Tired of being called a sinner?

[Reverend Rick]

Sinner

 

[jacobweymouth]

Sinner

hehe.

By the way, on your signature, I've been asking that question for so long, and they always get strangely silent.

 

[Magic Man]

hehe.

By the way, on your signature, I've been asking that question for so long, and they always get strangely silent.

Really? You must have missed my thread on the topic, then. The bottom line there is we're not worried about "where we're going". Sometimes, we might enjoy pointing out the inconsistencies with an idea like Hell, but it's more than a little dishonest to claim that that means we care about it.

 

[Reverend Rick]

it's more than a little dishonest to claim that that means we care about it.

It's more than a little dishonest to say that you don't IMHO.

 

[Know the Truth]

Maybe I'm just having a bad day, but I am really getting tired of being labelled a sinner just because I don't believe in religions definition of God. Is it just me or is anyone else tired of the slogan, we are sinners and we must repent or be sent to hell for eternity. Why do people believe this stuff and why do they think it's alright to tell others this stuff too. Don't they see how hurtful and condescending this is? Sorry, but I'm really tired of the label my family and others give me and other's like me. Usually I'm pretty upbeat about it and let it slide off my back, but today it's getting to me a lot.

Would it bother you if you found out for sure that the One who created you loves you intensely, and though He has to classify your behavior, He has chosen to punish your sins on His Son so that you can go free?

 

[Quagmire]

Would it bother you if you found out for sure that the One who created you loves you intensely, and though He has to classify your behavior, He has chosen to punish your sins on His Son so that you can go free?

think you're missing the point here KTT;

---to find out for sure? no.

---to have some idiot standing on a street corner screaming it in your ear? yeah.

 

[Comicaze247]

It's more than a little dishonest to say that you don't IMHO.

Claiming that we do is pretty much putting words in our mouth, IMHO. It's like discussing whether or not Santa Claus exists. We don't really care, but we just find it interesting that others believe he does.

 

[McBell]

Would it bother you if you found out for sure that the One who created you loves you intensely, and though He has to classify your behavior, He has chosen to punish your sins on His Son so that you can go free?

Of course not.
But then, my parents both not only said they love me, but showed it as well.

 

[Storm]

It's more than a little dishonest to say that you don't IMHO.

Maybe I can help you understand.

I don't believe in your version of God, nor in the existence of hell, so I can't be worried about it.

However, when you talk about looking forward to watching me burn, it tells me quite a bit about you.

 

[challupa]

Would it bother you if you found out for sure that the One who created you loves you intensely, and though He has to classify your behavior, He has chosen to punish your sins on His Son so that you can go free?

Now why would it bother me to find out I was loved intensely? I do not believe in your description of God. I would also be appalled to learn that any God would punish his son for anyone else's mistakes. I obviously don't believe that this is the case, but I always question why this brings comfort to people.

I don't believe people are sinners. I don't believe in original sin that had to be atoned for. I don't believe there is a hell. However, I have said this before, do you have any idea what it would be like to be in heaven with a front row seat to a scene of your definition of hell, watching sinners in agony and torment for eternity? That would be hell for me. I cannot watch anything suffer. It would be hell imo.

 

[Know the Truth]

Would it bother you if you found out for sure that the One who created you loves you intensely, and though He has to classify your behavior, He has chosen to punish your sins on His Son so that you can go free?

It is obvious to anyone who is honest that the world is full of people who commit sin. The word 'sin' is an archery term and means "to miss the mark." We constantly miss the mark and fail to be what we were created to be. If you don't see the horrible sin in this world you are in deep denial, my friend.

 

[stacey bo bacey]

I dont think anyone has ever said that to me here, and if they have I would feel a sense of achievement.

Heh heh.

 

[McBell]

The word 'sin' is an archery term and means "to miss the mark."

Where did you get that definition?

sin (n.) O.E. synn "moral wrongdoing, offense against God, misdeed," from P.Gmc. *sundjo (cf. O.S. sundia, O.Fris. sende, M.Du. sonde, Ger. Sünde "sin, transgression, trespass, offense"), probably ult. "true" (cf. Goth. sonjis, O.N. sannr "true"), from PIE *es-ont-, prp. of base *es- "to be" (see is). The semantic development is via notion of "to be truly the one (who is guilty)," as in O.N. phrase verð sannr at "be found guilty of," and the use of the phrase "it is being" in Hittite confessional formula. The same process probably yielded the L. word sons (gen. sontis) "guilty, criminal" from prp. of sum, esse "to be, that which is." Some etymologists believe the Gmc. word was an early borrowing directly from the L. genitive. Sin-eater is attested from 1686. To live in sin "cohabit without marriage" is from 1838. Ice hockey slang sin bin "penalty box" is attested from 1950.

sin (v.) O.E. syngian "to commit sin," from synn (see sin (n.)). Cf. Du. zondigen, Ger. sündigen. Form alt. from M.E. sunigen by influence of the noun.
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[emiliano]

Maybe I'm just having a bad day, but I am really getting tired of being labelled a sinner just because I don't believe in religions definition of God. Is it just me or is anyone else tired of the slogan, we are sinners and we must repent or be sent to hell for eternity. Why do people believe this stuff and why do they think it's alright to tell others this stuff too. Don't they see how hurtful and condescending this is? Sorry, but I'm really tired of the label my family and others give me and other's like me. Usually I'm pretty upbeat about it and let it slide off my back, but today it's getting to me a lot.

I am very fond of Augustine’s theology and in respect to sins he defines it as:
Individual sin is:
a perversity of the will, turning away from God, from that which will bring us happiness
a form of bondage, keeping us from that which will bring us happiness
So if your family sees sins as a form of bondage, keeping you from that which will bring you happiness, you are sinner in their eyes.
Original Sin
As a consequence of "the Fall," every human being is born with a disposition to sin which we cannot by ourselves overcome ("original sin")
Analogies for "original sin:"
1. a hereditary disease
The Grace of God heals us
2. a power which holds us captive
The Grace of God liberates us
3. a guilt passed from generation to generation
The Grace of God brings forgiveness and pardon
The views of Calvin and Theodore Beza were formulated by Reformed Orthodoxy in the Synod of Dort 1618-19. The doctrine of this council is often remembered by the mnenomic "TULIP"
Human nature Totally depraved
Election is Unconditional (not based on merit, achievement, etc)
Atonement is Limited. Christ died only for the elect
For those who receive God's grace, it is Irresistible. The elect are infallibly redeemed
The saints Persevere: those predestined cannot defect from their calling
Hoping that you are getting along better with your family and that knowing how Christians see sin and sinner help. Peace

 

[Father Heathen]

It's more than a little dishonest to say that you don't IMHO.

The problem is that the term is used to condemn and patronize, which is something people tend not to like regardless if they believe in that person's concept of "sin" or not.

 

[stacey bo bacey]

It's more than a little dishonest to say that you don't IMHO.

Presumption and arrogance are grossly unbecoming.

 

[Magic Man]

It's more than a little dishonest to say that you don't IMHO.

Well, that's your opinion. Obviously, if some god existed that sent people to heaven and hell, I'd want to go to heaven. However, since none of those gods exist, I really don't care. It's the same way, if Allah or some other god exists, I'm sure you'd like to go to their heaven rather than their hell. Does that mean you worry about it? No.

I know you desperately want to think that all atheists are just forcing themselves to deny God, and in their hearts they really believe, but it's just not the case. You need to get over yourself.

Some people like to discuss mythology. Sometimes, that includes the Greek and Roman gods, sometimes it includes Christian notions like heaven and hell. It doesn't mean they care about any of those topics as anything more than interesting.

 

[Magic Man]

It is obvious to anyone who is honest that the world is full of people who commit sin.

I'm honest and that's not obvious to me.

The word 'sin' is an archery term and means "to miss the mark." We constantly miss the mark and fail to be what we were created to be.

What mark are we missing, though? What were we "created to be"?

If you don't see the horrible sin in this world you are in deep denial, my friend.

There are some people who do some harmful things. I do things that harm myself or others sometimes, but not very often. I don't recognize any of it as sin, and there isn't as much of it as you seem to think there is. You here more about the murders and thefts, etc. because that's what makes good news. There are still a whole lot of good people doing good things, though.

 

[challupa]

I am very fond of Augustine’s theology and in respect to sins he defines it as:
Individual sin is:
a perversity of the will, turning away from God, from that which will bring us happiness
a form of bondage, keeping us from that which will bring us happiness
So if your family sees sins as a form of bondage, keeping you from that which will bring you happiness, you are sinner in their eyes.
Original Sin
As a consequence of "the Fall," every human being is born with a disposition to sin which we cannot by ourselves overcome ("original sin")
Analogies for "original sin:"
1. a hereditary disease
The Grace of God heals us
2. a power which holds us captive
The Grace of God liberates us
3. a guilt passed from generation to generation
The Grace of God brings forgiveness and pardon
The views of Calvin and Theodore Beza were formulated by Reformed Orthodoxy in the Synod of Dort 1618-19. The doctrine of this council is often remembered by the mnenomic "TULIP"
Human nature Totally depraved
Election is Unconditional (not based on merit, achievement, etc)
Atonement is Limited. Christ died only for the elect
For those who receive God's grace, it is Irresistible. The elect are infallibly redeemed
The saints Persevere: those predestined cannot defect from their calling
Hoping that you are getting along better with your family and that knowing how Christians see sin and sinner help. Peace

Emiliano, I believe they are referring to what you call "individual" sin. They believe if I am not a Christian I am a sinner. Simple as that I guess. Thanks for the information.

 

[DallasApple]

There are some people who do some harmful things. I do things that harm myself or others sometimes, but not very often. I don't recognize any of it as sin, and there isn't as much of it as you seem to think there is. You here more about the murders and thefts, etc. because that's what makes good news. There are still a whole lot of good people doing good things, though

Exactly..If they changed the "news" to every act of kindness done in a day.Every good and loving action done in any given day..
Every choice made to "do the right thing" in a day by the majority of people???First of all there wouldnt be enough time to announce it in a day each and every day..2nd of all that wouldnt keep people paralyzed in fear and following along like drones.

Love

Dallas