To defeat creationist, must you defeat their religion????

[outhouse]

I have seen thousands of post where qualified people have debated the creation myth with logic, reason, truth and reality.

The same creationist ignore, plagiarize and repost nonsence. they refuse to learn.

for 150 years science has let them and their myths play at a cost to the betterment of humanity.

I say enough is enough. Its time to go after the foundation in which they base all their beliefs on.

Evolution stands on its own, yet we have roughly a %60 belief in creation.

My take is if you cant make the horse drink, but its really easy to bring the water to them

Is it time in this modern world to expose the religious myths for what they are for the betterment of humanity???

 

[BeeBooga]

It may be time, but I doubt it will be happening any time soon.

It'd be nice to be free of religion.

 

[outhouse]

It may be time, but I doubt it will be happening any time soon.

It'd be nice to be free of religion.

Im not %100 against religion. Its great for the old sick and dieing to give them comfort.

when it comes to genesis and a literal interpretation the war should be on.

 

[doppelganger]

You misunderstand the purpose and function of "Creationism." Hint: It is NOT meant to explain the diversity of life on Earth. You're up against forces that are deeper than religious belief.

 

[Breathe]

Do you mean OP, that you want to "attack" (for lack of a better term) the creation myths, or you want to "attack" the religions themselves to get rid of the religious beliefs because of the creation myths that come with the majority of religions being taken as literal by a small amount of people?

 

[outhouse]

Do you mean OP, that you want to "attack" (for lack of a better term) the creation myths, or you want to "attack" the religions themselves to get rid of the religious beliefs because of the creation myths that come with the majority of religions being taken as literal by a small amount of people?

you call %60 of the population in the US "small"

lack of a better term, go work on that. Thats not how I define bringing reality into the light.

I do not mean destroy religion.

I do mean instead of having religion fighting science and science standing on its own, against religious attacks

people not science should tell the known truth and history about the creation of genesis.

 

[outhouse]

You misunderstand the purpose and function of "Creationism." Hint: It is NOT meant to explain the diversity of life on Earth. You're up against forces that are deeper than religious belief.

no I understand the creation myth all to well and the ignorance associated with it.

creation does not nor has it ever explained the diversity of life

im up against forces deeper then religious belief???? do tell

 

[David M]

I have seen thousands of post where qualified people have debated the creation myth with logic, reason, truth and reality.

The same creationist ignore, plagiarize and repost nonsence. they refuse to learn.

for 150 years science has let them and their myths play at a cost to the betterment of humanity.

I say enough is enough. Its time to go after the foundation in which they base all their beliefs on.

Evolution stands on its own, yet we have roughly a %60 belief in creation.

My take is if you cant make the horse drink, but its really easy to bring the water to them

Is it time in this modern world to expose the religious myths for what they are for the betterment of humanity???

Except that fundie creationist christianity is very much an american abberation in the western hemisphere. In Europe, even in countries that are majority christian, the acceptance of evolution and the rejection of YEC and OEC is much, much higher then in the US.

An evolution denying politician would have difficulty getting elected in the UK, and we have no problems with electing proclaimed atheists.

 

[Breathe]

you call %60 of the population in the US "small"

Oh right. I forget you guys have a problem with creationists. It very rare here.

I do not mean destroy religion.

I never asked you if you meant destroy, I asked if you mean "attack", as in fight against religion itself, because then you're also attacking creationism and creationists, or to fight against creationism to fight against creationists.

I do mean instead of having religion fighting science and science standing on its own, against religious attacks

people not science should tell the known truth and history about the creation of genesis.

I understand and agree that science should not be impeded by religion.


I'm taking it from your answer that you meant fight/destroy creationism and religious interference in politics and science, as opposed to religion itself.

 

[outhouse]

Except that fundie creationist christianity is very much an american abberation in the western hemisphere. In Europe, even in countries that are majority christian, the acceptance of evolution and the rejection of YEC and OEC is much, much higher then in the US.

An evolution denying politician would have difficulty getting elected in the UK, and we have no problems with electing proclaimed atheists.

Understood, only Turkey is worse then the USA in creation belief. It is embarrassing.

here it would be political death as well, due to ignorant belief

 

[outhouse]

I'm taking it from your answer that you meant fight/destroy creationism and religious interference in politics and science, as opposed to religion itself.

yes and I feel going after genesis is a great start as its so easy to prove fiction and mythical. [yet this is the foundation of creationism]

 

[Breathe]

Such a simple objective [point out the absurdity of creationism], with such a lot of resistance.

 

[blackout]

I have seen thousands of post where qualified people have debated the creation myth with logic, reason, truth and reality.

The same creationist ignore, plagiarize and repost nonsence. they refuse to learn.

for 150 years science has let them and their myths play at a cost to the betterment of humanity.

I say enough is enough. Its time to go after the foundation in which they base all their beliefs on.

Evolution stands on its own, yet we have roughly a %60 belief in creation.

My take is if you cant make the horse drink, but its really easy to bring the water to them

Is it time in this modern world to expose the religious myths for what they are for the betterment of humanity???

Why, oh why, oh why...
do you really care so much.


You sound like you've got your pitchfork
and you're ready to go burn (select) peoples' towns and churches down.
(the one's you don't like)

How's about each person just focus on bettering his or her own Self.
We each live a short life anyway.
Go do something. You know?
Something YOU like doing,
instead of busying yourself with OTHER peoples' stuff.

Or perhaps someday your science foundations might wind up rubble,
in someone else's zealous mission to better the world.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

As far as I'm aware, the only way to defeat a creationist is to find and destroy the seven magical horcruxes that hold an essence of their infernal soul.

 

[outhouse]

Why, oh why, oh why...
do you really care so much.


You sound like you've got your pitchfork
and you're ready to go burn (select) peoples' towns and churches down.
(the one's you don't like)

How's about each person just focus on bettering his or her own Self.
We each live a short life anyway.
Go do something. You know?
Something YOU like doing,
instead of busying yourself with OTHER peoples' stuff.

Or perhaps someday your science foundations might wind up rubble,
in someone else's zealous mission to better the world.

because being passive has never worked for a worthy cause

im not going after religion with a pitchfork, just a different method of education.

my whole point is put them on defense instead of offense

 

[outhouse]

As far as I'm aware, the only way to defeat a creationist is to find and destroy the seven magical horcruxes that hold an essence of their infernal soul.

I dont think educating people on myths with a myth is the answer either.

Comedy helps as many mainstream ventures go after creationism. Gatta love family guys take on it

 

[blackout]

I have seen thousands of post where qualified people have debated the creation myth with logic, reason, truth and reality.

The same creationist ignore, plagiarize and repost nonsence. they refuse to learn.

for 150 years science has let them and their myths play at a cost to the betterment of humanity.

I say enough is enough. Its time to go after the foundation in which they base all their beliefs on.

Evolution stands on its own, yet we have roughly a %60 belief in creation.

My take is if you cant make the horse drink, but its really easy to bring the water to them

Is it time in this modern world to expose the religious myths for what they are for the betterment of humanity???

Are we burning down the foundations of only those folks
who have other ideas besides evolution?

Which groups would that include?
(christianity, islam?_______ fill in the blank)
Are we burning down only select myths?
Or are we then going whole hog
to pillage and destroy ALL mythologies
that you don't approve of....

And what of people who simply don't trust institution (ie people) in general.
(and therefore don't just trust what people say and do
simply because they're part of some larger institution,
and wear a white robe, in place of a black one)

Perhaps it is a myth, that society runs in an honest and above board manner.
That money, has any REAL value or backing, is a myth.
So many myths, I will not even get started.
Let's just destroy the entire societal foundation,
and make the world a better place.

 

[outhouse]

Are we burning down the foundations of only those folks
who have other ideas besides evolution?


Which groups would that include?
(christianity, islam?_______ fill in the blank)
Are we burning down only select myths?
Or are we then going whole hog
to pillage and destroy ALL mythologies
that you don't approve of....

And what of people who simply don't trust institution (ie people) in general.
(and therefore don't just trust what people say and do
simply because they're part of some larger institution,
and wear a white robe, in place of a black one)

Perhaps it is a myth, that society runs in an honest and above board manner.
That money, has any REAL value or backing, is a myth.
So many myths, I will not even get started.
Let's just destroy the entire societal foundation,
and make the world a better place.

your taking what im working on and put your personal huge twist on it

evolution is not a idea but rather a observation of facts.

im not saying to tear down any of the myths

 

[Mercy Not Sacrifice]

I have seen thousands of post where qualified people have debated the creation myth with logic, reason, truth and reality.

The same creationist ignore, plagiarize and repost nonsence. they refuse to learn.

for 150 years science has let them and their myths play at a cost to the betterment of humanity.

I say enough is enough. Its time to go after the foundation in which they base all their beliefs on.

Evolution stands on its own, yet we have roughly a %60 belief in creation.

My take is if you cant make the horse drink, but its really easy to bring the water to them

Is it time in this modern world to expose the religious myths for what they are for the betterment of humanity???

The problem is not so much religion per se as is fundamentalism. It is perfectly plausible to believe in God and accept evolution at the same time. All that is required is to accept that the Genesis creation story is an allegory. But therein lies the problem: Fundamentalism forces its followers to fall fully for its fabricated fantasy (alliteration intended!) and militantly refuse to listen to the slightest idea that questions any of it.

Why, oh why, oh why...
do you really care so much.


You sound like you've got your pitchfork
and you're ready to go burn (select) peoples' towns and churches down.
(the one's you don't like)

How's about each person just focus on bettering his or her own Self.
We each live a short life anyway.
Go do something. You know?
Something YOU like doing,
instead of busying yourself with OTHER peoples' stuff.

Or perhaps someday your science foundations might wind up rubble,
in someone else's zealous mission to better the world.

We would be more than happy to let creationists be if they would just LEAVE US ALONE. But they are unwilling to. They force creationism into classrooms, they elect politicians simply because they do not accept evolution science, and they attempt to shout down any rational debate.

UV, it is violent what the creationists are doing. It is greatly unfortunate. But I cannot emphasize enough that those of us who accept science DID NOT CHOOSE TO START THIS. It is the creationists who lie in the name of truth, not the evolutionists.

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

Lets get something clear atheists..

Only some christian denominations and influential talking heads rigidly hold on to creationism and Muslims are just as divided on the subject...and there is no centralised islamic orthodoxy to make it clear..as for my religion evolution is seen as a miracle in itself...the expression of order from the chaos latent in the very fabric of matter...I wholeheartedly accept evolution.

Only in america is the creationist lobby strong, in europe it is non existent.

So wage your athiest crusade upon your US christian fundies/evangelists, only I am absolutely certain they will more than happy to reciprocate any aggression or attempts at suppression.
Making martyrs of christians is the worse mistake you can make....
They will all notice...and so will us Luciferians & Gnostics and the Muslims and the Hindus, if you persecute the christians for their beliefs however irrational they might be then you are threat to all of us.

Think on...