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Threads about Atheism and what it is.
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Whatever turns you on, bye
No religion is our leading religion, as per the last cencus. Over 30%, with Catholics coming on second at about 22%.
Shushersbedamned
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That doesn't make them atheists.
yes... we can color lies any color we want... it is still a lieYes, I understand that it's good to keep things light. But our conscience luckily doesn't let us get away with "white lies" or "light untruth" anymore
That would be fantastic. I believe "All religions are pathways to God. And Atheism and humanism are not excluded". Because all have "Love" in them. And therefore I believe "There is one religion, the religion of Love". And I know this truth also:"Judge one of God's children and I judge God".
I am glad we have the same position here
Although, in my view, not all pathways are pathways to God, I'm not God. Thus, as you said (paraphrased if I can take that liberty), "Don't judge people because you are judging God and usurping His authority and position as God".
As the Beatles sang "All you need is love, la la la la la, all you need is love, love, love is all you need"
I'm sure that is the case many times. Perhaps that knife cuts both ways?
Im sure it does.
There are a lot of knives out there.
A lot with one edge sharpened, am\and some with both edges.
Andddd....some are not too sharp, some need to be sharpened, some are like scalpels.
Whether one is a believer or not, whether one is a worshipper or not, `Godless` or not,
one does not have the authority to belittle another beliefs or the lack of same.
The lack of `evidence` in the presenting of `truths` is the prime culpret in arguments in the `proving` the existance of any and all `Gods`. The lack of transparancy does not prove obliqueness, it just means un-proven. Now.....I don't believe in any `Gods` of any religion, but I can't prove anything to oppose the possibility of any existance to a `god` of any sort of religion.
One of my favorites is:
" An Ye Harm None Do What Ye Will".... forgiving will be outside of any critique,
but the proven `Gods`.
NuffStuff
A lot with one edge sharpened, am\and some with both edges.
Andddd....some are not too sharp, some need to be sharpened, some are like scalpels.
Whether one is a believer or not, whether one is a worshipper or not, `Godless` or not,
one does not have the authority to belittle another beliefs or the lack of same.
The lack of `evidence` in the presenting of `truths` is the prime culpret in arguments in the `proving` the existance of any and all `Gods`. The lack of transparancy does not prove obliqueness, it just means un-proven. Now.....I don't believe in any `Gods` of any religion, but I can't prove anything to oppose the possibility of any existance to a `god` of any sort of religion.
One of my favorites is:
" An Ye Harm None Do What Ye Will".... forgiving will be outside of any critique,
but the proven `Gods`.
NuffStuff
Ponder This
Well-Known Member
Not sure why they care.
Something about 'loving thy neighbor as thyself' perhaps?
I agree that there are a lot of knives out there.
You want to try and have a meaningful discussion and sometimes people view it as a personal attack against them. Instead of trying to understand, they start stabbing with their knives.
For example, this whole thread about what is atheism.... well I've seen this sort of discussion keeps going round and round on the RF forums and it goes no where. It doesn't lead to any sort of enlightenment. The 'atheists' pull out their knives and say, "Stop attacking me and my lack of world view."
And theists say, "I want to have a meaningful discussion about the proposition that 'Gods do not exist'"
And they just say, "There is no discussion. You don't know what you are talking about. Stop attacking me!"
And a person says, "I'm just trying to understand this idea."
And the 'atheist' says, "STOP ATTACKING ME AND MY LACK OF BELIEFS."
It's just an attitude problem when everything you say is viewed as a personal attack. So I don't think this 'problem' is going away. People are going to continue asking questions and 'atheists' are going to continue pounding out the whole 'lack of belief' mantra.
We can all benefit from understanding what a 'debate' is. In a 'debate', people take opposing positions such as:
'God does not exist.'
'God does exist.'
People who say, 'I lack a position' aren't engaging in debate and they should not pretend that they are.
And yes theists do things to derail debate too, but this thread is about atheism specifically. I don't think 'atheists' realize how the 'lack of belief' mantra is derailing debates and discussions here on RF.
They say there is no evidence for god or gods, which is absolutely true and the atheist position.
Sorry if following the evidence upsets your debate
Good grief.
You're making an assertion about 'atheists' like you know them so well, despite them not being a homogenuous group.
Meanwhile I'm an atheist living in a secular country.
According to a 2004 study, 25% of Australians believe in no God's.
(Norris, Pippa and Ronald Inglehart. 2004. Sacred and Secular: Religion and Politics Worldwide. New York, NY: Cambridge University Press)
That number would not have shrunk since then.
Shushersbedamned
Well-Known Member
Yes but when they were asked that question how was phrased?
Wait...you doubt many Australians are atheists?
Why would you? Have you ever been here?
The cencus question simply asks what religion you are, with multiple choices provided, including 'no religion'. The respondant can also either not answer the question, or enter their own in words.
Link to the form here, refer question 19.
https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&...FjACegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw3btYHM7FQK6fHSkrSo3sLC
It's just that so many people abuse what "lack of belief" means, that we still need to argue about it.
Cacotopia
Let's go full Trottle
Apologes
Active Member
"Oh what's that? People are writing detailed responses to what I have said? Better post a random YouTube video which doesn't even discuss the topic of the thread. Yeah, that'll teach them!"
Cacotopia
Let's go full Trottle
I guess you didn't watch it, typical theist behavior, responding to a video they never bothered to watch. Since the video in question very specifically describes what atheism is. and what it is not specifically.
Bravo, *slow clap*
I think I know what the hell this entire thread is about since I started the damn thing.
Apologes
Active Member
I watched most RationalityRules videos (recommendation from a far more solid atheist YouTuber CosmicSkeptic) including this one and in it he analyses the charge that atheism is a religion and goes on to point out the elements that a religion ought to have and that atheism lacks.
Your thread, on the other hand, was an off-shoot of an earlier thread and you deny that atheism can be construed as a proposition "There is no God" choosing to limit it to negative atheism and fallaciously ascribing said proposition to anti-theism which is absurd in it's own right as anti-theism has to do with hostility towards theism and not necessarily the truth of it.
Even more telling is your insistence to paint all theists as intellectually inapt by projecting my alleged ignorant reply to the group as a whole. Slow clap indeed.