he was beautiful and glowed magnifically, when I tried to reach out to him he disappeared, as soon as I stopped trying to reach out to him he appeared, that was a lesson for me, can you see the lesson ?.
#For Sri Vaishnavas who read this in a future time
Maha Vishnu exists in 5 types.
1. Paramapadam ( eternal non destructible realm where only muktas or only who are liberated reach.
2. In Milky ocean before brahma realm in this materialistic realm but only other devathas can reach...This is the place where devas like indra and nArada go asking for Maha Vishnu help from time to time.
3. He comes as avataras to lift the jIvas who are attached to temporary materialistic pleasures to help them in achieving eternal places and he has infinite avataras rose out his extreme compassion for jIvas as they forgot their true nature and running after temporary things.
4. He exists as antaryami that he exists in each and every particle in the universe making the forms not to collapse and giving them certain attributes...so he exists in your body and even in ants body but he will not get affected by your karmas( 4th chapter BG...NaMam karmani limpanthi) in a subtle form and hence body is called temple...
5. He exists in archa avatara in a deity form and is equally powerful as Sri Maha Vishnu in paramapadam...So if one worships near deity, dont think as deity is not talking or moving it is not listening or seeing..Vishnu does not need eyes to see or ears to hear or tongue to talk but for them to work he has to be behind them making them to work!
Krushna himself said that in this age of kali yuga he will not come as moving form like rAma but appear as archa moorthi in a deity form that we can decorate and worship ans he can grant even liberation from there...he says whatever form one makes like with a mud or wood or paper or gold or anything according to ones energy to worship him, he comes there and makes that form as him...so if one makes a vishnu form with mud, Vishnu takes that form and he can grant you anything from that little form itself..Not talking is a rule by a deity is a rule ordained by Vishnu himself...i think around 10 years back in india there were some reports like deities are talking or something coming out of deities, well then you can call bluff and indeed a bad sign.
He is complete with all guNas( qualities ) in all these 5 forms as said by vedas
ॐ पूर्णमदः पूर्णमिदं पूर्णात्पुर्णमुदच्यते
पूर्णश्य पूर्णमादाय पूर्णमेवावशिष्यते ॥
ॐ शान्तिः शान्तिः शान्तिः ॥
Om Puurnnam-Adah Puurnnam-Idam Puurnnaat-Purnnam-Udacyate
Puurnnashya Puurnnam-Aadaaya Puurnnam-Eva-Avashissyate ||
Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih ||
Adiyen Chinna Jeeyar Swamy daasa
Maha Vishnu exists in 5 types.
1. Paramapadam ( eternal non destructible realm where only muktas or only who are liberated reach.
2. In Milky ocean before brahma realm in this materialistic realm but only other devathas can reach...This is the place where devas like indra and nArada go asking for Maha Vishnu help from time to time.
3. He comes as avataras to lift the jIvas who are attached to temporary materialistic pleasures to help them in achieving eternal places and he has infinite avataras rose out his extreme compassion for jIvas as they forgot their true nature and running after temporary things.
4. He exists as antaryami that he exists in each and every particle in the universe making the forms not to collapse and giving them certain attributes...so he exists in your body and even in ants body but he will not get affected by your karmas( 4th chapter BG...NaMam karmani limpanthi) in a subtle form and hence body is called temple...
5. He exists in archa avatara in a deity form and is equally powerful as Sri Maha Vishnu in paramapadam...So if one worships near deity, dont think as deity is not talking or moving it is not listening or seeing..Vishnu does not need eyes to see or ears to hear or tongue to talk but for them to work he has to be behind them making them to work!
Krushna himself said that in this age of kali yuga he will not come as moving form like rAma but appear as archa moorthi in a deity form that we can decorate and worship ans he can grant even liberation from there...he says whatever form one makes like with a mud or wood or paper or gold or anything according to ones energy to worship him, he comes there and makes that form as him...so if one makes a vishnu form with mud, Vishnu takes that form and he can grant you anything from that little form itself..Not talking is a rule by a deity is a rule ordained by Vishnu himself...i think around 10 years back in india there were some reports like deities are talking or something coming out of deities, well then you can call bluff and indeed a bad sign.
He is complete with all guNas( qualities ) in all these 5 forms as said by vedas
ॐ पूर्णमदः पूर्णमिदं पूर्णात्पुर्णमुदच्यते
पूर्णश्य पूर्णमादाय पूर्णमेवावशिष्यते ॥
ॐ शान्तिः शान्तिः शान्तिः ॥
Om Puurnnam-Adah Puurnnam-Idam Puurnnaat-Purnnam-Udacyate
Puurnnashya Puurnnam-Aadaaya Puurnnam-Eva-Avashissyate ||
Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih ||
Adiyen Chinna Jeeyar Swamy daasa
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Beautiful, I wish I was born an Indian, its where I belong, maybe in my last life I was an Indian ?.#For Sri Vaishnavas who read this in a future time
Maha Vishnu exists in 5 types.
1. Paramapadam ( eternal non destructible realm where only muktas or only who are liberated reach.
2. In Milky ocean before brahma realm in this materialistic realm but only other devathas can reach...This is the place where devas like indra and nArada go asking for Maha Vishnu help from time to time.
3. He comes as avataras to lift the jIvas who are attached to temporary materialistic pleasures to help them in achieving eternal places and he has infinite avataras rose out his extreme compassion for jIvas as they forgot their true nature and running after temporary things.
4. He exists as antaryami that he exists in each and every particle in the universe making the forms not to collapse and giving them certain attributes...so he exists in your body and even in ants body but he will not get affected by your karmas( 4th chapter BG...NaMam karmani limpanthi) in a subtle form and hence body is called temple...
5. He exists in archa avatara in a deity form and is equally powerful as Sri Maha Vishnu in paramapadam...So if one worships near deity, dont think as deity is not talking or moving it is not listening or seeing..Vishnu does not need eyes to see or ears to hear or tongue to talk but for them to work he has to be behind them making them to work!
Krushna himself said that in this age of kali yuga he will not come as moving form like rAma but appear as archa moorthi in a deity form that we can decorate and worship ans he can grant even liberation from there...he says whatever form one makes like with a mud or wood or paper or gold or anything according to ones energy to worship him, he comes there and makes that form as him...so if one makes a vishnu form with mud, Vishnu takes that form and he can grant you anything from that little form itself..Not talking is a rule by a deity is a rule ordained by Vishnu himself...i think around 10 years back in india there were some reports like deities are talking or something coming out of deities, well then you can call bluff and indeed a bad sign.
He is complete with all guNas( qualities ) in all these 5 forms as said by vedas
ॐ पूर्णमदः पूर्णमिदं पूर्णात्पुर्णमुदच्यते
पूर्णश्य पूर्णमादाय पूर्णमेवावशिष्यते ॥
ॐ शान्तिः शान्तिः शान्तिः ॥
Om Puurnnam-Adah Puurnnam-Idam Puurnnaat-Purnnam-Udacyate
Puurnnashya Puurnnam-Aadaaya Puurnnam-Eva-Avashissyate ||
Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih ||
Adiyen Chinna Jeeyar Swamy daasa
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Here is a painting I did of Krishna, and also many more.
So which form is supreme then? Vishnu or Krishna? I have seen Gaudiya artwork that depict Krishna as higher than Vishnu.
ratikala
Istha gosthi
namaskaram ji
Prabhu ji , ...I am touched by your love of Krsna , you do not have to leave , ...please stay , if you love the philosophy then by staying you will learn more , it is just that it is not so helpful for any of us to have personal opinions about the nature of Krsna , if we realy want to know Krsna we should all addopt the same humility as Arjuna displays , ...and after reading Krsnas words (eleventh chapter) we should also fall at Sri Krsna's feet and ask for just one tiniest glimpse of the divine sight Krsna granted Arjuna , .....
but if we want that divine sight we should be prepared not just to show humility by outward signs if worship , we should also give up all forms of opinion and come to the realisation that whilst blinded by Maya we canot see Krsna in his divine form , we can only follow the sages and acharyas who have this divine sight , from them we will learn that although Krsna appeared in human like form , he is infact none other than the supreme , therefore if we wish to understand the true purport of the Gita we need to put down all opinion and alow Krsna to reveal himself , if we read the Gita looking for it to confirm our beleifs we will remain stuck in the same ignorance for the entire of this life , but those like Arjuna who fall at the feet of Krsna asking him to reveal his true nature will surely come to know him .
Prabhu ji , ...I am touched by your love of Krsna , you do not have to leave , ...please stay , if you love the philosophy then by staying you will learn more , it is just that it is not so helpful for any of us to have personal opinions about the nature of Krsna , if we realy want to know Krsna we should all addopt the same humility as Arjuna displays , ...and after reading Krsnas words (eleventh chapter) we should also fall at Sri Krsna's feet and ask for just one tiniest glimpse of the divine sight Krsna granted Arjuna , .....
but if we want that divine sight we should be prepared not just to show humility by outward signs if worship , we should also give up all forms of opinion and come to the realisation that whilst blinded by Maya we canot see Krsna in his divine form , we can only follow the sages and acharyas who have this divine sight , from them we will learn that although Krsna appeared in human like form , he is infact none other than the supreme , therefore if we wish to understand the true purport of the Gita we need to put down all opinion and alow Krsna to reveal himself , if we read the Gita looking for it to confirm our beleifs we will remain stuck in the same ignorance for the entire of this life , but those like Arjuna who fall at the feet of Krsna asking him to reveal his true nature will surely come to know him .
Yes Vishnu is definitely higher than Krushna that sense..Iskcon has a wrong view saying that Sri Krushna is the origin of universe, yes that is correct in informal sense as nArAyaNa is vishnu who incarnated as Krushna, transitively you can say that but Iskcon says Krushna is the origin in literal sense, that is wrong and vedas dont accept it , vedas say nArAyaNa is only origin of entire universe..so you are correct in that sense but Krushna has same powers and qualities as nArAyaNa tattwam and is complete in that regard. In a way you are correct as nArAyaNa is start and Krushna came after. I am also in learning phase
Adiyen Chinna Jeeyar Swamy daasa