Thy Kingdom Come, Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.

[agtarpley]

Imagine a world where everyone is equal. Such a world is the opposite of a kingdom or hierarchy.

A good parent encourages their child's independence, does not try to control them forever. A better world is one where everyone has a say in how their lives are run, not an eternal heirarchy.

I have been examining this aspect and feel I am making progress with seeds of ideas. I'd like to sort out further. I don't think we can map it all out under this sun. Life is also real-time dynamics and we don't know exactly what Prior man went through to get us here... so to speak. Or if a Next Generation Civilization is invariably a Version 2.0 sort of advancement. But it is fascinating to consider. It also seems to help suss out our core issues on Earth... through the process. It took generations of willingly living under the rule of deception... until Jesus set the captives free... to produce the evolved Hubris Nature. It is something else now in this day and age.

I must point out... I am thankful for the Computers and Spell Check features that exist in this hot mess of a hellhole. :}

WIP & AD

If you're interested in reading the book, holler back for a link to the transcript.

 

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Not with thousands of conflicting Christian sects.

That is the result of people not being loyal to Jesus, and that they don't remain in word of Jesus. If people would not replace what Jesus said, with their own doctrines, there would be only one group of disciples of Jesus ("Christians"). Unfortunately many don't even know what Jesus told.

The commandment Christ gave was to love one another yet Christians have ignored this command and become divided over theological disputes. Where does the world turn to when each sect is saying ‘here is Christ’?

I think you have a good point. It is very sad that many have gone astray.

... Is the kingdom of God even within a disunited Christianity when each sect accuses the other of being false?

I believe everyone who keeps Jesus as the king, is part of the kingdom. But, obviously if person keeps Jesus as his king, he is also loyal to him, and doesn't ignore what he said and doesn't revoke what Jesus said.

 

[ppp]

I envisage a global system, backed by national and local levels of authority that is ruled by humanity, via democratic elections. I see that system will draw on the legislative capacity of the Spirit in matter's related to Law and moral conduct.

That would be a theocracy. No thanks.

 

[Balthazzar]

This prayer would have been offered trillions of times.

First What is it asking for?

An individuals answer to that question, will clarify if the next questions are relevant.

Has Jesus acheive this?
Has Muhammad achieved this?
Has any past Faith yet Acheived this?

I have my thoughts.

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Regards Tony

The only prayer I've ever felt comfortable saying. On earth as it is in heaven? Safety and prosperity I would presume. I would suggest that some have entered into that reality, while others have not. It may be the schism effect in play between locations on earth, both being states of mind and life experiences, Haven and the lesser desired aspects of Hel.

It's a decent prayer as far as I can tell and I understand why Jesus suggested we pray this way, being unwilling that any just perish.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

That would be a theocracy. No thanks.

Since when is a theocracy based on a democratically elected representation at the grass roots, national and international level?

You vision of this is clouded by an old world order disfunctional theocracy.

Regards Tony

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

That would be a theocracy. No thanks.

I agree with you.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The only prayer I've ever felt comfortable saying. On earth as it is in heaven? Safety and prosperity I would presume. I would suggest that some have entered into that reality, while others have not. It may be the schism effect in play between locations on earth, both being states of mind and life experiences, Haven and the lesser desired aspects of Hel.

It's a decent prayer as far as I can tell and I understand why Jesus suggested we pray this way, being unwilling that any just perish.

I see If we structure our lives on the virtues and morals that Jesus taught and practiced, then the Kingdom of God is on earth as it is in heaven.

It is a snowball effect, this way of life attracts other souls, when we forgo that life, then we start to repel.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Since when is a theocracy based on a democratically elected representation at the grass roots, national and international level?

You vision of this is clouded by an old world order disfunctional theocracy.

Regards Tony

I agree with you.

I offer the same reply.

Regards Tony

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I offer the same reply.

Regards Tony

I'm not buying what you're trying to sell. And while I can't speak for @ppp, I doubt that he is either.

 

[ppp]

Since when is a theocracy based on a democratically elected representation at the grass roots, national and international level?

When the majority can bring legislative, physical and/or economic force against the minority in order to force them to adhere to the religion of that majority.

You vision of this is clouded by an old world order disfunctional theocracy.

You are the one dreaming about foisting your religious beliefs on non believers. Which is precisely the old world order dysfunctional theocracy. And the current world order dysfunctional theocracy. And the future world order dysfunctional theocracy.

What you envision is religious force.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I'm not buying what you're trying to sell. And while I can't speak for @ppp, I doubt that he is either.

It's not for sale and I have no wish to sell it to you.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

When the majority can bring legislative, physical and/or economic force against the minority in order to force them to adhere to the religion of that majority.

You are the one dreaming about foisting your religious beliefs on non believers. Which is precisely the old world order dysfunctional theocracy. And the current world order dysfunctional theocracy. And the future world order dysfunctional theocracy.

What you envision is religious force.

I will just say I am very happy that the stubborn missinformed attitudes of this age will fade away.

To your last statement, well that was just absolute rubbish.

Regards Tony

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

It's not for sale and I have no wish to sell it to you.

Regards Tony

It was a figure of speech. What I meant was that I don't accept or believe what you were saying.

 

[ppp]

I will just say I am very happy that the stubborn missinformed attitudes of this age will fade away.

To your last statement, well that was just absolute rubbish.

Regards Tony

All that you said is, Nuh-uh

 

[TransmutingSoul]

All that you said is, Nuh-uh

So ppp offers to possess a knowledge greater than Baha'u'llah and all the Messengers.
Nuh-uh
I also offer that is an eternal Nuh-uh, Regards Tony

 

[ppp]

So ppp offers to possess a knowledge greater than Baha'u'llah and all the Messengers.
Nuh-uh
I also offer that is an eternal Nuh-uh, Regards Tony

This is the part where you distract from being called out on your hollow denials, and the lack of considered or cogent content in your claims by attempting ridicule. Clever, incisive and devastating ridicule, no doubt.

The average high school graduate possesses a greater knowledge than the people that you claim to have been Baha'u'llah or messengers.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The average high school graduate possesses a greater knowledge than the people that you claim to have been Baha'u'llah or messengers.

Not a statement of fact, but a statement of a narrow relative view.

All the best, but I must say less. Regards Tony

 

[ppp]

Not a statement of fact, but a statement of a narrow relative view.

Yes. You are just an ordinary human with an ordinary relative narrow view.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Yes. You are just an ordinary human with an ordinary relative narrow view.

Such stimulating conversation you have brought to the OP. Definitely naught to do with Thy Kingdom Come! To think I can still be drawn into such exchanges, my bad.

Stay happy, can I say less, tried many times, have to try harder. Tony

 

[ppp]

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Such stimulating conversation you have brought to the OP. Definitely naught to do with Thy Kingdom Come! To think I can still be drawn into such exchanges, my bad.

I am happy to discuss your claims and whether or not you are capable of knowing what your claim to know, any time you find yourself able to do more than make bald assertions and rise above copy/pasted quotes. It is you, @TransmutingSoul who fusses when I don't accept one of your statements just because you make it it in a manly and forceful manner.

Why should I take Baháʼu'lláh as anything more than a one of many guys through out history (and on my local street corners) who thinks, or claims to think, that he has divine revelations?