To what extent are Islamic terrorists inspired by Muhammad and the Quran?

[SA Huguenot]

The Bukhari hadiths came out of Persia 200 years after Muhammed.

And even if this is a fact, all Muslims adhere to the hadith as the second most holy writing on earth.
You will never change a Muslims' mind that because the hadith was a late writing, they should not adhere to it.

 

[oldbadger]

................. in a hand hand without wounds ......... how could poison ever penetrate into?

I do not know the above sentence, and so.....

Is this a variation on 'Honi Soit qui mali pense'?

If so, you're pretty much cranked up in your thinking, imo.

I have known so many decent people over decades whose main objective was to reduce, deter, avoid, arrest and protect from violence in all manner of ways.

To be affective in this they had to reflect upon, think about, empathise with, understand and discuss in their attempts to protect others.

And so, on those occasions when people pointed fingers at such as them and called, 'You thought it so you are it' I used to feel so much anger, but now in age I can only feel sadness.

 

[England my lionheart]

The Bukhari hadiths came out of Persia 200 years after Muhammed.

The Quran was compiled 200 years after Muhammed,what's your point?

 

[oldbadger]

If you dont see Muhammad as corrupt, I see him as corrupted.
He was a terrorist, murdered, torturer, liar, war monger, rapist, all in the name of Allah.

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The spirit of Muhammad lives in every Muslim.
if not, it awakes with the truth against him.

Please tell us.......
If you had the power and the following, what would you do about Islam, then?

 

[Samana Johann]

but now in age I can only feel sadness.

The healing power of precepts may help.

Also Wisdom over Justice and Justice vs. Skillfulness

 

[sooda]

The Quran was compiled 200 years after Muhammed,what's your point?

When Bukhari gave his testament he was over 90 and there were some 60,000 hadiths. Most were local tribal custom NOT from Muhammed.

 

[Dawnofhope]

I would say with the book of Romans that believers in Jesus walk in the footsteps of Abraham citing Abraham's willingness to sacrifice Issac believing God would raise Isaac from the dead if necessary.

Many claim to be of the faith of Abraham that but is it true?

Muhammad’s claim to be a prophet and bearer of a Revelation from God as Jesus and Moses were is an important question for us all. It’s certainly what’s believed by His Followers.

Can the Word of God whether it be the Bible or Quran be used by religious leaders to incite violence and hatred? Whether or not both or neither books are from God, historians tell us that book books have been used to inspire and encourage war.

 

[sooda]

And even if this is a fact, all Muslims adhere to the hadith as the second most holy writing on earth.
You will never change a Muslims' mind that because the hadith was a late writing, they should not adhere to it.

Aren't you that recent internet expert that's never been out of the US?

 

[Ellen Brown]

The association between sexual suppression and violence has some merit.

There is the sentiment among some Muslim men that women are the cause of the sin that men do. It is said, though not in the Quran, that there are more women in Hell than men. The idea of 72 virgins for every man in heaven is not quranic.

 

[We Never Know]

Muhammad’s claim to be a prophet and bearer of a Revelation from God as Jesus and Moses were is an important question for us all. It’s certainly what’s believed by His Followers.

Can the Word of God whether it be the Bible or Quran be used by religious leaders to incite violence and hatred? Whether or not both or neither books are from God, historians tell us that book books have been used to inspire and encourage war.

Violence and hatred live inside of every person. Acting upon it and claiming its because of a god is a cop out. At least the nonbelievers in god accept its the fault of their own actions(well sort of. Some just blame other people).

 

[Dawnofhope]

It seems very strange to me that a large tribe would, at it's own homeland, drop it's own religion to adopt something new. Satellite populations in exile, yes I could see.

But it happens... After Constantine passed the Edict of Milan, it took only 10 years for Christianity to become the State religion of the Roman Empire. Which is bazaar.

None of this seems strange. In times where people were much less educated and more hierarchical they readily followed where their leaders took them in war and faith.

 

[Ellen Brown]

There are not so many on this forum who have been both Christian and Islam so I value your insights. Like you I revere both Muhammad and the Quran though have been content being Baha’i for nearly 30 years.

I may STILL be both Muslim and Christian, and perhaps some Jewish, and Sumerian too. Most religious leaders assume that they have some right to expect me to obey them. They should not hold their breath. I obey only God. The rest are out of luck.

 

[Dawnofhope]

And this is perfectly true. However, when judging whether this is the case, it is important to look at the source material.







If a Christian bombs a abortion clinic or kills a LGBT person, even though it says it disapproves of such things, it still doesn't advocate violence against them. Yet all Christians are held responsible for these.









Islam the followers are violent in addition to what is said in the Quran, Christianity they are violent in spite of what is said in the Bible.

It is easy to cherry pick. I could select violent verses from the Bible (eg the book of Joshua) and peaceful verses from the Quran.

 

[SA Huguenot]

Please tell us.......
If you had the power and the following, what would you do about Islam, then?

Just one thing.
1. Tell them they have the right to read the Bible for themself. (at this stage Muslims are not allowed to do so, but work according to the IPCI's "Combat kit")
2. Tell them they have the right to choose their religion. (at this stage any apostate , or Child of Muslims will receive the death penalty for leaving Islam.)
3. forbid Sharia law, forbid the veil, forbid female mutelatoin

 

[SA Huguenot]

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Muhammad’s claim to be a prophet and bearer of a Revelation from God as Jesus and Moses were is an important question for us all. It’s certainly what’s believed by His Followers.

Can the Word of God whether it be the Bible or Quran be used by religious leaders to incite violence and hatred? Whether or not both or neither books are from God, historians tell us that book books have been used to inspire and encourage war.

What does Jesus say?
No!
period

 

[SA Huguenot]

Muhammad’s claim to be a prophet and bearer of a Revelation from God as Jesus and Moses were is an important question for us all. It’s certainly what’s believed by His Followers.

Can the Word of God whether it be the Bible or Quran be used by religious leaders to incite violence and hatred? Whether or not both or neither books are from God, historians tell us that book books have been used to inspire and encourage war.

Give me an example.

 

[sooda]

Just one thing.
1. Tell them they have the right to read the Bible for themself. (at this stage Muslims are not allowed to do so, but work according to the IPCI's "Combat kit")
2. Tell them they have the right to choose their religion. (at this stage any apostate , or Child of Muslims will receive the death penalty for leaving Islam.)
3. forbid Sharia law, forbid the veil, forbid female mutelatoin

Most Muslims I know have read the Bible or parts of it. Jesus is mentioned over 30 times in the Koran so naturally they would be interested. They just don't believe in blood sacrifice or original sin. They are thrilled that the purest of the Prophets didn't suffer such a cruel and humiliating death on the cross.

FGM is African and pretty rare in the Gulf states.

Sharia law is just the well worn path to life giving water.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Again, You obviously never read the history of Muhammad and the hadith.
If you dont see Muhammad as corrupt, I see him as corrupted.
He was a terrorist, murdered, torturer, liar, war monger, rapist, all in the name of Allah.
Tell you what,
Ali Sina made a Challenge to anyone that can refute the above claims.
You can get $50 000 if you can prove him wrong on any single point.
Sina’s Challenge

So, dont come and tell me that Muhammad was a good man, first get the facts, and go to Ali Sina and get your &50K.
Then come back and show me where my investigation into Islam is wrong.

By the way, this challenge was issued in 2001 already!
the only response was ... yes you got it...
Death threats!
The spirit of Muhammad lives in every Muslim.
if not, it awakes with the truth against him.

You are entitled to your opinion as we all are.

The Quran I see has a similar status to the Torah and Gospels in that they represent God’s Revelation. Yet the Quran says little about the life of Muhammad Himself in contrast to what the Torah tells us of Moses or the Gospels Jesus.

So we have the Hadiths and Sira to provide us with disparate and contradictory accounts on the life of Muhammad. The Sunnis have their Hadiths as do the Shi’a. Christian apologists choose the violent stories to make their case to portray Muhammad exactly as you have. One such as myself will choose different verses to portray a more saintly character.

But what does it prove, particularly if all these accounts are contradictory and unreliable? They just become repositories where we project our prejudices, positive or negative.

Criticism of Hadith - Wikipedia

 

[SA Huguenot]

So we have the Hadiths and Sira to provide us with disparate and contradictory accounts on the life of Muhammad. The Sunnis have their Hadiths as do the Shi’a. Christian apologists choose the violent stories to make their case to portray Muhammad exactly as you have. One such as myself will choose different verses to portray a more saintly characte

And you just displayed your error.
Christian Apolgists are not choosing these violent stories to make a case to portray Muhammad as a violent war and whore monger!
Christian apologists are showing you what Jihadi's and Muslim rape gangs are using from the Quran and Hadith to do exectly what Muhammad did.
You are the one attempting to whitewash Islamic terror for your own religion!
Dont even try to convince me that Muhammad was a peacefull man, and the Bible promoted violence.
In Bahai, you try to mix islam and Christianity....pal that is a failure at mest.
It might work for the ignorant, not for the informed.

So, did you visit Ali Sina's website with evidence?
You cant.

 

[England my lionheart]

When Bukhari gave his testament he was over 90 and there were some 60,000 hadiths. Most were local tribal custom NOT from Muhammed.

So your saying he was confused because he was over 90 and imagined it?,this is a sahih Hadith,he didn't do much different from any other warlord in history.