To Blaspheme or not to Blaspheme?

[stvdv]

Ill be honest, either one would probably have me dying of a freight induced heart attack

Once I had Kali Maa appear to me (unasked), touching me and She told me "Now you will experience something" ... instantly my mind went crazy, I had the most horrible nightmare even when awake walking on street. I thought I suffered schizophrenia or something like that. It only lasted one year fortunately. Was quite a while ago in 1997.

I have been wondering lately "why don't I pray to Kali Ma". I forgot about this incident, but probably subconsciously I still knew it too well
So, I will start praying to Kali Maa from now on. I am ready for another shot of Her

 

[stvdv]

Ill be honest, either one would probably have me dying of a freight induced heart attack.

I would prefer Kali Maa

But when googling on Her, She might even be a bit too much for me (I better not post Her picture on RF; She might violate the Rules).

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I would prefer Kali Maa

But when googling on Her, She might even be a bit too much for me (I better not post Her picture on RF; She might violate the Rules).

I really like that picture of her.

 

[stvdv]

I really like that picture of her.

#MeToo. I wish I could post it on RF, but I think She is too sexy

I would love Kali Maa to appear dressed like this in my room tonight

 

[Shadow Wolf]

#MeToo. I wish I could post it on RF, but I think She is too sexy

I'm more attracted to the fierce, fiery, strength and unbreakable will.

 

[74x12]

To Blaspheme or Not to Blaspheme?

There is a huge difference between criticizing religions (being critical), as in "not blindly accept things", and blaspheming (the red part). It can be compared with the RF Rules. Criticize ideas all you want, just don't get personal, as in bullying, insulting or showing contempt.

RF Rules seem to be quite useful guidelines, and all can learn a lot from them


What are your thoughts on this subject? Would you do it differently than Macron did? Is this an important issue, needing to be solved?

Freedom of speech is one of the most fundamental human rights western society was built on. If people can't handle it then they shouldn't have come to a western country. Personally I would not insult Islam or Muslims just because I can. However, I might say some things they find offensive just by speaking my own beliefs which are contradictory. But to insult them just to make them angry is wrong. But I have to agree people have the right to do so if they want; even though I think it's morally wrong or at best misguided.

But Muslims should remember it's this same freedom of speech that allows them to preach and teach their religion in Western countries which traditionally are not Islamic. So the freedom of speech is a double edged sword. Love it or hate it; it's the best thing we can come up with to be fair to everyone.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

What would be the purpose of such a drawing? To **** off religious people?
I do not support action seen by some muslims over drawings, but i do not understand the need for such drawing either

There's a belief amongst some Australian Aboriginals that the dead shouldn't be named or depicted. In certain parts of Australia, and in certain television channels this practise is followed, and in others there are warnings if a deceased person will be depicted. But on the whole, this is not commonly done.

What are your thoughts about that? What if an Aboriginal with such beliefs resides in Norway, or Dubai?

Mourning an Aboriginal death

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Strange that non believers can do all the mocking they want, but if a believer say something "negative " about atheists then oohh its so bad, where is the logic in that?

You can say whatever you want negatively about atheism. It's a very small target, and people attacking it generally either misrepresent it (for example, their issue is secularism rather than atheism) or attack it for what it's not (ie. It doesn't provide moral guidance).

So we might correct you. And you might think we're 'saying ooh and ah'.

Atheism is a very small and uninformative thing, really.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Isnt mocking a way of oppression toward those who are mocced?

If you mock Donald Trump you're oppressing him?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I do agree we are all have a right to believe what we do, but in my book mocking is wrong, that is a big reason why i have stopped my "quest" to stop atheism. That thought i had was so wrong, i can not tell others what is right for them, but i can stand up for the values i believe in my self.

I agree with your sentiment, but speaking for myself feel free to tell me when I'm wrong.
I like hearing other perspectives.

Can't guarantee I'll agree or change, but still...

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

At the end of the day, what is blasphemy, really? Isn't it just saying, "I don't believe what you do believe?"

So we have an obvious solution: just prove that what you believe is unassailably true, and then you no longer have to charge people with blasphemy, but with being simply incorrect!

 

[stvdv]

#MeToo. I wish I could post it on RF, but I think She is too sexy

I'm more attracted to the fierce, fiery, strength and unbreakable will.

Yes #MeToo, but RF Rules have a problem with Her looking sexy not with her being fierce, hence I can't post it

 

[stvdv]

You can say whatever you want negatively about atheism. It's a very small target, and people attacking it generally either misrepresent it (for example, their issue is secularism rather than atheism) or attack it for what it's not (ie. It doesn't provide moral guidance).

So we might correct you. And you might think we're 'saying ooh and ah'.

Atheism is a very small and uninformative thing, really.

Very informative. I never gave Atheism much thought, and that was not needed, as Atheism just means "lack of belief in God"

I like Theism for all the inspiring Teachings they offer on how to improve myself and the Quest it offers

The Divine part I call the mysterious Great Unknown. Science knows maybe an infinitesimal part of it. So, whether you are an Atheist or a Theist you have know clue about the Great Unknown, it's all just guesswork, hence the word belief is used.

I can't define God, so I can't say I believe in God, because then I first have to define God
So, after all I lack belief in God, hence I am an Atheist, as simple as that
I am also a Theist, because Sanathana Dharma does not require me to believe in God

So, I am an Atheistic Theist

BUT

I could create my own definition of God, and then I can say "I believe in God", then I would not be an Atheist

THEN

I am a Creative Theist
@stvdvRF1

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Very informative. I never gave Atheism much thought, and that was not needed, as Atheism just means "lack of belief in God"

I like Theism for all the inspiring Teachings they offer on how to improve myself and the Quest it offers

The Divine part I call the mysterious Great Unknown. Science knows maybe an infinitesimal part of it. So, whether you are an Atheist or a Theist you have know clue about the Great Unknown, it's all just guesswork, hence the word belief is used.

I can't define God, so I can't say I believe in God, because then I first have to define God
So, after all I lack belief in God, hence I am an Atheist, as simple as that
I am also a Theist, because Sanathana Dharma does not require me to believe in God

So, I am an Atheistic Theist

BUT

I could create my own definition of God, and then I can say "I believe in God", then I would not be an Atheist

THEN

I am a Theist

Just a question, or clarification, I guess. Are you sure you're an atheistic theist. You sound more like a religious atheist. Ultimately the labels are unimportant anyway, just trying to understand.

 

[stvdv]

Just a question, or clarification, I guess. Are you sure you're an atheistic theist. You sound more like a religious atheist. Ultimately the labels are unimportant anyway, just trying to understand.

Agreed, labels don't cut it

Thank you for the excellent question
As it throws me back to the Real Question

Who Am I

Theism is just a bundle of concepts, that is not Who I Am

"I am not a Theist"

Atheism is just 1 concept (lack of belief in God), that is not Who I Am

"I am not an Atheist"

More and more I understand these Wise Indian Realized Souls
When such a Question is asked, Silence remains
@stvdvRF1

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Agreed, labels don't cut it

Thank you for the excellent question
As it throws me back to the Real Question

Who Am I

Theism are just a bundle of concept, that is not Who I Am

"I am not a Theist"

Atheism is just 1 concept (lack of belief in God), that is not Who I Am

"I am not am Atheist"

More and more I understand these Wise Indian Realized Souls
Responding in Silence, when such a Question is asked
@stvdvRF

*tips hat*

All good. I've lost track of how many times I've been told I am something because I'm an atheist. It can be positive or negative (eg. I've been told I'm a nihilist, and also told I'm rational, purely because of the label of atheism). In neither case does it make a lot of sense to me.

So...I hear ya.
For me, I tend to still respond to such questions, but the labels are not the thing, and it can be hard enough for me to understand me and all my dubious depths, let alone someone else I'm conversing with over the internet...lol

 

[Heyo]

What about cultures that deny human rights and practice especially heinous **** like "bacha bazi"?

You can't save them all, especially not those who don't want to be "saved".
We may use non violent measures like boycotts and we may discuss the morality of their "heinous ****" if they are up to it but all with the thought in mind that morality is relative.
I wouldn't want to live in a country where people are frequently legally killed (which is denying a basic human right) but what can or should I do when the people living there are OK with it?

 

[Spirit of Light]

There's a belief amongst some Australian Aboriginals that the dead shouldn't be named or depicted. In certain parts of Australia, and in certain television channels this practise is followed, and in others there are warnings if a deceased person will be depicted. But on the whole, this is not commonly done.

What are your thoughts about that? What if an Aboriginal with such beliefs resides in Norway, or Dubai?

Mourning an Aboriginal death

I do not tell others what to do or believe, so do as they want

 

[Spirit of Light]

If you mock Donald Trump you're oppressing him?

In a way yes.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I agree with your sentiment, but speaking for myself feel free to tell me when I'm wrong.
I like hearing other perspectives.

Can't guarantee I'll agree or change, but still...

You have never Even a problem for me in RF. Other has