To all of you fellas

[.lava]

In the Christian sense, forgiveness means to stop feeling angry and not hoping that the person should have to pay for what he did...

So yeah, that or being OK with it seems, to me, synonymous.

there are differences in beliefs as a theist, i believe i am always standing before God. if i fight my anger that's because i believe i am alone with God. even if i did not wish him to pay for what he's done, he would pay anyway. don't get me wrong, i do understand what you're saying. there are extremes in life. there are things that we could replace in case we lost them and there are irreplaceable things. time and people are irreplaceable.

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[Women_Of_Reason]

there are differences in beliefs as a theist, i believe i am always standing before God. if i fight my anger that's because i believe i am alone with God. even if i did not wish him to pay for what he's done, he would pay anyway. don't get me wrong, i do understand what you're saying. there are extremes in life. there are things that we could replace in case we lost them and there are irreplaceable things. time and people are irreplaceable.

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In a way I envy you for believing that there will be celestial retribution for what people do in there life. I really wish that I could believe that hell exists, some folks deserve it. Unfortunately I can`t.

 

[Renji]

In a way I envy you for believing that there will be celestial retribution for what people do in there life. I really wish that I could believe that hell exists, some folks deserve it. Unfortunately I can`t.

Yes, I agree that some people deserve it. Well, I see that you don't believe in hell. That's ok since it's your belief but I hope that it is not an excuse for you to give forgiveness.

 

[Women_Of_Reason]

Yes, I agree that some people deserve it. Well, I see that you don't believe in hell. That's ok since it's your belief but I hope that it is not an excuse for you to give forgiveness.

I just said it... Forgiveness is over rated. There are things that I will NEVER forgive... EVER!!!

 

[Renji]

I just said it... Forgiveness is over rated. There are things that I will NEVER forgive... EVER!!!

Ok, fine. Thank you...

 

[Renji]

What does the Bible say about forgiveness?

In Ephesians 5:31-32

“ Let all bitterness and anger and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: and ye be kind one to another, tender hearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you.”

Mark 12:25-26

“And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any : that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. But if ye do not forgive , neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.”

Matthew 6: 43,44

“Ye have heard that it hath been said, Though shall love thy neighbor , and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them who curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you…”

 

[Renji]

The answers that I have so far in this thread about how to forgive our enemies are to understand that all of us commits mistakes so therefore we should forgive who hurt us, use our faith in God and His words to forgive, let there no division between our fellow men and treat them with equality, accept what one has commited,amnesia(forgive and forget) and some also says frubals( give frubals to others after hearing post from some sharp tongued people!haha,make me laugh).

 

[Caladan]

Forgiveness in great deal should be a matter of intuition. acts that were not a result of malicious intent are more common to be forgiven, but some deeds and people should not be forgotten nor forgiven. some deeds are too cruel and monstrous and no one should be made to think they need to find it in them to forgive the people who did them, since it is like saying 'its OK', some things in society should be fought with fury and uncompromise. in fact I'd say that forgiveness is irrelevant to them.

 

[Renji]

Forgiveness in great deal should be a matter of intuition. acts that were not a result of malicious intent are more common to be forgiven, but some deeds and people should not be forgotten nor forgiven.

Agreed. But we need to remember that we need not to do something awful to others even to our enemies because if we do the same, we are like them. We are not different to them if we do that.

 

[autonomous1one1]

What does the Bible say about forgiveness?

Matthew 6: 43,44
“Ye have heard that it hath been said, Though shall love thy neighbor , and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them who curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you…”

Forgiveness in great deal should be a matter of intuition. acts that were not a result of malicious intent are more common to be forgiven, but some deeds and people should not be forgotten nor forgiven. ......

Agreed. But we need to remember that we need not to do something awful to others even to our enemies because if we do the same, we are like them. We are not different to them if we do that.

Greetings Lawrence. Do you consider it possible that Jesus as Christ meant to put qualifiers on forgiving such that if the deed is intentially too horrible from our 'enemies' we should not forgive them?

[EDIT: Looks like we got back into whether or not to forgive again. Perhaps you would like to extend the scope of this thread or start another one?]

 

[Renji]

Greetings Lawrence. Do you consider it possible that Jesus as Christ meant to put qualifiers on forgiving such that if the deed is intentially too horrible from our 'enemies' we should not forgive them?

[EDIT: Looks like we got back into whether or not to forgive again. Perhaps you would like to extend the scope of this thread or start another one?]

No. Jesus didn't say that if someone have done a horrible thing to you, you should never forgive him/her. Instead, He says that we need to forgive and love one another, for nobody's perfect. I will start a new thread about giving forgiveness.

 

[.lava]

No. Jesus didn't say that if someone have done a horrible thing to you, you should never forgive him/her. Instead, He says that we need to forgive and love one another, for nobody's perfect. I will start a new thread about giving forgiveness.

if someone did something horrible to me, then i would accept it as my destiny, i would not hold grunge and let go (eventually). but i would not forgive someone who does not regret. even God does not forgive people who does not ask for forgiveness.

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[Renji]

if someone did something horrible to me, then i would accept it as my destiny, i would not hold grunge and let go (eventually). but i would not forgive someone who does not regret. even God does not forgive people who does not ask for forgiveness.

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Friend, can you give me a citation from the Q'ran about forgiveness?

And sorry, I don't believe in destiny. God has plans for us. It is up to us if we follow it or not. I believe that God has given us intelect and freewill. Therefore, we are free to choose whatever we want (to be good or bad, to forgive or not) but ofcourse we believe in God so we should not abuse our freewill.

 

[.lava]

Friend, can you give me a citation from the Q'ran about forgiveness?

And sorry, I don't believe in destiny. God has plans for us. It is up to us if we follow it or not. I believe that God has given us intelect and freewill. Therefore, we are free to choose whatever we want (to be good or bad, to forgive or not) but ofcourse we believe in God so we should not abuse our freewill.

there might be more verses that includes 'forgiveness'. i would quote one to show what we do as we Muslims are willing to do what Prophet did.

3:159 Thus it is due to mercy from Allah that you deal with them gently, and had you been rough, hard hearted, they would certainly have dispersed from around you; pardon them therefore and ask pardon for them, and take counsel with them in the affair; so when you have decided, then place your trust in Allah; surely Allah loves those who trust.

i do not think our definition of destiny are same.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/comparative-religion/64919-destiny-act.html

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[Renji]

i do not think our definition of destiny are same.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/comparative-religion/64919-destiny-act.html

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maybe..