Tired of being called a sinner?

[TheAceOfKnaves]

Here's what you don't (won't) get, Know the Truth; the issue isn't whether or not we're all sinners. the issue is; do you have the right to point the finger at someone else and say "sinner".

You're not the doctor.

You're just another sick shmuck like the rest of us. And if you have some obsessive need to point out other people's lack of perfection, it most likely indicates that your disease is more advanced than most.

But, do you have an objection to someone pointing out that fact to you, in a loving and gentle way, if they believe that they are helping you? Would that still make you as sad, or angry, or any other emotion that causes? Because I am a Christian, and I don't think that pointing and abruptly saying someone is a sinner is doing anyone any good, either.

 

[Know the Truth]

With posts like this, it's no surprise you have 54 total posts and yet no frubals.

Those frubals and a dollar will get you a hot cup of coffee in eternity. Do you want something agreeable or do you want the truth.?

 

[Sunstone]

"Sin" is a concept specific to certain religions. I don't subscribe to those religions and consequently I don't see myself or anyone else as a "sinner".

Having said that, I have nothing against others believing whatever they want to believe about "sin". If someone wants to believe there is such a thing, that's fine with me. But I should add, there seems to be a difference between someone who believes in sin, and someone who goes out of their way to tell others they are sinners. I have been on this rock 52 years, and I have yet to meet someone who goes out of their way to tell other people they are sinners who themselves is not in some profound way messed up and at least partly dysfunctional. That at least has been my experience.

 

[Comicaze247]

But, do you have an objection to someone pointing out that fact to you, in a loving and gentle way, if they believe that they are helping you? Would that still make you as sad, or angry, or any other emotion that causes? Because I am a Christian, and I don't think that pointing and abruptly saying someone is a sinner is doing anyone any good, either.

It all depends on the context. Like those people who hold up signs saying "Turn or burn" and pointing fingers at everybody, saying they're going to hell, THEY'RE annoying. I've heard many of them even claim "I'm holy" and "I'm sin free". I just get a laugh out of them now.

 

[challupa]

"Sin" is a concept specific to certain religions. I don't subscribe to those religions and consequently I don't see myself or anyone else as a "sinner".

Having said that, I have nothing against others believing whatever they want to believe about "sin". If someone wants to believe there is such a thing, that's fine with me. But I should add, there seems to be a difference between someone who believes in sin, and someone who goes out of their way to tell others they are sinners. I have been on this rock 52 years, and I have yet to meet someone who goes out of their way to tell other people they are sinners who themselves is not in some profound way messed up and at least partly dysfunctional. That at least has been my experience.

Yes and depending on the religion, the sins can change.

 

[Quagmire]

But, do you have an objection to someone pointing out that fact to you, in a loving and gentle way, if they believe that they are helping you? Would that still make you as sad, or angry, or any other emotion that causes?

Put it this way; if there's a need to point it out to me, pointing it out to me probably wouldn't do any good.

Because I am a Christian, and I don't think that pointing and abruptly saying someone is a sinner is doing anyone any good, either.

Good for you. :yes:

 

[Magic Man]

Those frubals and a dollar will get you a hot cup of coffee in eternity. Do you want something agreeable or do you want the truth.?

The point is that, whether or not you're right, no one is going to listen to a post like that, with the tone you take. I already know the truth, and that's a false dichotomy. You can be truthful and agreeable. It wasn't the veracity of that post that I had a problem with, it was the tone. If you calm it down a little, you'll get a lot farther with people.

 

[Magic Man]

Dude, God says we ALL miss the mark.

Yes, we know what your God has said, and we don't care.

Just know that you will stand alone before him to answer for the life you have lived.

No, thanks. I have no need for that delusion.

God has provided a way for you to escape what you deserve.

What I deserve is a decent life for the next 50-60 years, and then to die.

Its free, though it was costly for Him to provide it for you.[/quote]

 

[Know the Truth]

But, do you have an objection to someone pointing out that fact to you, in a loving and gentle way, if they believe that they are helping you? Would that still make you as sad, or angry, or any other emotion that causes? Because I am a Christian, and I don't think that pointing and abruptly saying someone is a sinner is doing anyone any good, either.

Please forgive me if I offended you. I misinterpretted the spirit of the posting on this site. Everyone seems pretty OK with tough straight talk. I don't have to call anyone a sinner because God's word says even our 'good' works are 'like filthy rags' to Him. Its because He sees our motives. I always include myself in that!

 

[DarkMaster24]

Maybe I'm just having a bad day, but I am really getting tired of being labelled a sinner just because I don't believe in religions definition of God. Is it just me or is anyone else tired of the slogan, we are sinners and we must repent or be sent to hell for eternity. Why do people believe this stuff and why do they think it's alright to tell others this stuff too. Don't they see how hurtful and condescending this is? Sorry, but I'm really tired of the label my family and others give me and other's like me. Usually I'm pretty upbeat about it and let it slide off my back, but today it's getting to me a lot.

I know the feeling-not specifically family, but as you've wread in my other post alot of my close friends growing up werent really good freinds and I had to sever my connections to them because of their extreemly different beliefs then my own and their constent efforts to force them down my throat after I stopped sharing their beliefs. What Id say about your family treating you like that is to tell them to stop. If you truley respect their beliefs/faith let them know that but also ask them to stop thrustng their theology on you. Thats unwarrented and I can see that it's affending you. I wish you the best of luck in your given situation.

 

[blackout]

Dude, God says we ALL miss the mark. I have sinned hundreds of thousands of times! Sin is not just murder and adultery and lying and cheating; it is also failing to love my neighbor the way I love myself. You can have any view of God and of the solution to sin that you want. Just know that you will stand alone before him to answer for the life you have lived. God has provided a way for you to escape what you deserve. Its free, though it was costly for Him to provide it for you.

Dude! I totally ALWAYS love my neighbor as I love mySelf.
Perhaps the way in which you love your Self is inadequate then?

Escape what I deserve?! lulz.

PS... I was a devout christian for years honey.
You're not telling me a thing I haven't heard/believed before.

"Your god" does not impress me.
Else "he" would most likely still by my god as well.
Nor does his "hell" scare me. *yawns*

To each his own.

 

[Know the Truth]

Dude! I totally ALWAYS love my neighbor as I love mySelf.
Perhaps the way in which you love your Self is inadequate then?

Escape what I deserve?! lulz.

PS... I was a devout christian for years honey.
You're not telling me a thing I haven't heard/believed before.

"Your god" does not impress me.
Else "he" would most likely still by my god as well.
Nor does his "hell" scare me. *yawns*

To each his own.

You missed out on the real thing back then, or you would still be there. But here's some words for you from Solomon, the wisest man who ever lived: "There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death."

 

[blackout]

You missed out on the real thing back then, or you would still be there. But here's some words for you from Solomon, the wisest man who ever lived: "There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death."

Well why not let people die in peace than honey.:cover:
Do you think it's your job to save people from themSelves?
Your prostylization is less than effective...
not to mention pompous and presumptuous.
You know NOTHING about me or what I have known.
nothing. and your approach wins you nothing.

Your love/treatment/interaction of self and neighbor could use a total makeover.

But I'm already quite sure you couldn't care less...
make way .... the next scripture teaching....

 

[Know the Truth]

Dude! I totally ALWAYS love my neighbor as I love mySelf.
Perhaps the way in which you love your Self is inadequate then?

Escape what I deserve?! lulz.

PS... I was a devout christian for years honey.
You're not telling me a thing I haven't heard/believed before.

"Your god" does not impress me.
Else "he" would most likely still by my god as well.
Nor does his "hell" scare me. *yawns*

To each his own.

His hell doesn't scare you because you have not yet discovered that He is God and means exactly what He says.

 

[Storm]

KTT, proselytizing is strictly forbidden on this forum.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

His hell doesn't scare you because you have not yet discovered that He is God and means exactly what He says.

I suppose "his hell" should terrify Christians more than anyone else.

 

[challupa]

But, do you have an objection to someone pointing out that fact to you, in a loving and gentle way, if they believe that they are helping you? Would that still make you as sad, or angry, or any other emotion that causes? Because I am a Christian, and I don't think that pointing and abruptly saying someone is a sinner is doing anyone any good, either.

Well lets put it this way, I don't have a problem with it one time. It's when I have asked the person to stop and they don't that I do think it is disrespectful. You see, I don't see how another human can adequately decide my status with God. It is an assumption on their part that I am wrong and going to hell. It is pretty hard for them to be coming from a place of not feeling superior to me, or feeling that I am wrong when they do "lovingly" tell me I'm a sinner. So given that fact, it is disrespectful imo.

 

[challupa]

I know the feeling-not specifically family, but as you've wread in my other post alot of my close friends growing up werent really good freinds and I had to sever my connections to them because of their extreemly different beliefs then my own and their constent efforts to force them down my throat after I stopped sharing their beliefs. What Id say about your family treating you like that is to tell them to stop. If you truley respect their beliefs/faith let them know that but also ask them to stop thrustng their theology on you. Thats unwarrented and I can see that it's affending you. I wish you the best of luck in your given situation.

Yes and sometimes, like you did, it is only possible by cutting off connection to them. I deal with it pretty well most of the time. As I said in my first post, I was having a particularly vulnerable day. It isn't the being called a sinner that bothers me, it is the fact that someone doesn't have enough respect for me to call me one. I don't know if that makes sense or not.

 

[Charity]

I'm feeling generous today, so I'll be the token sinner. While there calling me a sinner there letting everyone else have a peaceful day off....

 

[Storm]

I'm feeling generous today, so I'll be the token sinner. While there calling me a sinner there letting everyone else have a peaceful day off....

LOL, thanks. :hug: