To Blaspheme or not to Blaspheme?

[ChristineM]

My answer was to say, as a white guy being a muslim i am looked at as a traitor to the Norwegian people, few people here like muslims.
So it was a reply to that non muslims or muslims alike has difficulty in todays world because we look at each other with disrespect and ignorance.

So not atheist then...

And that disrespect and ignorance surely isnt due to Muslims flying planes into buildings, shooting people in the street, driving trucks into children and chopping off old ladies heads in church?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

My answer was to say, as a white guy being a muslim i am looked at as a traitor to the Norwegian people, few people here like muslims.
So it was a reply to that non muslims or muslims alike has difficulty in todays world because we look at each other with disrespect and ignorance.

A traitor, wow. According to people in Norway, what are you "supposed" to be?

When I was in the Church, a black man looked at me and thought I was in the black southern Baptist church. Then I told him I'm at the church up the street, and he says "so you disowned us, huh?" and he also mentioned he thought the catholic church was just for whites and hispanics. Though I'm no longer christian (never believed in a creator), it still perturbs me. If I told him today I was no longer christian, he'd probably faint.

 

[Spirit of Light]

So not atheist then...

And that disrespect and ignorance surely isnt due to Muslims flying planes into buildings, shooting people in the street, driving trucks into children and chopping off old ladies heads in church?

Those muslims who do those evil deeds are bad people no doubt about that, but its not even 1% of the worlds muslims who would even dream of doing that.

 

[ChristineM]

There are unfortunately a few who harm others from a religious view they hold, that is of course not acceptable in our world, we should try end any for of voilance, be it by weapon or spoken evil words.
I do not support any terror but i do not support blasphemy or ridicule either.

My view is only mine, i dont speak for others, nor do i have anymore a personal problem with other people or religions or atheists. My part in this discussion was only to gain understanding of why ridicule and blasphemy happens.

Not sure i have become any more wise

Blasphemy was struck off the statute books over 300 years ago in france, one cannot commit blasphemy in france.

So this terror is not because of blasphemy, it is down to the thin skin of religion

 

[Spirit of Light]

A traitor, wow. According to people in Norway, what are you "supposed" to be?

When I was in the Church, a black man looked at me and thought I was in the black southern Baptist church. Then I told him I'm at the church up the street, and he says "so you disowned us, huh?" and he also mentioned he thought the catholic church was just for whites and hispanics. Though I'm no longer christian (never believed in a creator), it still perturbs me. If I told him today I was no longer christian, he'd probably faint.

If i said i was Christian or atheist here in Norway, nobody would raise an eyebrow. But muslim, that is scary for them

 

[ChristineM]

Those muslims who do those evil deeds are bad people no doubt about that, but its not even 1% of the worlds muslims who would even dream of doing that.

Probably much much less than 1%, i saw a percentage while daesh was at its height of around 0.06% of Muslims are terrorist. Since then daesh has gone more or less the way if the dodo. However even such a small percentage can represent a lot of terror and death, as france knows only too well.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Probably much much less than 1%, i saw a percentage while daesh was at its height of around 0.06% of Muslims are terrorist. Since then daesh has gone more or less the way if the dodo. However even such a small percentage can represent a lot of terror and death, as france knows only too well.

Yes, even one person doing harm to an other human being is one to many, no matter what religion or non religion we come from

 

[Heyo]

To Blaspheme or Not to Blaspheme?

There is a huge difference between criticizing religions (being critical), as in "not blindly accept things", and blaspheming (the red part). It can be compared with the RF Rules. Criticize ideas all you want, just don't get personal, as in bullying, insulting or showing contempt.

RF Rules seem to be quite useful guidelines, and all can learn a lot from them


What are your thoughts on this subject? Would you do it differently than Macron did? Is this an important issue, needing to be solved?

Sorry, I can't answer your poll.
If you mean blasphemy should not be a crime in my country, then yes and yes to 1 - 5.
If you mean that we should export our morals all over the world, then, no, I don't think so.
That's the nice thing about diversity, you can choose the society you want to live in. If you can't stand the heat, don't go into the kitchen.

 

[stvdv]

Number 2, though, I wasn't referring to that. I'd have to re-read the OP. I was just referring to insults in general and how people react to them (and in my opinion should react in a healthy way both the person giving the insult and the person experiencing the affects of it)

This whole Muslim issue revolves mainly around this; they try to control what we should or should not do; that I call narcissistic

But it is true that the underlying mental condition in narcissists is severe and most of the time hard to cure as it originated before age 4

But we should never let a narcissist let us dictate our lives; that is a very unhealthy thing to do and even Adharmic

 

[stvdv]

Sorry, I can't answer your poll.
If you mean blasphemy should not be a crime in my country, then yes and yes to 1 - 5.
If you mean that we should export our morals all over the world, then, no, I don't think so.
That's the nice thing about diversity, you can choose the society you want to live in. If you can't stand the heat, don't go into the kitchen.

You could answer the poll. You can select all 10 items; they are 5 opposites, you can even select 2 which are opposites, why not?

e.g.: IF you agree with killing those who blaspheme in a country that has a Law to kill them then select option 6

 

[stvdv]

Sorry, I can't answer your poll.

I really thought I made it simple, by offering opposites, so all can choose. But I guess not simple enough

For example: "04: I agree with Macron fighting against (religious) extremism"

This means that you agree with Macron, that he is fighting against (religious) extremism. Within this context of the France killings, it means of course the extremists who kill. IF you agree that it is good to fight against these who kill you select 4. IF you do not agree then you select 09

And IF you agree "to fight against...." and also not agree "fight against...." (depending on the situation) THEN you can select both 04+09

No need to think too much. I try to make it simple always

Note: I place (religious) to indicate it's not only Muslim extremists Macron wants to fight

 

[stvdv]

This is quite a disturbing message (which twitter removed) that can have horrific consequences (taken from this 2min video)

Looks like Hitler all over again. I think we still live in a world with many potential Hitlers; hence fighting extremism is paramount

But it also shows that killing is not even forgotten, even hundreds of years later people justify killing with historic events

 

[Father Heathen]

If you mean that we should export our morals all over the world, then, no, I don't think so.

What about cultures that deny human rights and practice especially heinous **** like "bacha bazi"?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I am a solid and firm believer in blasphemy as a basic, unalienable human right.

 

[viole]

To Blaspheme or Not to Blaspheme?

There is a huge difference between criticizing religions (being critical), as in "not blindly accept things", and blaspheming (the red part). It can be compared with the RF Rules. Criticize ideas all you want, just don't get personal, as in bullying, insulting or showing contempt.

RF Rules seem to be quite useful guidelines, and all can learn a lot from them


What are your thoughts on this subject? Would you do it differently than Macron did? Is this an important issue, needing to be solved?

I believe that renouncing ridiculing religions, because some would feel their feelings hurt, would be like renouncing addressing the main ecumenic characteristic all belief systems share.

ciao

- viole

 

[stvdv]

I am a solid and firm believer in blasphemy as a basic, unalienable human right.

Your reply made me view it from a different POV

We are living in Kali Yuga according to Hinduism, which means the Yuga where people are most cruel etc.
Probably blasphemy is needed because the religions are not pure, hence they need to be corrected, that's why blasphemy is needed
When religions would be without flaw then blasphemy would not be needed, and probably not even used (spontaneously, without being demanded)

 

[Shadow Wolf]

We are living in Kali Yuga according to Hinduism

I was doing some research and have some questions:
How do you pronounce the differences and denote between this demon Kali and the goddess Kali? (I did at first think it was Kali the goddess until I looked and discovered there is a Kali demon that this refers to).

 

[Polymath257]

So not atheist then...

And that disrespect and ignorance surely isnt due to Muslims flying planes into buildings, shooting people in the street, driving trucks into children and chopping off old ladies heads in church?

Or, the general intolerance of any depiction of Mohammad or criticism of their religion?

 

[stvdv]

demon Kali and the goddess Kali

Yes, better to know the difference, you don't want to invoke the wrong one

The goddess Kaali is pronounced as KAA - LEE ( The KAA is the lomg one as in CAN'T)
The personality of Kali is pronounced as KUH LEE (The kuh as in CUT).

Note: Sai Baba told us "address the correct deity is like a letter ... use the Name as address and the Form as stamp". So, maybe Kali Maa will appear, even if you mispronounce Her Name but also think of Her form. She might even come to educate you, how to pronounce it correctly

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yes, better to know the difference, you don't want to invoke the wrong one

Ill be honest, either one would probably have me dying of a freight induced heart attack.