To Be or Not To Be: your gender (Vivek R.)

[stvdv]

I always viewed being a transsexual as a medical issue, caused by some biological mishap involving the hormones, in the womb.

Thank you for sharing
I had not thought of that

Interesting view

And not unimaginable, as I recently read, that people can choose their child's sex, when done in the lab (but i didn't double check this, maybe it's misinformation ... though common sense tells me that this is high on some scientists their ToDo list ... Chinese love to get boys I have read and double checked)

Gender bending

I love your word choice

in terms of how you express yourself is a seperate thing from that.

 

[Argentbear]

Without boxes we couldn't communicate. Every word in every language is a box.

"Amorphous" describes something that lacks a clear, defined shape or structure. So sexually amorphous orientation describes an individual whose orientation is not clearly defined.

Bisexuality is clearly defined. Bisexuals like both men and women

There have been women who have full on said they were heterosexual and enjoyed sex with men for many years. Then for whatever reasons, they cultivate their enjoyment of the same sex, and end up opting to go full on lesbian. Please explain to me how that happens?

um...Bisexuality

 

[IndigoChild5559]

um...Bisexuality

No. At one time they clearly preferred only men. And later they clearly preferred only women. During both of those times they were not bisexual, since a bisexual enjoys both. Care to try to explain this again?

 

[Argentbear]

The entire American Academy of Pediatrics is homophobic? This tells me it is YOU who have a bias so strong that you can't acknowledge any evidence to the contrary. "They disagree with me so they must be lying!"

And that means we really can't have a productive conversation, so I'm moving on.

Apologies i did a cut and past and screwed it up. It's the American College of Pediatrics, a recognized hate group that has about 250 members very few of which are pediatricians. I correct my original post

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Apologies i did a cut and past and screwed it up. It's the American College of Pediatrics, a recognized hate group that has about 250 members very few of which are pediatricians. I correct my original post

Good man. I make mistakes too. I'm glad to see I'm not the only person who does these brain burps.

 

[Argentbear]

No. At one time they clearly preferred only men. And later they clearly preferred only women. During both of those times they were not bisexual, since a bisexual enjoys both. Care to try to explain this again?

if a bisexual man falls in love with a woman and they spend a lifetime together that doesn't change the man's sexual orientation he is still bisexual.

Sexual orientation is separate from any activity. you are gay or straight or bi without ever having sex

 

[stvdv]

There have been women who have full on said they were heterosexual and enjoyed sex with men for many years. Then for whatever reasons, they cultivate their enjoyment of the same sex, and end up opting to go full on lesbian. Please explain to me how that happens?

Sexual desire is very hard to give up, Scriptures declare; for those starting celibate life.

1 desire easily snowballs into multiple desires
This is proven by Orgies, partner sharing, cheating on your partner and what not

Or cheating with the partner of your best friend. At least you know that your best friend is not your best friend, and you are neither.

BUT

probably cheaters don't do much introspection

 

[stvdv]

@Argentbear I found another very short clip on how certain Big Pharma drugs even "kills" people with gender dysphoria: Elon Musk's son this time. Seems my gut feeling was right

 

[IndigoChild5559]

@Argentbear I found another very short clip on how certain Big Pharma drugs even "kills" people with gender dysphoria: Elon Musk's son this time. Seems my gut feeling was right

I looked into this. While Musk does have a transgender daughter, she is very much alive. If I'm mistaken about that, I'd be more than happy to read any legitimate link you have. YouTube, X, instagram, etc. don't qualify as legitimate links.

 

[stvdv]

I'm transgender.

Thank you for sharing, I appreciate this

When I was very young, I identified more with the female energy, still nowadays.

I am not confusing biologically assignable sex with gender. And I already agree with the second sentence. On birth certificates it should be male, female or non-binary (intersexed). With that clarity one's gender would have very little to do with their assignable sex.

Unfortunately, for people like me, one's gender may not reveal itself until well after birth, as any necessary ways to exactly determine this are difficult to ascertain earlier.

The answer I was, hopefully, looking for was something like both, neither, non-binary, or the like. Or to be determined by the individual.

The confusion stems from the inflexible insistence there is only male or female. That is objectively false with the fact people are born intersexed. If that rigid binary is false than it calls into question the rigid classification of gender later on.

I agree, that binary is definitely false, maya

It should be up to the individual

I fully agree with that

and then society should embrace and foster that individual

True ... "Love thy neighbor as thyself"

There's a possibility this may never universally happen. That's scary.

Sadly that seems to be the case now

 

[stvdv]

I looked into this. While Musk does have a transgender daughter, she is very much alive.

True, as far as I know

If I'm mistaken about that, I'd be more than happy to read any legitimate link you have.

From this clip I got the impression that Elon meant "dead", but not in the literal sense

e.g.: I've gone through depression, one could call this "dead" also, as in "not sparkling with life"

YouTube, X, instagram, etc. don't qualify as legitimate links.

Many YouTubes still give quite a good idea

But I agree

Now that A.I. is flooding YouTube, I can trust nothing on it anymore ... I realised it once again after watching Trump and Musk dance together in below clip.

It looks funny but soon enjoy will turn endjoy

 

[Viker]

@Argentbear I found another very short clip on how certain Big Pharma drugs even "kills" people with gender dysphoria: Elon Musk's son this time. Seems my gut feeling was right

No one died. He refuses to accept his trans daughter. He is overreacting. It's not Big pharma's fault no more than taking an Ibuprofen to relieve a toothache is their fault. The toothache has other causes and the toothache causes suffering, somebody's just offering a viable solution to that pain.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

From this clip I got the impression that Elon meant "dead", but not in the literal sense

Ahhhhhh. Now it all makes sense.

 

[stvdv]

No one died.

Hence I wrote "kills" (quoted)

He refuses to accept his trans daughter.

Yes, sadly many parents have this flaw. It's a cruel flaw; judging others on their feelings or beliefs (faith).

She was depressed too, which is obvious if she can't be herself. I hope she recovers, not an easy road. Took me decennia.

The positive lesson I learned from my experience is, that "I never criticize feelings nor Faith of others". Which is very useful on my Spiritual Path to achieve "inner Peace"

 

[stvdv]

He is overreacting.

I try to interpret unbiased, just the facts:

1) Musk criticizing his daughters feelings would be wrong, as in Adharmic

a) I sympathize with the daughter in that case
b) I am not a fan of Elon Musk, and I would not be surprised if he will help ruin many American lives the coming 4 years. I hope I am wrong here, I rather see the good in people, Musk I don't know yet; it's a bit double

c) I sympathize with Musk on all the other points I mention below

2) Musk was right with "my son is dead", as the medicines sterilized his son

3) Musk was right, that it's wrong that he was tricked in signing documents. This is the second trick story I heard out of 2 stories. I trust this to be true, Big Pharma is not driven by Dharma

4) Musk criticizing Big Pharma is correct here.

And he would be an idiot to make claims that are lies, as he will be sued by Big Pharma instantly. Those claims I trust to be valid and I am glad Musk stands up against Goliath Big Pharma

And his final vow was a very powerful one. I respect Musk for that

It's not Big pharma's fault no more than taking an Ibuprofen to relieve a toothache is their fault.

That's not a fair assessment in this context
Did you listen to the full clip?

 

[1213]

I will do my best.

There are three elements that make up a person's sex: chromosomes, genitalia and secondary sex characteristics, and brain hardwiring. In MOST people all three are aligned. But in a minority they are not.

For one particular minority, their chromosomes and genitalia are one thing, but their brain hardwiring is the other. Because our brains essentially determine how we see ourselves, a transgendered individual will say they are a woman, despite having the chromosomes and genitalia of a male, or that they are a man, despite having the chromosomes and genitalia of a female. We have chosen to refer to this minority as "trans gendered." IOW while "sex" includes all three elements, gender refers to only one of them: brain hardwiring.

Thank you for the explanation.

If i understand correctly, the gender is then basically matter of mind, what a person thinks. This leads me to question, if a man thinks he is a woman, how would he know what it means? How would he define a woman?

And how is the condition different from someone telling today that he is the Napoleon and French people should obey him?

 

[1213]

that depends on the society they live in.

Allowed to have is not the same as can have. I think the only meaningful difference between men and women is that women can become pregnant and men can impregnate, if no disease or health problem.

 

[Argentbear]

@Argentbear I found another very short clip on how certain Big Pharma drugs even "kills" people with gender dysphoria: Elon Musk's son this time. Seems my gut feeling was right

You mean Vivian Wilson, and she is alive and well

 

[Argentbear]

2) Musk was right with "my son is dead",

What a horrible thing to say

3) Musk was right, that it's wrong that he was tricked in signing documents. This is the second trick story I heard out of 2 stories. I trust this to be true, Big Pharma is not driven by Dharma

His daughter denies there was any tricking

“I think he was under the assumption that I wasn’t going to say anything and I would just let this go unchallenged,” Wilson said in a phone interview. “Which I’m not going to do, because if you’re going to lie about me, like, blatantly to an audience of millions, I’m not just gonna let that slide.”


and when you think about it. Musk is a savvy businessman with an army of lawyers at his beck and call. He didn't get tricked. Informed consent isn't a document to trick anyone it spells out exactly what you are signing.

 

[Argentbear]

Thank you for the explanation.

If i understand correctly, the gender is then basically matter of mind, what a person thinks.

Gender is a societal construct that refers to the behaviors, attitudes, and feelings a culture associates with someone's biological sex

This leads me to question, if a man thinks he is a woman, how would he know what it means? How would he define a woman?

if a woman thinks she is a woman how would she know what it means? How would she define a woman?

And how is the condition different from someone telling today that he is the Napoleon and French people should obey him?

a delusion is a false belief or judgment about external reality, held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, occurring especially in mental conditions.
Trans people recognize what their physical body is and recognize that their internal experience does not match the physical. Trans people also identify themselves as trans not as a man or a woman. I am a trans woman or I am a trans man.