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To end the election tonight

Wirey

Fartist
Please allow me to preface this by saying I'm Canadian, and I am genuinely trying to get some feedback from you Yankee Doodles.

It seems to me that Trump has an actual historic opportunity tonight. After surviving the assassination attempt, and naming JD Vance as his VP, he can come out on stage and say something like "Look, we may disagree about some little stuff, but we all agree on the big stuff. I want to take America to the next level, to better the country for all of us, a thousand points of light, blah blah, blah...." and capture the entire centrist vote. After what happened Saturday, I believe an approach like this would be a mortal lock in Canada, especially if the opponent looked as weak as Biden has lately. I guess I wonder, can Trump speak like that and appease his own support, and would it work?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I guess I wonder, can Trump speak like that and appease his own support...
He gained power by inspiring division. I observe
that people strongly tend to stick with what's been
working for them. It becomes their identity.
So I don't think he could ever change that way.
....and would it work?
It would gain him some on the fence.
It would alienate the spiritual warriors.
So who knows.
 

Wu Wei

ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
Please allow me to preface this by saying I'm Canadian, and I am genuinely trying to get some feedback from you Yankee Doodles.

It seems to me that Trump has an actual historic opportunity tonight. After surviving the assassination attempt, and naming JD Vance as his VP, he can come out on stage and say something like "Look, we may disagree about some little stuff, but we all agree on the big stuff. I want to take America to the next level, to better the country for all of us, a thousand points of light, blah blah, blah...." and capture the entire centrist vote. After what happened Saturday, I believe an approach like this would be a mortal lock in Canada, especially if the opponent looked as weak as Biden has lately. I guess I wonder, can Trump speak like that and appease his own support, and would it work?
Waaaaaaaaaay to much political division in this country at the moment..... a lot of hatred and distrust from both sides aimed at the other side. But then that appears to be the way it is with just about everything in this country at the moment..... everybody seems to be taking sides of various issues and none are willing to talk or debate...... screaming, yelling, insults and name calling seem to be the way things go today
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
Please allow me to preface this by saying I'm Canadian, and I am genuinely trying to get some feedback from you Yankee Doodles.

It seems to me that Trump has an actual historic opportunity tonight. After surviving the assassination attempt, and naming JD Vance as his VP, he can come out on stage and say something like "Look, we may disagree about some little stuff, but we all agree on the big stuff. I want to take America to the next level, to better the country for all of us, a thousand points of light, blah blah, blah...." and capture the entire centrist vote. After what happened Saturday, I believe an approach like this would be a mortal lock in Canada, especially if the opponent looked as weak as Biden has lately. I guess I wonder, can Trump speak like that and appease his own support, and would it work?

His strategy to attract voters will be less about appealing to "centrists" per se, and more about appealing to the populist sentiment of people from various political perspectives (or who aren't especially political at all). You already saw this with JD Vance's speech where he went after "Wall Street" and "big business" and "America's ruling class" and free trade deals that "sent good jobs to Mexico," yada yada.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Please allow me to preface this by saying I'm Canadian, and I am genuinely trying to get some feedback from you Yankee Doodles.

It seems to me that Trump has an actual historic opportunity tonight. After surviving the assassination attempt, and naming JD Vance as his VP, he can come out on stage and say something like "Look, we may disagree about some little stuff, but we all agree on the big stuff. I want to take America to the next level, to better the country for all of us, a thousand points of light, blah blah, blah...." and capture the entire centrist vote. After what happened Saturday, I believe an approach like this would be a mortal lock in Canada, especially if the opponent looked as weak as Biden has lately. I guess I wonder, can Trump speak like that and appease his own support, and would it work?
I think that depends on how well he can bring people together with a second term. That's why I like Vance, however the promises that are made will only take on a provisional purpose because as most of us know, a promise is a promise sure, but a promise fulfilled is a whole another animal that is going to require a substantial amount of unity and hand shaking across the aisle.
 

Regiomontanus

Eastern Orthodox
After surviving the assassination attempt, and naming JD Vance as his VP, he can come out on stage and say something like "Look, we may disagree about some little stuff, but we all agree on the big stuff.

I think that is actually backwards. IMHO, it is exactly the big stuff that we disagree on. Climate change, specie extinction, the acidification of the oceans, land conservation,... The modern GOP are extremely dangerous precisely because they do not care about the 'big stuff,' assuming protecting the biosphere is something you think is important.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Please allow me to preface this by saying I'm Canadian, and I am genuinely trying to get some feedback from you Yankee Doodles.

It seems to me that Trump has an actual historic opportunity tonight. After surviving the assassination attempt, and naming JD Vance as his VP, he can come out on stage and say something like "Look, we may disagree about some little stuff, but we all agree on the big stuff. I want to take America to the next level, to better the country for all of us, a thousand points of light, blah blah, blah...." and capture the entire centrist vote. After what happened Saturday, I believe an approach like this would be a mortal lock in Canada, especially if the opponent looked as weak as Biden has lately. I guess I wonder, can Trump speak like that and appease his own support, and would it work?
If your Canadian way brought you to
Trudeau, of what use is your way?
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Please allow me to preface this by saying I'm Canadian, and I am genuinely trying to get some feedback from you Yankee Doodles.

It seems to me that Trump has an actual historic opportunity tonight. After surviving the assassination attempt, and naming JD Vance as his VP, he can come out on stage and say something like "Look, we may disagree about some little stuff, but we all agree on the big stuff. I want to take America to the next level, to better the country for all of us, a thousand points of light, blah blah, blah...." and capture the entire centrist vote. After what happened Saturday, I believe an approach like this would be a mortal lock in Canada, especially if the opponent looked as weak as Biden has lately. I guess I wonder, can Trump speak like that and appease his own support, and would it work?
He can say anything he likes, but people who have really listened to him for any length of time knows he lies habitually -- is almost incapable of not lying. Now he's chosen a VP who is lying with equal abandon about how great Trump is, when he has a history of loudly proclaiming the exact opposite.

Well, Donald Trump has not changed a hair, so how can Vance really hope to be believed when his own opinion of the man has turned a full 180 degrees? Either the man has had a stroke, or he's lying for his own gain -- the very model of his new hero.

And Trump cannot come out on the stage and reject the Republican platform as it is now before us all. A platform full of empty promises, promises that cannot be kept, promises that will absolutely have terrible consequences (tarriffs will increase inflation without any doubt), and change the Constitution in ways that are likely to make it difficult or impossible to elect the other party in future (impairing democracy).

Trump's base is just bat-poop crazy, but all House and Senate members are craven liars, hoping for nothing more than their own personal hold on power. And they mean to keep it forever.

Oh, and I'm Canadian, too, and I disagree with you. Canadians aren't quite so gullible about their politicians, because we're not pretending to be the world's greatest everything.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
t seems to me that Trump has an actual historic opportunity tonight. After surviving the assassination attempt, and naming JD Vance as his VP, he can come out on stage and say something like "Look, we may disagree about some little stuff, but we all agree on the big stuff.

You clearly do not understand Trump. You clearly do not understand the implication of picking Vance.

It is a dangerous and near unfathomable naivete.
 

Spice

StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
My thought is that Trump is going to claim a "come to Jesus" moment, which he already has said Saturday was a wake-up call that makes him look at life differently, and from that he's going to wrap and tie his base in Evangelical style, while getting his "team" to carry on with his original hard-core shtick like the background hustlers of old-time traveling tent healers.

I've already seen evidence of divine intervention and have been told by a hard-core follower that nothing can happen to him, because he has been chosen from above.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
My thought is that Trump is going to claim a "come to Jesus" moment, which he already has said Saturday was a wake-up call that makes him look at life differently, and from that he's going to wrap and tie his base in Evangelical style, while getting his "team" to carry on with his original hard-core shtick like the background hustlers of old-time traveling tent healers.

I've already seen evidence of divine intervention and have been told by a hard-core follower that nothing can happen to him, because he has been chosen from above.
IMO anyone that thinks god brought forth Trump is ....... ...... Well I can't say it so I will go with ignorant.
God involved with politics. What the hell else will people believe.

Edit....

If god was involved he would have taken both Trump and Biden off the race ticket lol
 

Spice

StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
IMO anyone that thinks god brought forth Trump is ....... ...... Well I can't say it so I will go with ignorant.
God involved with politics. What the hell else will people believe.

Edit....

If god was involved he would have taken both Trump and Biden off the race ticket lol
I can't disagree, but they're out here in mass!
 

Wirey

Fartist
You clearly do not understand Trump. You clearly do not understand the implication of picking Vance.

It is a dangerous and near unfathomable naivete.
Republicans know how to win. If this was a basketball game the Dems would be the Washington Generals. My point was, they've set themselves up to win, and this could have been an easy lay up.
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
Did anyone here watch his entire speech? It was 93 minutes long and rambling from what I have read. No mention of abortion rights or 2A.
 
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