To All You Sanders Supporters......It's Over

[jeager106]

It better be, she's had it nude for enough magazines.

Well I guess she's got "it" and she sells "it".
More power to her.
I liked her body my own self.

 

[Draka]

University educations differ from primary education by costing a lot (for most people).
This is what he's talking about making free.

You know, with the amount the government puts out in grants, scholarships and loans that can never be paid back, it would really just be simpler to fund college education for all and regulate the costs. See, as you may already know, when the government is paying for something institutions don't tend to get away with jacking up prices. Like when the VA covers a bill for a vet seen in a local hospital the bill they actually pay is extremely cheaper than if you are actually billed. They regulate the costs. So, if the government was funding college education then the costs would be regulated anyway. It wouldn't cost as much as some probably think. And if we managed our other money better, like in military spending and, oh, Congressional salaries, then it wouldn't even take hardly any bite out of taxpayers at all.


Oh, and I don't really get any complaining about it costing taxpayers anyway. As if taxpayers won't benefit from it. Wouldn't it just be simpler to pay a few dollars extra in taxes for the year than worry about college tuition for yourself or your children? I mean. We, as a whole, as a nation, could be better educated for the cost of a few bucks. Is that really something to complain about?

 

[Revoltingest]

I didn't say all married men have affairs did I? I said a married man would lie about one if he was having one.

What you said before was a little broader.

And really...who said it was anyone's business in the first place? You know, maybe they had an open relationship. Maybe Hillary was doing her own thing and just didn't get caught? Either way, I still say it was petty to go after that in the first place. Again, it was simply done because they couldn't get him on anything else.

His personal life can become a matter of public interest if his conduct puts him in a position of feeling the need to do wrongful things.
Any pol is a fool if they believe the press should give them a pass when they have extramarital affairs.
Is this unfair?
That's not the issue.....the press will do what the press will do.
Any reasonable person would foresee that if he has affairs which are known to many people, they will become public knowledge.
At that point, the pol is faced with the options of either coming clean, or lying about it.
If the pol commits a crime while doing the latter, than this should be prosecuted.
We should not have a political elite which is above the law.

 

[Revoltingest]

You know, with the amount the government puts out in grants, scholarships and loans that can never be paid back, it would really just be simpler to fund college education for all and regulate the costs.

It would be simpler, but it would require much much more money.
Not only would those who are currently paying now get it for free,
but many more people would want to jump on the gravy train.

See, as you may already know, when the government is paying for something institutions don't tend to get away with jacking up prices. Like when the VA covers a bill for a vet seen in a local hospital the bill they actually pay is extremely cheaper than if you are actually billed. They regulate the costs. So, if the government was funding college education then the costs would be regulated anyway. It wouldn't cost as much as some probably think. And if we managed our other money better, like in military spending and, oh, Congressional salaries, then it wouldn't even take hardly any bite out of taxpayers at all.

Government regulation would cut the cost?
Where I see huge increases here is in government run universities.
Example....
The U of Mich is a state owned & run school.
When I started, tuition was $300 per term.
When my daughter started, tuition was over $10,000 per term.
I don't share your optimism that VA style cost cutting will have the intended effect.

 

[Draka]

What you said before was a little broader.

His personal life can become a matter of public interest if his conduct puts him in a position of feeling the need to do wrongful things.
Any pol is a fool if they believe the press should give them a pass when they have extramarital affairs.
Is this unfair?
That's not the issue.....the press will do what the press will do.
Any reasonable person would foresee that if he has affairs which are known to many people, they will become public knowledge.
At that point, the pol is faced with the options of either coming clean, or lying about it.
If the pol commits a crime while doing the latter, than this should be prosecuted.
We should not have a political elite which is above the law.

And the law should not be so rigid as to not see extenuating circumstances or severity differences. If he had lied about selling government secrets to 14 other countries, then yeah, that's a lie worth prosecuting. The man lied about a blowjob. There's a difference in the severity of the crime and the effect upon which it had on his job. We'll just disagree on this one I suppose. I just think it was petty to try to get rid of a president that was doing one hell of an awesome job for this country by going after him on that front.

 

[Revoltingest]

I understand but how "free" could a higher education be?
Who will foot the bill?
I suggest YOU and ME.
(ha! just recalled I don't pay tax any longer. Disabled don'tcha'know) ( police work is dangerous)
( untill I get royalty checks for the gas well just drilled across the street)

Beware politicians who promise to 90% that the other 10% will give them something for free.
I still pay a lot of tax...a whole lot.
But at least my Social Security checks cover a small part of it.

 

[Draka]

It would be simpler, but it would require much much more money.
Not only would those who are currently paying now get it for free,
but many more people would want to jump on the gravy train.

Government regulation would cut the cost?
Where I see huge increases here is in government run universities.
Example....
The U of Mich is a state owned & run school.
When I started, tuition was $300 per term.
When my daughter started, tuition was over $10,000 per term.
I don't share your optimism that VA style cost cutting will have the intended effect.

When the government is actually footing the bill. The state isn't footing the bill there is it? If you are paying then the government isn't footing the bill.

Okay, here's an example of what I'm talking about...when I had my issue with my kidneys and the one got blocked and swelled up and I went to the local hospital in pain not knowing what was wrong they did several tests on me and I was there for several hours. As someone in the VA system the local unaffiliated hospital was to just do a basic diagnosis and stabilization to determined if I was to be transported to the nearest VA hospital. Once it was found out what the problem was and I was on pain meds they tried to transfer me and couldn't due to the VA hospital being too backed-up. So i had to go home and wait til the next day. Now, I have had other ER bills before, I've seen bills from radiology before, so I know what the costs in that hospital generally run. When I got the notice from the VA that they paid my hospital bill in full it included the complete statement of costs. We're talking many times less than what the bill would have been had it come to me. Many times less.

You think the same wouldn't go for colleges?

 

[jeager106]

Indeed I still pay plenty of taxes though my primary disability income isn't taxable.
Should there be significant income from the close by gas well I can promise
it will be heavily taxed.
That income is problematic though. It could be a few hundred bucks a month
or just a couple bucks.
Haven't a clue.

 

[Revoltingest]

And the law should not be so rigid as to not see extenuating circumstances or severity differences.

The law is not so flexible to us little folk.
Tis better that the same law apply to the mighty also.

If he had lied about selling government secrets to 14 other countries, then yeah, that's a lie worth prosecuting. The man lied about a blowjob. There's a difference in the severity of the crime and the effect upon which it had on his job. We'll just disagree on this one I suppose. I just think it was petty to try to get rid of a president that was doing one hell of an awesome job for this country by going after him on that front.

And this is what it boils down to....
When people like a prez, they'll let him violate the law.
When they dislike the prez, then they'll throw the book at'm.
I advocate a single standard.....they should all obey the law, or face prosecution.

 

[Draka]

Here's the thing, in many cases the reason certain costs are so high is to offset the fact that so many can't pay. It's a vicious circle. Someone can't pay their bill so all costs go up to cover for those who can't pay. So now the costs are higher and more people can't afford and can't pay so costs go up again. Now, if it was a guarantee that payment was going to come in no matter what, then costs wouldn't have to be so high. These services would cost less as a whole.

 

[BSM1]

misogynistic: in short the dictionary definition of this is an intense HATRED of women.
So are you suggesting Wild WILLIE hates women thus he beds all of them he can???
That sounds very psychological. A psychological illness perhaps?

Look at his conquests. The women he gravitated to, for the most part, were not supermodels, movie stars, or even sexy soccer moms. No disrespect intended but they were low-hanging fruit that you would think would be thrilled if the POTUS or GOVARK directed their attention toward them. Many told frightening tales of rape and abuse by Clinton. I know this type of man and this is not love, passion, or even sexual desire; this is control and manipulation. Compare Bill with JFK's conquest of MM and you can start seeing a pattern.

 

[Revoltingest]

When the government is actually footing the bill. The state isn't footing the bill there is it? If you are paying then the government isn't footing the bill.

Okay, here's an example of what I'm talking about...when I had my issue with my kidneys and the one got blocked and swelled up and I went to the local hospital in pain not knowing what was wrong they did several tests on me and I was there for several hours. As someone in the VA system the local unaffiliated hospital was to just do a basic diagnosis and stabilization to determined if I was to be transported to the nearest VA hospital. Once it was found out what the problem was and I was on pain meds they tried to transfer me and couldn't due to the VA hospital being too backed-up. So i had to go home and wait til the next day. Now, I have had other ER bills before, I've seen bills from radiology before, so I know what the costs in that hospital generally run. When I got the notice from the VA that they paid my hospital bill in full it included the complete statement of costs. We're talking many times less than what the bill would have been had it come to me. Many times less.

You think the same wouldn't go for colleges?

The same would not happen with colleges.
We would not save money by making it all free.
And there would be unintended consequences, eg, difficulties of funding new facilities & equipment.
From a left leaning publication....
http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...of-a-free-college-education-in-sweden/276428/

 

[Revoltingest]

Look at his conquests. The women he gravitated to, for the most part, were not supermodels, movie stars, or even sexy soccer moms. No disrespect intended but they were low-hanging fruit that you would think would be thrilled if the POTUS or GOVARK directed their attention toward them. Many told frightening tales of rape and abuse by Clinton. I know this type of man and this is not love, passion, or even sexual desire; this is control and manipulation. Compare Bill with JFK's conquest of MM and you can start seeing a pattern.

Because he's a beloved Democrat, all those many women just made up the charges against him.
Twas a vast right wing conspiracy, you know.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Well, I suppose that if Hillary is on the ballot (don't forget, Obama was behind and pulled ahead closer to the end), Hilary will be the next president.
Definitely not my preferred choice, but regardless Sanders has far exceeded anyone's expectations. He has proven Socialism is not dead, he has proven the "bitter enemy" mentality towards Socialism in America is dying off, and that it's possible for a non Dem or Rep to step up and make waves (and without being a total jerk).

 

[Iti oj]

The same would not happen with colleges.
We would not save money by making it all free.
And there would be unintended consequences, eg, difficulties of funding new facilities & equipment.
From a left leaning publication....
http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...of-a-free-college-education-in-sweden/276428/

Those problems already exist and are not arguments against doing it.

 

[Revoltingest]

Those problems already exist and are not arguments against doing it.

I agree those problems already exist.
What I think is that Bernie's making college education nominally free won't solve the problem.
Nay, I'd expect it to make things worse in several ways.

 

[jeager106]

Politicians become liars and liars become politicians.
When I was a detective sgt. and in charge of all criminal investigations making
dramatic headlines for the police department some politicians sought my
public endorsements for their campaigns.
One would be small time politicians and lawyer wanted be to back him up
by endorsing his platform banning "cop killer bullets".
There being no such thing really as any bullet can kill anyone.
Some actually admitted I'd be lying to back up preposterous claims.
Low life scum suckers they were.
I endorsed NO ONE!

 

[LuisDantas]

Trump causes much more a shudder. More like a crippling fear. So that could definitely play more in Clinton's favor.

My thoughts exactly. Hillary is no wonder candidate, but Trump is not an option at all.

 

[tytlyf]

I don't know why republicans keep referring to Bernie as a die-hard socialist? Electing Bernie would be a less socialistic approach compared to Obama. I've been hearing for 7 years that Obama is the super socialist marxist from Kenya Hussein. They should be welcoming Bernie with his lighter socialistic approach

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Do you think the superdelegates will not be used?

I guarantee that they'll be used.