Tommy Robinson: Arrest and Gag order in the UK

[exchemist]

I read about Sub judice. Thanks for that link.

My reading might be wrong, but it strikes me that the reason he just got arrested is distinct from his previous trial?

As for his character, I have to say three things:

1 - Being an anti-Islam noisemaker in Europe these days doesn't seem like a bad thing to me.
2 - His character oughtn't be the main point in this situation, and it might be that one man's thug is another man's freedom fighter.
3 - As for the "far right", would you say that anyone who is concerned about mass-Islamic immigration is automatically on the "far right" ?

Before addressing your questions, I will repost something I put on Musso's thread about this person:
...this Stephen Yaxley-Lennon certainly seems to be a rather nasty piece of work, : Tommy Robinson (activist) - Wikipedia. I expect he chose the false name "Tommy Robinson" to sound more appealing to his plebeian comrades. "Yaxley-Lennon" might not go down too well with the tattooed skinheads of the English Defence League: http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1159624/images/o-EDL-ENGLISH-DEFENCE-LEAGUE-facebook.jpg. Yaxley-Lennon founded the EDL.

Now, you look at that link and then tell me - with a straight face - that Yaxley-Lennon is simply "concerned" about muslim immigration.

You can also read this link: English Defence League - Wikipedia and then tell me - with a straight face again - that Yaxley-Lennon is not on the far-right.

As for being an anti-islam "noisemaker" I think that depends very much on what sort of "noise" a person makes about it. Just as I think there is plenty of room in the USA these days for a person to make "noise" about the unthinking support for Israel that dominates in US political life, thanks to the Israeli Lobby. But that noise should be appropriate, i.e. should steer clear of antisemitism, yes?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

It seems hasty to form a conclusion regarding the fairness or lack thereof of this trial given the lack of details. For instance, it isn't clear from the articles what exactly he did that led to his arrest, but they also mention that he has a history with previous sentences. Ideologically driven, emotional reactions to his arrest from those for or against him seem premature and unwise.

Exactly. It seems the judge used his power relating to contempt of court.
If the judge had put restrictions on what could be reported or published during the court case, and Robinson repeated those things out side, he was in contempt of court, and the Judge could send him straight to prison, there was no need for a trial at all. The Judge simply called him before him and sentences him. There is no limit on how long someone can be imprisoned in such circumstances.

The reporting of the reasons would still be covered by the original banning order.

 

[David T]

Hmm, but quite a long way, erm, how shall I put this.....west.......

The final frontier of European expansion. It's now a safely domesticated farmstead, of domesticated wilderness owned by large corporations with bits of parks here and there! Like 15th century England actually. Instead of lords and king we have CEO's ... Not much has changed actually just the clothing.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

It's a strange world when we champion the freedom of convicted violent criminals and racists to spread hate speech and misinformation, while decrying the free speech of athletes making a peaceful, public stand against police brutality.

Strange and telling.

 

[exchemist]

The final frontier of European expansion. It's now a safely domesticated farmstead, of domesticated wilderness owned by large corporations with bits of parks here and there! Like 15th century England actually. Instead of lords and king we have CEO's ... Not much has changed actually just the clothing.

Heh heh.

 

[icehorse]

Yaxley-Lennon founded the EDL.

Here's the EDL's "About" page / mission statement:

http://www.englishdefenceleague.org.uk/mission-statement/

As I understand it, the EDL has legitimate concerns about their government's policies and actions concerning immigrants whose values are counter to the Brits.

I understand their reputation, I understand that there have been violent protests, I get all that. But I also understand that their concerns about their government are well founded.

 

[Estro Felino]

And anybody who attempts to or succeeds in provoking or inciting other to commit criminal offences commits a common-law offence here, which is a really sensible piece of law, imo.

With all due respect...I see nothing sensible.

It's like saying: "The judges gag your mouth because some extremist can freak out and kill you "

That's psychological terrorism...it's like delivering a verdict while someone's pointing a knife to your throat

 

[icehorse]

It's a strange world when we champion the freedom of convicted violent criminals and racists to spread hate speech and misinformation, while decrying the free speech of athletes making a peaceful, public stand against police brutality.

Strange and telling.

Just to clarify, who are you referring to when you talk about racists and hate speech-ers?

 

[exchemist]

Here's the EDL's "About" page / mission statement:

http://www.englishdefenceleague.org.uk/mission-statement/

As I understand it, the EDL has legitimate concerns about their government's policies and actions concerning immigrants whose values are counter to the Brits.

I understand their reputation, I understand that there have been violent protests, I get all that. But I also understand that their concerns about their government are well founded.

The EDL is an excuse for tattooed skinheads to go Paki-bashing, no more and no less.

Why don't you post the KKK mission statement while you are at it, and let's compare them?

Face it, you and the Putin trolls have picked a really lousy hero to work up into a cause celebre here. Surely you and Breitfart News can do better than that, can't you?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Just to clarify, who are you referring to when you talk about racists and hate speech-ers?

Tommy Robinson.

 

[icehorse]

The EDL is an excuse for tattooed skinheads to go Paki-bashing, no more and no less.

Why don't you post the KKK mission statement while you are at it, and let's compare them?

Careful there bloke. Islam is a choice, skin color is not.

 

[icehorse]

Tommy Robinson.

Protesting against Islam is neither racist nor is it hate-speech.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Protesting against Islam is neither racist nor is it hate-speech.

Correct. But racist hate speech is both racist and hate speech.

 

[exchemist]

Just to clarify, who are you referring to when you talk about racists and hate speech-ers?

Careful there bloke. Islam is a choice, skin color is not.

You think being of Pakistani extraction is a choice, huh?

Look, if you are really going to try to argue the EDL is a respectable political party, then I am sorry but I have better things to do with my time. Nobody in Britain is in any doubt about what they are like. That photo I showed you sums it up perfectly. Here it is again, for any other readers who want a laugh: http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1159624/images/o-EDL-ENGLISH-DEFENCE-LEAGUE-facebook.jpg

The fat shirtless yobs, the tattoos, the balaclavas with official EDL logos on them. Political party? My arse!

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Careful there bloke. Islam is a choice, skin color is not.

Debateable. But nevertheless, do you think it is justifiable to attack an entire religious group and all of its members (who are predominantly a minority racial group as well) for the violent crimes of just a portion of its adherents?

 

[Wotans Krieger]

Tommy Robinson is an extremely outspoken critic of Britain's immigration policies. He frequently speaks and protests against the massive influx of Muslims into Britain. He has been in trouble with the law, and many consider him to be "far right" (as reported in the independent.uk article linked below).

A few days back he was outside a courthouse reporting on the case of Muslims being tried for "grooming" (i.e. sex trafficking).

He was arrested for "breaching the peace". Within the span of a day, the judge tried him, convicted him, sent him to prison, and issued a gag order to the press. There are reports that he was not allowed counsel.

I find all of the authority's actions shocking. I'm also linking to several news sources. The most "central" seems to be the independent.uk. I find it striking how different the independent's reporting is to Gatestone's reporting. It's clear that Gatestone is an advocacy journalism organization, they are strongly anti-Islam and pro-Israel. But to me, their reporting seems objectively far more honest than the independent's reporting. (As a side note, it would appear that many large news organizations are honoring the gag order, if anyone finds more mainstream reporting, please provide links!)

thoughts?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ehall-free-latest-arrest-police-a8371616.html

UK: You're Not Allowed to Talk about It. About What? Don't Ask.

Right-wing activist Tommy Robinson reportedly jailed after filming outside child grooming trial

Robinson loves publicity. His latest stunt achieved nothing apart from interfering with a trial. You need to do some research and you will find the answer as to why he was immediately sent to prison.

 

[Wotans Krieger]

Targeting a religious group is a wrong thing to do.

Underlining that most rapes in England are committed by non-English people is the right thing to do.

First, because there was not this problem before mass immigration. Secondly English males would never commit such monstrous crimes.

Not so. Plenty of Englishmen commit rapes every day of the week. Aliens do not have the monopoly on this heinous crime.

 

[exchemist]

Targeting a religious group is a wrong thing to do.

Underlining that most rapes in England are committed by non-English people is the right thing to do.

First, because there was not this problem before mass immigration. Secondly English males would never commit such monstrous crimes.

There is no reliable evidence for any of these assertions, Musso.

 

[Wotans Krieger]

Debateable. But nevertheless, do you think it is justifiable to attack an entire religious group and all of its members (who are predominantly a minority racial group as well) for the violent crimes of just a portion of its adherents?

It might have something to do with him being a Zionist.

 

[icehorse]

Correct. But racist hate speech is both racist and hate speech.

1 - Can you define "hate speech"? In the US, so-called "hate speech" is protected.
2 - Can you cite instances of racist speech committed by Tommy Robinson?