Thy Kingdom Come, Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.

[TransmutingSoul]

Why should I take Baháʼu'lláh as anything more than a one of many guys through out history (and on my local street corners) who thinks, or claims to think, that he has divine revelations?

I would offer that is entirely up to you do decide.

I would offer the future of humanity rests upon such willingness to find out if that is indeed a good and viable choice.

To dismiss the possibility without a just determination, is why the world has now reached its current levels of conflict

I can only offer, all the best, Regards Tony

 

[ppp]

I would offer that is entirely up to you do decide.

I would offer the future of humanity rests upon such willingness to find out if that is indeed a good and viable choice.

To dismiss the possibility without a just determination, is why the world has now reached its current levels of conflict

So that is just cowardice and evasion. I asked, Why should I take Baháʼu'lláh as anything more than a one of many guys through out history (and on my local street corners) who thinks, or claims to think, that he has divine revelations?

I did not ask you about what is up to me.

 

[ppp]

I would offer that is entirely up to you do decide.

I would offer the future of humanity rests upon such willingness to find out if that is indeed a good and viable choice.

To dismiss the possibility without a just determination, is why the world has now reached its current levels of conflict

So that is just cowardice and evasion. I asked, Why should I take Baháʼu'lláh as anything more than a one of many guys through out history (and on my local street corners) who thinks, or claims to think, that he has divine revelations?

I did not ask you about what is up to me.

I do not take you seriously because you do not have the courage of your convictions.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So that is just cowardice and evasion. I asked, Why should I take Baháʼu'lláh as anything more than a one of many guys through out history (and on my local street corners) who thinks, or claims to think, that he has divine revelations?

I did not ask you about what is up to me.

That was 100% not cowardice and evasion, ask yourself, why would I talk to a person that chooses such responses, it is because of strength and resilience, in spite of what I know some responses will be, and will continue to be.

So, if you choose to read the following, you will see that I was only offering what has already been given to us on this exact topic. Why will some choose God, and some will not, and who is responsible for such choices?


"....Suffer not yourselves to be wrapt in the dense veils of your selfish desires, inasmuch as I have perfected in every one of you My creation, so that the excellence of My handiwork may be fully revealed unto men. It follows, therefore, that every man hath been, and will continue to be, able of himself to appreciate the Beauty of God, the Glorified. Had he not been endowed with such a capacity, how could he be called to account for his failure? If, in the Day when all the peoples of the earth will be gathered together, any man should, whilst standing in the presence of God, be asked: "Wherefore hast thou disbelieved in My Beauty and turned away from My Self," and if such a man should reply and say: "Inasmuch as all men have erred, and none hath been found willing to turn his face to the Truth, I, too, following their example, have grievously failed to recognize the Beauty of the Eternal," such a plea will, assuredly, be rejected. For the faith of no man can be conditioned by any one except himself. GLEANINGS FROM THE WRITINGS OF BAHA'U'LLAH

Thus what I offered is pure and honest sound and Loving advice.

So when you honestly want to know, then I guess our discussions can become more fruitful for both of us.

Regards Tony

 

[ppp]

That was 100% not cowardice and evasion, ask yourself

This is just more evasion and cowardice. Deal with the question asked, or slink off and gripe at someone else.
Why should I take Baháʼu'lláh as anything more than a one of many guys through out history (and on my local street corners) who thinks, or claims to think, that he has divine revelations?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

This is just more evasion and cowardice. Deal with the question asked, or slink off and gripe at someone else.
Why should I take Baháʼu'lláh as anything more than a one of many guys through out history (and on my local street corners) who thinks, or claims to think, that he has divine revelations?

Don't, it is not my concern.

Goodbye, all the best, Regards Tony

 

[ppp]

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Don't, it is not my concern.

That is just some evasive BS. You continually and repeatedly assert and insist that Baháʼu'lláh is something more than just another guy claiming that he has the least clue as to what he is talking about. You continually and repeatedly assert and insist that people on the forum should take him the least bit seriously. From both your current posts, and your 21,461 posts on this forum, it is clear that you are concerned with people taking Baháʼu'lláh seriously.

 

[CG Didymus]

It may be you are not able to envision a world where Faith is a way of life. Where the word Theocracy has absolutely no meaning.

One is not able to paint the future with outdated past concepts.

Regards Tony

I'm not sure, but I think in ancient times a whole empire belonged to the same religion. And their King was one of the Gods.

 

[CG Didymus]

I see that is your own issue. You are pulling the worst example of theocracy available and trying to frame a future with it, a future that will in no way embrace such a degradation of religion.

Regards Tony

The Baha'i leaders are just men, imperfect men. Now vote them into a position of power over all the people on the planet and see what happens.

 

[CG Didymus]

Exactly on your final paragraph Tony, in my view in a future Baha'i theocracy Baha'i laws would be the law of the nations or the law of the land.

Thus non-Baha'i would be compelled to follow a subset of the rules of your religion in my view whether they chose to be Baha'i or not.

This is from the Universal House of Justice (27th April 1995)
'The Bahá’ís will be called upon to assume the reins of government when they will come to constitute the majority of the population in a given country, and even then their participation in political affairs is bound to be limited in scope unless they obtain a similar majority in some other countries as well.

(19 November 1939)​

The Bahá’ís must remain non-partisan in all political affairs. In the distant future, however, when the majority of a country have become Bahá’ís then it will lead to the establishment of a Bahá’í State.

(19 April 1941)'

'These phrases are “Bahá’í theocracy” and “humanity will emerge from that immature civilization in which church and state are separate.”'

Source: https://www.bahai.org/library/autho...ages/19950427_001/19950427_001.xhtml?59532be8

I've asked the Baha'is so many times... Are their religious laws practical? What's going to happen when they try and enforce their sexual morals on everybody? What's going to happen when they outlaw booze and drugs?

What are Baha'is going to do with people that like to drink and take drugs and that have all kinds of sex with all kinds of people? Put them in jail? Pray for them? And sometimes, it's the religious people and their leaders that are doing those things.

 

[CG Didymus]

It's not for sale and I have no wish to sell it to you.

Hmmm? How come Baha'is can tell when the Bible is being figurative, but they can't tell when a person is speaking figuratively in a post?

 

[CG Didymus]

I personally see that both Christianity and Islam, at some time during their rise to the midday of their influence, did in some ways bring God's Kingdom to earth in that age.

And when do you see this "midday" of their influence having happened? And who were the religious leaders during that time?

 

[CG Didymus]

What people do not grasp properly is that religion is about love, harmony, acceptance of all, service to humanity.

In theory or in practice? 'Cause it sure doesn't seem to be happening much in practice.

 

[CG Didymus]

I have bolded the relevant text Tony, in my view it confirms what I'm saying.

So the number of Baha'i hypothetically reaches 51% population, the nation then democratically adopts the Baha'i law as its state law - and you have your voluntary and democratic acceptance (By the Nation-state). The only problem becomes that 49% of the population did not agree to Baha'i theocratic law being foisted upon it in my view.

Hence it has the problem that all theocratic religions pose when they are in the majority view - the problem of laws being based on the majority's superstition instead of based on demonstrable sources of harm in my view.

Merely saying it will be completely different to every other theocracy is an empty assertion as I see it.

Yeah, that's going to be a religion imposing their "Godly" laws on everyone else... For their own good, of course.

 

[CG Didymus]

Since when is a theocracy based on a democratically elected representation at the grass roots, national and international level?

What would you call a form of government that rules by what it believes to be God's laws and has leaders appointed or elected in the way it was prescribed in the Scriptures of that religion? A religioacracy?

 

[ChatwithGod]

"Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." This prayer seeks God's peace and justice to prevail on earth. We're asking for God's perfect peace and love to be as real here on earth as it is in heaven.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I'm not sure, but I think in ancient times a whole empire belonged to the same religion. And their King was one of the Gods.

That's not the future CG.

Regards Tony

 

[ppp]

Don't, it is not my concern.

Goodbye, all the best, Regards Tony

And as ever you try to hide your lack of substance and your inability to speak to the claims of your marketing slogans behind schoolyard ridicule. The average modern day high school graduate possesses more knowledge than any of your messengers. So, nyah.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The Baha'i leaders are just men, imperfect men. Now vote them into a position of power over all the people on the planet and see what happens.

Again CG, that is a very narrow and restricted vision of past practices trying to paint a dark picture of a light filled and glorious future. I do not need to supply any details to such statements, just point out the lack of the willingness to contemplate the possibilities of the good we have inherent in each of us.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

And when do you see this "midday" of their influence having happened? And who were the religious leaders during that time?

Many scholars have graced the literature with these answers CG. If intersection, undertake a search. Like I did in the past a few times.

Islam had many Scholars coming from many places to learn and prosper from the progress in knowledge brought about by the Revelation of Muhammad, which they took back to progress other Nations. Basically assisting many out of the darkness of the times.

Regards Tony