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Three Days and Three Nights

rosends

rosends

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I've said it before, but I'm just reiterating. Judaism doesn't have "2 sabbaths." If the gospels refer to 2 sabbaths in one seek then that is proof that the gospels are wrong. In Judaism, the term "sabbath" is used to refer to a variety of different concepts. It applies to the 7th year, the 7th day, the first day of Passover (rabbinically), the day of atonement and possibly other stuff. But not to a day before Passover.
 
sooda

sooda

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rosends said:
I've said it before, but I'm just reiterating. Judaism doesn't have "2 sabbaths." If the gospels refer to 2 sabbaths in one seek then that is proof that the gospels are wrong. In Judaism, the term "sabbath" is used to refer to a variety of different concepts. It applies to the 7th year, the 7th day, the first day of Passover (rabbinically), the day of atonement and possibly other stuff. But not to a day before Passover.
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Very confusing. I have asked Jewish friends about 2 Sabbaths on Passover and they look cross-eyed at me.
 
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lostwanderingsoul

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sooda said:
Very confusing. I have asked Jewish friends about 2 Sabbaths on Passover and they look cross-eyed at me.
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Weii you really need to ask that Jewish friend if the Passover sabbath is different from the weekly sabbath. The weekly sabbath is always on Saturday but the Passover sabbath can be on any day of the week If you can't understand that then you can't understand anything about the three days and three nights.
 
sooda

sooda

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lostwanderingsoul said:
Weii you really need to ask that Jewish friend if the Passover sabbath is different from the weekly sabbath. The weekly sabbath is always on Saturday but the Passover sabbath can be on any day of the week If you can't understand that then you can't understand anything about the three days and three nights.
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I didn't say friend... I said friends.. I live around a Jewish majority.

Passover is not a Sabbath. It is the day of preparation for the High Sabbath that is the first day of the (seven day) Feast of Unleavened Bread.¹ Y’shua died on Passover, but was removed from the cross before sunset, which began the High Sabbath, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.
The Two Sabbaths of Passover
www.thewayofthemessiah.org/tsp.html
 
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lostwanderingsoul

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rosends said:
I've said it before, but I'm just reiterating. Judaism doesn't have "2 sabbaths." If the gospels refer to 2 sabbaths in one seek then that is proof that the gospels are wrong. In Judaism, the term "sabbath" is used to refer to a variety of different concepts. It applies to the 7th year, the 7th day, the first day of Passover (rabbinically), the day of atonement and possibly other stuff. But not to a day before Passover.
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Can you please help? The weekly sabbath is always on Saturday. ( Friday sunset to Saturday sunset ) But the Sabbath for the first day of Passover can be any day of the week. So it would be possible for the first day of Passover to be on a Thursday and then the weekly sabbath on Saturday would mean there are two sabbaths a few days apart. If this is not correct please help explain. We really need information from someone in the Jewish religion. Thanks.
 
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lostwanderingsoul

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sooda said:
I didn't say friend... I said friends.. I live around a Jewish majority.

Passover is not a Sabbath. It is the day of preparation for the High Sabbath that is the first day of the (seven day) Feast of Unleavened Bread.¹ Y’shua died on Passover, but was removed from the cross before sunset, which began the High Sabbath, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.
The Two Sabbaths of Passover
www.thewayofthemessiah.org/tsp.html
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If you really read the article you mention you will see that it says Jesus was put on the cross on Wednesday not Friday. So why do you keep insisting otherwise?
 
rosends

rosends

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lostwanderingsoul said:
Can you please help? The weekly sabbath is always on Saturday. ( Friday sunset to Saturday sunset ) But the Sabbath for the first day of Passover can be any day of the week. So it would be possible for the first day of Passover to be on a Thursday and then the weekly sabbath on Saturday would mean there are two sabbaths a few days apart. If this is not correct please help explain. We really need information from someone in the Jewish religion. Thanks.
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In Judaism, there is one verse which refers to the second day of Passover as "the day after the Sabbath." The biblical text is Lev 23:25 and the rabbinic explanation and proof is in Tractate Menachot, 65b. This makes the first day of Passover the referred to day as "sabbath" though it doesn't mean that the first of Passover is a sabbath and other than in this very specific context, in order to set the date of the Feast of Weeks, the first day of Passover is never called a sabbath. Leviticus 23:15
 
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lostwanderingsoul

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rosends said:
In Judaism, there is one verse which refers to the second day of Passover as "the day after the Sabbath." The biblical text is Lev 23:25 and the rabbinic explanation and proof is in Tractate Menachot, 65b. This makes the first day of Passover the referred to day as "sabbath" though it doesn't mean that the first of Passover is a sabbath and other than in this very specific context, in order to set the date of the Feast of Weeks, the first day of Passover is never called a sabbath. Leviticus 23:15
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Thanks. Let mr just ask one more thing. Would that first or second day of Passover, or the Day of Preparation, ever be called a "high day"? You are a big help and I appreciate it a lot.
 
rosends

rosends

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lostwanderingsoul said:
Thanks. Let mr just ask one more thing. Would that first or second day of Passover, or the Day of Preparation, ever be called a "high day"? You are a big help and I appreciate it a lot.
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I don't know what a "high day" is and I can't think of any remotely comparable concept in Judaism. The days of awe (the new year and the day of atonement) are called, in English "High Holy days", but that term is not sourced in anything biblical or Jewish. The Hebrew word "gadol" which means "large" is used in prayer to refer to the Sabbath. There is also no concept of a "day of preparation" before Passover. There are days on which one does preparation but there is no codified Day of Preparation. The nearest equivalent would be the 3 days before the feast of weeks.
 
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lostwanderingsoul

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rosends said:
I don't know what a "high day" is and I can't think of any remotely comparable concept in Judaism. The days of awe (the new year and the day of atonement) are called, in English "High Holy days", but that term is not sourced in anything biblical or Jewish. The Hebrew word "gadol" which means "large" is used in prayer to refer to the Sabbath. There is also no concept of a "day of preparation" before Passover. There are days on which one does preparation but there is no codified Day of Preparation. The nearest equivalent would be the 3 days before the feast of weeks.
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Thank you so much. This is very helpful. There is something in the New Testament Bible that mentions that the day after Jesus died was called a "high day" and it was also a Sabbath. I am not sure where the English translation came from and hoped you could shed some light on it.
 
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lostwanderingsoul

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rosends said:
I don't know what a "high day" is and I can't think of any remotely comparable concept in Judaism. The days of awe (the new year and the day of atonement) are called, in English "High Holy days", but that term is not sourced in anything biblical or Jewish. The Hebrew word "gadol" which means "large" is used in prayer to refer to the Sabbath. There is also no concept of a "day of preparation" before Passover. There are days on which one does preparation but there is no codified Day of Preparation. The nearest equivalent would be the 3 days before the feast of weeks.
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So sorry to ask one last thing. Have you ever heard of the first day of unleavened bread being called anything like a sabbath or a high day or high holy day? Or can you think of any other words that might be used? I promise not to bother you again.
 
rosends

rosends

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lostwanderingsoul said:
So sorry to ask one last thing. Have you ever heard of the first day of unleavened bread being called anything like a sabbath or a high day or high holy day? Or can you think of any other words that might be used? I promise not to bother you again.
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It is no bother. There are biblical terms for a holiday which distinguish it from a sabbath (the holidays are called "holy convocation" mikra kodesh - look in Lev 23:4 and 7 for examples). The sabbath (and some other things -- this gets a bit technical) are also called "shabbat shabbaton" a sabbath of sabbaths.

Interestingly, the sabbath before whenever Passover starts is called "Shabbat HaGadol", the big sabbath, but this has no explicit textual-biblical source though it is derived from biblical events
Shabbat Hagadol
 
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lostwanderingsoul

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rosends said:
It is no bother. There are biblical terms for a holiday which distinguish it from a sabbath (the holidays are called "holy convocation" mikra kodesh - look in Lev 23:4 and 7 for examples). The sabbath (and some other things -- this gets a bit technical) are also called "shabbat shabbaton" a sabbath of sabbaths.

Interestingly, the sabbath before whenever Passover starts is called "Shabbat HaGadol", the big sabbath, but this has no explicit textual-biblical source though it is derived from biblical events
Shabbat Hagadol
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You are most kind. I do not know if you have an interest in Christian relious beliefs. The reason for all of this is a verse in the book of John chapter 19 verse 31. It is talking about the day Jesus died and says it was "the preparation" and bodies should not remain on the cross on the sabbath "for that sabbath day was a high day". While most Christians believe Jesus died on Friday, some use this verse to argue that it was not Friday but a different day of the week. If it could be shown that the first day of unleavened bread was maybe on Thursday then Jesus may have died on Wednasday. And since he was supposed to be in the tomb for three days and three nights, that would be possible from Wednesday to Sunday but not from Friday to Sunday. Again, if this is not of interest to you I am sorry. I was just hoping you had some information that might help clear up some of it. Thanks again.
 
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