Tommy Robinson: Arrest and Gag order in the UK

[icehorse]

He screwed up.

Who screwed up, the judge?

 

[Cacotopia]

Far too esoteric for RF but relevant.
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People demand that freedom of speech exists for themselves, but not everyone else.

 

[columbus]

People demand that freedom of speech exists for themselves, but not everyone else.

People also expand the legal right to hold and express opinions with other things. Having freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to use your employer as a platform. Kaepernick and his supporters don't seem to get that. Or the freedom from consequences of expressing the opinions, like having listeners boycott your advertisers. Laura Ingraham and her supporters don't seem to get that.
Tom

 

[Cacotopia]

People also expand the legal right to hold and express opinions with other things. Having freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to use your employer as a platform. Kaepernick and his supporters don't seem to get that. Or the freedom from consequences of expressing the opinions, like having listeners boycott your advertisers. Laura Ingraham and her supporters don't seem to get that.
Tom

I'm talking about people in general, and more specifically, Americans, the "you don't like it leave the country" is a misinterpretation of freedom of speech, part of the deal is hearing things you don't like hearing but people of that crowd tend to be grossly hypocritical, but not knowing they are being hypocrites.

 

[Estro Felino]

People also expand the legal right to hold and express opinions with other things. Having freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to use your employer as a platform. Kaepernick and his supporters don't seem to get that. Or the freedom from consequences of expressing the opinions, like having listeners boycott your advertisers. Laura Ingraham and her supporters don't seem to get that.
Tom

I think this arrest shows how low the British judiciary has stooped.
It's useless to find justifications.

 

[exchemist]

Tommy Robinson is an extremely outspoken critic of Britain's immigration policies. He frequently speaks and protests against the massive influx of Muslims into Britain. He has been in trouble with the law, and many consider him to be "far right" (as reported in the independent.uk article linked below).

A few days back he was outside a courthouse reporting on the case of Muslims being tried for "grooming" (i.e. sex trafficking).

He was arrested for "breaching the peace". Within the span of a day, the judge tried him, convicted him, sent him to prison, and issued a gag order to the press. There are reports that he was not allowed counsel.

I find all of the authority's actions shocking. I'm also linking to several news sources. The most "central" seems to be the independent.uk. I find it striking how different the independent's reporting is to Gatestone's reporting. It's clear that Gatestone is an advocacy journalism organization, they are strongly anti-Islam and pro-Israel. But to me, their reporting seems objectively far more honest than the independent's reporting. (As a side note, it would appear that many large news organizations are honoring the gag order, if anyone finds more mainstream reporting, please provide links!)

thoughts?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ehall-free-latest-arrest-police-a8371616.html

UK: You're Not Allowed to Talk about It. About What? Don't Ask.

Right-wing activist Tommy Robinson reportedly jailed after filming outside child grooming trial

Gatestone institute seems to be an anti-muslim far right organ, involving the usual suspects, viz. some American jews with an axe to grind, James Woolsey, John Bolton and other nutcases.: Gatestone Institute - Wikipedia. It apparently has a very chequered history of reporting and has links to Putin's disinformation campaigns. (Funny how often that comes up on this website these days - a rash of threads, just at the time the Dutch fingered Russia for shooting down that plane. I'm sure it's just coincidence.)

The Independent is a left of centre British newspaper founded in the 1980s and currently owned by a Russian businessman called Lebedev.

Before you get too shocked, you need to be aware this Yaxley-Lennon character was already subject to a suspended prison sentence for contempt of court, the conditions of which he has just apparently violated. He will be subject to due process under the English criminal law. From what I read, the issue is the trial is continuing, so the matter is sub judice. If Americans (or Russian trolls) do not know what that is, you can read about it here: Sub judice - Wikipedia. So, not being a journalist but a far-right thug, he is not allowed to post videos full of tendentious allegations to stir up hatred while the trial is on. Which is what he does. All the time. (There may more to this and other offences, but as this storm in a teacup has not been that much reported by the serious press, I don't have any more information.)

Twitter (A US company) revoked his account in March this year for hate speech: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-43572168

 

[Estro Felino]

So much for freedom of speech. It's dead in Europe. Dying in the USA.

In UK only....please.

Twitter (A US company) revoked his account in March this year for hate speech: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-43572168

Unfortunately this case defames all of Europe...because people here start thinking that freedom of speech is outraged in other EU countries.

There is the chance Robinson calls for the status of political refugee and asks to be extradited into a less Orwellian country.

 

[exchemist]

Unfortunately this case defames all of Europe...because people here start thinking that freedom of speech is outraged in other EU countries.

There is the chance Robinson calls for the status of political refugee and asks to be extradited into a more civilized country.

Afternoon Musso, I'm still waiting for you to post pics of your tattoos.

 

[David T]

People demand that freedom of speech exists for themselves, but not everyone else.

which is ironic when freedom of speech clashes with freedom of speech. although what he said might be seen as just slander er in the united states . We in the states have a long history of allowing slander to be expressed.in 1776 it was " the engilsh are island bound inbred morons". oh wait that is fact as i learned it!!!

note: i was was just joking....for you inbred island bound knuckleheads.

 

[exchemist]

which is ironic when freedom of speech clashes with freedom of speech. although what he said might be seen as just slander er in the united states . We in the states have a long history of allowing slander to be expressed.in 1776 it was " the engilsh are island bound inbred morons". oh wait that is fact as i learned it!!!

note: i was was just joking....for you inbred island bound knuckleheads.

That's OK, you mouth-breathing yokel.

 

[Cacotopia]

 

[icehorse]

Gatestone institute seems to be an anti-muslim far right organ, involving the usual suspects, viz. some American jews with an axe to grind, James Woolsey, John Bolton and other nutcases.: Gatestone Institute - Wikipedia. It apparently has a very chequered history of reporting and has links to Putin's disinformation campaigns. (Funny how often that comes up on this website these days - a rash of threads, just at the time the Dutch fingered Russia for shooting down that plane. I'm sure it's just coincidence.)

The Independent is a left of centre British newspaper founded in the 1980s and currently owned by a Russian businessman called Lebedev.

Before you get too shocked, you need to be aware this Yaxley-Lennon character was already subject to a suspended prison sentence for contempt of court, the conditions of which he has just apparently violated. He will be subject to due process under the English criminal law. From what I read, the issue is the trial is continuing, so the matter is sub judice. If Americans (or Russian trolls) do not know what that is, you can read about it here: Sub judice - Wikipedia. So, not being a journalist but a far-right thug, he is not allowed to post videos full of tendentious allegations to stir up hatred while the trial is on. Which is what he does. All the time. (There may more to this and other offences, but as this storm in a teacup has not been that much reported by the serious press, I don't have any more information.)

Twitter (A US company) revoked his account in March this year for hate speech: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-43572168

Yes but... whatever the legality, it would seem that a gag order isn't something we should take lying down.

 

[oldbadger]

... I find it striking how different the independent's reporting is to Gatestone's reporting. It's clear that Gatestone is an advocacy journalism organization, they are strongly anti-Islam and pro-Israel. But to me, their reporting seems objectively far more honest than the independent's reporting.

thoughts?

Nah.......

See good ol' wiki
Gatestone Institute - Wikipedia
The Gatestone Institute is a right-wing anti-Muslim think tank that publishes articles, particularly pertaining to Islam and the Middle East. The organization has attracted attention for publishing false articles and being a source of viral falsehoods

 

[icehorse]

Nah.......

See good ol' wiki
Gatestone Institute - Wikipedia
The Gatestone Institute is a right-wing anti-Muslim think tank that publishes articles, particularly pertaining to Islam and the Middle East. The organization has attracted attention for publishing false articles and being a source of viral falsehoods

so do you think there is no gag order?

 

[David T]

That's OK, you mouth-breathing yokel.

Yes but we are honest about it you yokel snobs! I blame the English why the US is such a joke. Although I think robin Williams actually nailed it. He said the first settlers in the Americas (puritans) were so uptight that the English kicked them out... Lol that's funny bad.

 

[Mindmaster]

So you believe it is dead in Europe?

Regardless, I don't think the U.S. at this particular time is ahead of Europe in terms of freedom of speech. It isn't Europe (at least the more developed parts thereof) that has a major problem with religious extremists and nazi sympathizers in its most powerful offices.

This is rubbish, even in US of A Extremists are unpopular regardless of where they come from. Neo-Nazi's are probably numbering in the thousands total nationwide. (It's an extremely unpopular belief system.) Personally, I'm aware of one or two in my entire life and only one of those guys was violent. (He's currently in jail.) The other has his views, but doesn't hurt anyone. They're not "all the same". Most of the Neo-Nazi's are non-violent, surprisingly enough, because violence means jail. What do you mean by sympathizers? Someone who is far right might agree on many things with Neo-Nazi's, but probably doesn't associate with racial hatred. Anyway, if you believe the American liberal press there is a Nazi under every rock. They're certainly not as common as evangelists, radical Islamists, and what have you.

And yeah, USA is still worlds ahead of anyone on free speech because it would take a 50 state vote to repeal it. It's just not happening, plain and simple. Some judge can't take your rights to a lawyer here or sentence you to some trumped up charge without the checks and balances being invoked. No system is perfect, but we don't have "gag orders" on convictions and sentencing here and you will certainly get to see your lawyer before the trial. I'm not pro-Robinson (he comes off to me as pretty douche-y) or anything mind you, I just think what has been done to him is not excusable. They didn't tell him what he did, allow him a lawyer, or give him even the chance to explain himself. Then, they gagged the media... Between this and Nazi saluting pugs, the UK has gone to pot. They have banned several conservative and libertarian folks from Canada and USA from even entering their country. Meanwhile, they have actual terrorist cells and grooming gangs in their country and work toward protecting these same folks from "online hatred"... It's hypocrisy, you can say anything as long as the guy you're saying it to doesn't happen to be a Muslim. Tommy was heckling men who were raping UK citizens... Who happened to be Muslim... Think about that for a minute... Well, not even that long... It's screwed up.

 

[Estro Felino]

Afternoon Musso, I'm still waiting for you to post pics of your tattoos.

Gag orders are unconstitutional here...
so speaking of Mussos...it's like the pot that calls the kettle black

 

[exchemist]

Gag orders are unconstitutional here...
so speaking of Mussos...it's like the pot that calls the kettle black

Black like your shirt?

 

[exchemist]

Yes but... whatever the legality, it would seem that a gag order isn't something we should take lying down.

We?

I expect the Russian troll farms will carry on working overtime to get this piffling incident and this idiotic and unpleasant man on the radar, certainly.

 

[LuisDantas]

At first glance the episode in the OP looks like a probably well-meaning but nonetheless misguided attempt at avoiding a conflict that probably has to happen, and sooner rather than later if at all possible.

There is no constructive value in offering good will to an ideology that will not allow itself to retribute in kind.