Tired of being called a sinner?

[challupa]

The fear of non-existence seems to be a primary root of religousness.

Maybe, but in my mind if I die and there is nothing, I'm not going to know or miss being am I. For some though it is not the non-existence that scares them but the eternal existence in hell. For her, it is definitely that. I don't think she has ever questioned NOT existing.

 

[jacobweymouth]

I don't mind being called a sinner.

Everyone is a sinner -not just those that don't believe in God. Christian fundamentalists included.

If you say you're not a sinner, what does it matter what we call you? We'll see who's right.

 

[Spiritone]

The whole concept is excruciating to contemplate. There is no hell beyond this earth. When we die our physical bodies are dead and feel no pain. That is obvious. If we believe we have a spirit it goes on. Where? Well, I believe in reincarnation (I was raised Christian) but the only hell would be on this earth in reincarnation. All of the teachings of every religion tries to realize that we are all one. Or maybe we are just an unexplainable result of coincidences that happen beyond our possible comprehension. Any way I do not loose any sleep over the concept of hell---i never did and feel sorry for those who do.

 

[challupa]

The whole concept is excruciating to contemplate. There is no hell beyond this earth. When we die our physical bodies are dead and feel no pain. That is obvious. If we believe we have a spirit it goes on. Where? Well, I believe in reincarnation (I was raised Christian) but the only hell would be on this earth in reincarnation. All of the teachings of every religion tries to realize that we are all one. Or maybe we are just an unexplainable result of coincidences that happen beyond our possible comprehension. Any way I do not loose any sleep over the concept of hell---i never did and feel sorry for those who do.

I agree we won't care one way or the other if we die and there is nothing. I lean more towards reincarnation, but I don't know. I feel sorry for my sister, because she is truly fearful of hell. I think it's all a mystery that no one can claim to know the answer to until we die.:yes:

 

[challupa]

I don't mind being called a sinner.

Everyone is a sinner -not just those that don't believe in God. Christian fundamentalists included.

If you say you're not a sinner, what does it matter what we call you? We'll see who's right.

It's not the word I object to. It's the superior attitude that usually accompanies it that I think is disrespectfull. I have never thought of anyone as a sinner because that concept is one of degradation of humans. That is why I do not respect religous teachings that tell everyone that they are sinners and should be ashamed and guilty of being a human. It's not very good for a healthy society imo.

 

[Vasilisa Jade]

I'll be honest. I didn't read the whole thread. If I repeat something already said I'm sahwry...

I got lucky. I was raised by an eclectic Eck/Buddhist/Hindu/Pagan/Occult dad. As a child he used to talk to my close friends and I about his astral projection experiences and Gods and other planes... We of course thought he was nuts. lol.

I was an active LDS member for about 5 years, then whattaya know... I wandered back to paganism all on my own.

I am extremely lucky. I cannot pretend I know how it feels to be treated that way by your family.

My best advice is to seriously tell them you refuse to speak with them at all about religion. Out of respect for both of you. If it is brought up immediately, politely, shut the conversation down.

 

[challupa]

I'll be honest. I didn't read the whole thread. If I repeat something already said I'm sahwry...

I got lucky. I was raised by an eclectic Eck/Buddhist/Hindu/Pagan/Occult dad. As a child he used to talk to my close friends and I about his astral projection experiences and Gods and other planes... We of course thought he was nucking futs. lol.

I was an active LDS member for about 5 years, then whattaya know... I wandered back to paganism all on my own.

I am extremely lucky. I cannot pretend I know how it feels to be treated that way by your family.

My best advice is to seriously tell them you refuse to speak with them at all about religion. Out of respect for both of you. If it is brought up immediately, politely, shut the conversation down.

That must have been quite an experience! Did he have any good stories?

I have pretty much done that with them. I refuse to talk about it most of the time and they are slowly learning to not bring it up. However, when my sister comes at me with a fear based pleading almost, it makes me sad because I can't indulge her. I am okay most of the time, my post was a day when it had got to me more than usual. Thanks for caring

 

[McBell]

Yes but now we have luna and dallas in the pool with us too. Let's see how many we can get to sin.... I mean party with us! Well luna anyway, Dallas hasn't commited yet...:beach:

Sorry I can't join, but I refuse to pledge allegiance to some deity just so I can sin.

Everyone is a sinner -not just those that don't believe in God. Christian fundamentalists included.

I disagree.
For to sin is to go agianst the wishes/will of your chosen deity.
I do not have a deity, chosen or otherwise, therefore by definition, I cannot sin.

If you say you're not a sinner, what does it matter what we call you?

It matters not one iota to me what you call me.

We'll see who's right.

Perhaps we will at that.
The question is though...
Are you prepared to accept the consequences of your choices?
I am.

 

[Vasilisa Jade]

That must have been quite an experience! Did he have any good stories?

Oh God tons of crazy ones. lol. Meeting a deity named Kalnorengine is the only story that sticks out in my mind at the moment.

I still remember my friends and I coming to the conclusion somehow (privately) that we could astral project, find ourselves boy toys up there, then come back and still be "clean" and whatnot. And no one would know....

This resulted in a brief heightened interest in astral projection. So then we incited a conversation and started listening more seriously. Didn't last too long. We gave up on that and went back to it being a joke before that night was over.

lmao. We were such ridiculous kids.

 

[challupa]

Sorry I can't join, but I refuse to pledge allegiance to some deity just so I can sin.

Party pooper!:beach:

 

[McBell]

Party pooper!:beach:

I did not say that I can't crash the party....

 

[challupa]

I did not say that I can't crash the party....

All RIGHT!!! Now you're talking!

 

[blackout]

Tired of being called a sinner?

Why thank you, no! :flirt:

(SSSsssssay it again....)

 

[J Bryson]

I don't get called a sinner very often. I think that it's because I live around Los Angeles, and my minor sins tend to fade into the background.

 

[challupa]

I don't get called a sinner very often. I think that it's because I live around Los Angeles, and my minor sins tend to fade into the background.

I don't get called it too often either. Just my family and their friends seem to think it's important to remind me from time to time. Then there are always the Christians that come on here and tell everyone (themselves included) that they are sinners. That in my mind is ridiculus. We're just living life using the free will we've been given and there is nothing sinful about that imo.

 

[jacobweymouth]

I disagree.
For to sin is to go agianst the wishes/will of your chosen deity.
I do not have a deity, chosen or otherwise, therefore by definition, I cannot sin.

You may not have pledged allegience to Him, but you're living in His universe, and HIs universe has rules. Therefore, by definition, you can sin -if you break those rules.

It matters not one iota to me what you call me.

That was addressed to those who "are tired of being called sinners."

Perhaps we will at that.
The question is though...
Are you prepared to accept the consequences of your choices?
I am.

Meaning am I prepared to go to hell? No, not really. That would be incredibly stupid being that there is someone who has already taken responsibility.

 

[challupa]

You may not have pledged allegience to Him, but you're living in His universe, and HIs universe has rules. Therefore, by definition, you can sin -if you break those rules.



That was addressed to those who "are tired of being called sinners."



Meaning am I prepared to go to hell? No, not really. That would be incredibly stupid being that there is someone who has already taken responsibility.

Well it would seem that you should have been born into my family instead of me. You would have all got along famously!

 

[McBell]

You may not have pledged allegience to Him, but you're living in His universe, and HIs universe has rules.

which one of the portraits of God do you claim owns the universe?
How do you "know" that this particular portrait of God owns the universe?
and no, your particular portrait of God making the claim that he is the creator does not work for a couple of reasons:

One, creation does equate ownership.
two, your particular portraits claim would not be the first, or last, deity to claim the creation equates ownership thus I am the owner argument.
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On A Side Note:
I would appreciate it if you would stop trying to force your particular portrait on me.

Therefore, by definition, you can sin -if you break those rules.

See above.

That was addressed to those who "are tired of being called sinners."

I see.

Meaning am I prepared to go to hell? No, not really.

So, Pascals Wager is a one way street for you.

That would be incredibly stupid being that there is someone who has already taken responsibility.

Your unwavering blind devotion to your beliefs is admirable.
You just better hope that your particular portrait is the correct one.

 

[jacobweymouth]

which one of the portraits of God do you claim owns the universe?
How do you "know" that this particular portrait of God owns the universe?
and no, your particular portrait of God making the claim that he is the creator does not work for a couple of reasons:

One, creation does equate ownership.
two, your particular portraits claim would not be the first, or last, deity to claim the creation equates ownership thus I am the owner argument.
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I'm well aware of the many different interpretations, revelations, faiths, portraits, brands of cheese, etc. In terms of portraits, you know which one I claim owns the universe. No matter which one does, though, you live by his rules. If you don't believe in God, then it doesn't matter, but it's also pointless for us to discuss it.

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On A Side Note:
I would appreciate it if you would stop trying to force your particular portrait on me

I'm not. What is, is.

So, Pascals Wager is a one way street for you.

To me it's not a wager.

Your unwavering blind devotion to your beliefs is admirable.
You just better hope that your particular portrait is the correct one.

I suppose you could say I hope. I certainly have faith. You can't be as blind as I am without it.

 

[McBell]

I'm well aware of the many different interpretations, revelations, faiths, portraits, brands of cheese, etc. In terms of portraits, you know which one I claim owns the universe. No matter which one does, though, you live by his rules. If you don't believe in God, then it doesn't matter, but it's also pointless for us to discuss it.

Actually, I don't.
Though I am pretty sure I can narrow it down to one of the Christian flavours.

As to following his "rules", I will stick with the ones that can be shown, I.E. gravity, and take all the micromanagement ones with a grain of salt.