• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

To The Anti Gay Religious

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
I don't feel a great need to attempt draw things from stuff -at least not immediately.

When I read things people write -or as I go about my day and life -I just draw stuff in as accurately as possible.

I try not to try to sort it all out then and there. I give it time to bounce around in whatever process might be happening up in my brain.
(It's kinda weird to think that you don't always know what you're thinking)

Then I draw from whatever it is my brain did with it later -then may actively and consciously process it.

When I write something like the above, it's not necessarily a conclusion or some absolute point every time -just some information another may or may not allow into their brain.

.....and stuff :)


Gotcha.

Thanks
 

ZooGirl02

Well-Known Member
I don't think its anyone's business what other people do, if any religion is against homosexuals then their not a religion at all, their just a hate machine, spewing their hate onto anyone who doesn't agree with them.

By this logic then most of the world's religions are not really religions at all. Frankly, I disagree.
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
It is everyone's business what everyone else does only when we do the wrong things.

Most everyone is opposed, on some level, to something someone else does.

We all affect each other -we all inhabit the same reality -therefore, there is an optimal way of doing things.

It is the balance between individualism and collectivism which eludes us.
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
< ------ THREAD ENDER STRIKES AGAIN! Muhuhahahahahahahahaha!

Seriously, though. Ever get the feeling that when you show up everyone has somewhere else to be? :oops:
 

gsa

Well-Known Member
Aren't most world religions against lgbt equality?

Traditionally, Abrahamic religions. Notably, however, Jews have a liberal component that is not anti-gay and the Orthodox often distinguish personal practice from civil law. Christianity is divided along conservative and liberal branches/approaches, but historically quite anti-gay.

Hinduism and Buddhism, to me, seem to say next to nothing about it. Given that asceticism and celibacy are often idealized, I'm not very surprised that it isn't looked at very different from heterosexual sex. But culturally, that's another matter; there are plenty of Hindus who consider homosexuality adharmic, which is quite bad. That said, the earliest approaches (i.e., the laws of Manu) treat male homosexuality as something that must be followed with ritual bathing and mild penance, while female homosexuality is treated a little more harshly.

The Theravada tradition of Buddhism contains some admonitions against certain classes of homosexual males being monks, pandaka. These are usually described as sexually insatiable men who want to be passive partners in anal penetration, and are excluded for the purpose of maintaining celibacy, if I recall correctly. Modern views range from accepting to condemnatory, and this often varies based on one's view of laity obligations with respect to sexuality. In Theravada all monks must be celibate.

Tibetan Buddhism condemns, I believe, all acts of anal and oral sex. But frankly there are lots of Buddhists who consider this religion to be more in line with Bon and Hinduism than Buddhism. I can't imagine that the most conservative Theravada practitioners actually believe this is even Buddhism, since it embraces tantric practices that are probably a one-way trip to rebirth.

Mahayana is extremely diverse, but my impression has been it is largely more open to monogamous same-sex relationships, at least in the West. It is also more lay oriented than Theravada.

Sikhism I think is condemnatory, but not based on scriptures, which I believe are silent. I think it is a function of tradition and elevation of heterosexual marriage.

Functionally, the religious traditions , to me, seem to reflect more than inculcate sexual norms, including the approach to homosexuality. In the Islamic world and Christendom we see both periods of intense homophobia and relative tolerance, institutionalized pederasty, homosexuality within monastic orders in Christian and Buddhist periods, etc. Also, most of the issues are relatively new; LGBT marriage was unthinkable in different periods not so much because such relationships were unfathomable but because marriage served certain functions, primarily property functions, that were unworkable in an egalitarian setting. Similarly, the civil rights statutes that protect people on the basis of sexual orientation in market transactions, for example, are relatively new in large part because the concept of civil rights statutes are relatively new. The historic example of institutionalized homosexuality is pederasty, which was also laden with concerns about power, coercion, etc. Even the examples of societies we use to illustrate tolerance or acceptance were not necessarily open to the idea of two equals engaged in homosexual sex; they often preferred sharp demarcation lines based on social status (slave/free, citizen/non-citizen), age or role. And these attitudes continue to exist and inform our understanding of homosexuality today, both in the West and in other areas.
 

ZooGirl02

Well-Known Member
Well that is very interesting Gsaseeker. Thanks for the information. Personally I would love to see equality for lgbt people improve in the future. I am bisexual and so is my boyfriend. Neither of us fit gender stereotypes though.
 

ZooGirl02

Well-Known Member
He might be going off the understanding that religion is only useful if it helps improve a person, and in that case, such a religion would be a hate machine.

I really don't know.

Psychoslice, what did you mean?

Some not all in my experience. Don't worry, I do not fit a stereotype either. I "look straight" and people are shocked to find out I have a girlfriend.

Thanks Dgirl1986. I appreciate the sympathy. Believe me, it's difficult when you live in a very conservative part of the United States and you don't fit stereotypes as to how a relationship is supposed to be. Regardless, I'm not giving up on him. I know for a fact he's my soulmate and he feels the same about me. Nothing is getting in the way of our love.
 

dgirl1986

Big Queer Chesticles!
Thanks Dgirl1986. I appreciate the sympathy. Believe me, it's difficult when you live in a very conservative part of the United States and you don't fit stereotypes as to how a relationship is supposed to be. Regardless, I'm not giving up on him. I know for a fact he's my soulmate and he feels the same about me. Nothing is getting in the way of our love.

Yeah I can understand how that would be difficult. Dont worry I am sure you will find your way through things. My girlfriend and I did, and I had no clue how a real relationship was meant to work in the beginning.
 

ZooGirl02

Well-Known Member
Well, earlier today we was at one of his friend's baby showers and there was two guys laughing at us. We didn't let it bother us though. We still exchanged public displays of affection like hugs and kisses. I figured that if we let it bother us then it's only going to encourage the haters.
 

dgirl1986

Big Queer Chesticles!
Well, earlier today we was at one of his friend's baby showers and there was two guys laughing at us. We didn't let it bother us though. We still exchanged public displays of affection like hugs and kisses. I figured that if we let it bother us then it's only going to encourage the haters.

Why should they laugh at you? Are they that immature?
 

Maldini

Active Member
The anti-gay people of any kind only deserve two words of anyone's wisdom when it comes to debating homosexuality : @#$% you.
 

ZooGirl02

Well-Known Member
The anti-gay people of any kind only deserve two words of anyone's wisdom when it comes to debating homosexuality : @#$% you.

I must say that I agree to a certain extent. They do need to be stood up to but yet I think if you act in an angry way towards them, it might just make them be even more homophobic towards you.

That said, I used to deal with a lot of internalized homophobia. I'm no longer ashamed of being bisexual and somewhat masculine. My boyfriend helped me overcome that just by his example.

The thing is, it is still scary to some extent when people want to be hateful towards him or I because of the way we are. I just recently came out of the closet to a few people and I just don't know what to expect.
 

Maldini

Active Member
I must say that I agree to a certain extent. They do need to be stood up to but yet I think if you act in an angry way towards them, it might just make them be even more homophobic towards you.

That said, I used to deal with a lot of internalized homophobia. I'm no longer ashamed of being bisexual and somewhat masculine. My boyfriend helped me overcome that just by his example.

The thing is, it is still scary to some extent when people want to be hateful towards him or I because of the way we are. I just recently came out of the closet to a few people and I just don't know what to expect.

First of all homophobia is a very stupid word. You're not sacred or anything, you're just being an a$$hole.

Second of all I think LGBT people need to get on the offensive. Being careful so you won't make people more homophobic kinda sound like you're ashamed of your sexuality, which will feed these people more strength to bully you.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with any of it, and anyone who doesn't think so can go screw themselves.
 
There are many people, who claim they are Christian, that go about the homosexual thing all wrong.A lot of them bash and should not.True Christians love everyone regardless of what their sexual preference is.Although true Christianity does not condone homosexual behavior, it does not mean that we are to hate them, and call them names,or treat them any different.Everyone has the freedom of choice.Free will.If one wants to go that route it is their choice.I personally do not condone homosexuality.I agree with the view in the holy scriptures regarding this matter.Thats is my choice.I have that right to believe this view.I believe man and woman are to be together and serve as a family unit if that is what they choose.Man was made for woman and woman for man.This is natural.A man and woman can naturally procreate.This is the only way to naturally produce another human life.It is biologically correct.Man and man cannot procreate and neither can woman and woman.It does not work.So religiously, and scientifically, I can clearly see that Man and Woman are the right pair.
 

Truster

New Member
Do you actually know anyone who is gay (personally)?
IF so, who?
If not, why not?
Wouldnt you rather ask homosexuals questions about their lives and sexuality rather than trust the words of straight homophobes who spout outrageous ideas about gay people? Or are you willingly ignorant?

Homophobia is a fear of homosexuals and it can't be helped. I'm homophobic and I can honestly say it is not through choice...its the way I am and I would ask people to accept me the way I am.
I am not ashamed of my homophobia and demand the right to be homophobic.
 
Top