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Top Iranian General Killed in Airstrike

leov

leov

Well-Known Member
oldbadger said:
This must have happened in recent hours; it is all over Brit News at 0500 hrs GMT.

I offer the first two reports from google.
The links need to be copied and then pasted in to your search engines to work.

Top Iranian general Qassem Soleimani killed in U.S. airstrike ...

https://www.haaretz.com › middle-east-news › four-rockets-hit-military-ba...1 hour ago - Pentagon, Iran Revolutionary Guards confirmed the attack, in which ... Top Iranian General Qassem Soleimani Killed in U.S. Airstrike in Iraq.
U.S. airstrike kills top Iran general, Qassim Suleimani, at ...

https://www.nbcnews.com › news › world › airstrike-kills-top-iran-general...3 hours ago - A U.S. airstrike killed Iranian Qods Force commander Qassim Suleimani near Baghdad International Airport. Iraqi militia commander Abu Mahdi ...
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Oil prices surge after US kills Iran's top commander in airstrike, Brent crude nears $70 a barrel
This the reason of the dance. Buy low sell high.
 
It Aint Necessarily So

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Kangaroo Feathers said:
Frankly, I'm suprised Bolton didn't get his war over that extremely suspicious tanker and subsequent drone incident. One of the very few things trump has done that I approve of was deescalating after that and calling off planned airstrikes. I may have offered praise to soon.
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Imagine how delighted Putin is with his investment. I can see him rubbing his hands together and muttering "Excellent. Pull the strings!"


columbus said:
Trump most certainly did start this. The Obama administration had put the USA and Iran on a path towards peace. Trump restarted the conflict.
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No doubt Trump scuttled that détente at Putin's request. The retaliation was possibly also an order from Putin.

Expect terrorist strikes on the American homeland. Maybe some passenger airplane explosions. 2020 might be a bad year for Americans to fly.

Making America great again.
 
oldbadger

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Stevicus said:
Well, I guess we'll see. The thing is, we've done this kind of thing before, such as taking out Bin Laden and the ISIS leader they just attacked. I'm not saying it's a good thing. In fact, I've been saying the exact opposite all along. We don't belong in the Middle East. We have no business being there. In fact, we have no business being in Asia, Europe, or Africa either. It's because of an interventionist foreign policy that we find ourselves in these crises in the first place. We never should have embarked on that kind of reckless adventurism.

But that's not up to me. Other people make those kinds of decisions, and to their discredit, they don't consult me first.

The major crime of interventionism has already been committed, and it's clear that this has led to the commission of many smaller, less significant crimes in the process. This is to be expected. I remember when there was much public debate over the invasion of Iraq before it happened, and there were a lot of warmongers and cheerleaders pushing for war. People were acting like we were going over to play a football game. And many of them are still acting like Dudley Do-Right, trying to convince people that we're running a "clean war." It's that mentality that I challenge. People who say "it's okay that we have troops over there, but killing the Iranian general, that's bad."
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Fair enough.
Imagine an American civil engineer working in an Islamic country, like my English next door neighbour, and his wife and kids are with him there, andh woke up this morning to find that the mid East is about to go besrk after their commander got blown up by Baghdad airport. Imagine that was you or me. The US has put its folks in grave danger for a political yard.
 
mojtaba

mojtaba

Active Member
Stevicus said:
It's hard to say, though I would concede the possibility that the US government may be lying about the reason for the attack. They've done things like this before.

One thing seems clear is that whatever hatred exists, it seems to have gone on for generations. Part of the problem seems to have originated with the fact that prior to WW2, the US had almost zero involvement in the Middle East. Other nations held hegemony in the region, mainly Britain and France. The problem was that WW2 weakened Britain and France and left a power vacuum in the world, while the US and USSR were competing for hegemony in vulnerable regions.

But it also put US policymakers in a position where they had to make decisions about regions where they had very little experience and knew next to nothing about. The American people were largely insulated and left in the dark about these things. We were simply told that America was fighting for freedom and making the world safe for democracy, which implies that anyone who opposes us must simply be evil. There is no other explanation, and this is how American foreign policy has been sold to the American people since WW2. And it's clear that there are still plenty out there who fervently believe this.

Of course, a lot of people hate America for this, and this has been going on long before Trump ever came on the scene. Americans believe that what their government is doing is good, so those who tell us they hate us merely have the effect of convincing Americans that they're truly battling evil. It's not supposed to make any sense, but it gives us a good excuse to fight. More is the pity.

Over the course of my life, I've seen how many Americans from all over the political spectrum can get suckered into "war fever." It was especially acute during periods of crises involving the Middle East, such as the Iranian takeover of the US embassy in 1979 - and obviously after 9/11. Even politicians considered to be "liberal" have shown their warmongering side on occasion.

I've tended to be a peacenik myself, but people like me are in the minority. And if one expresses a desire for peace, the warmongers will viciously attack them and call them "commies" or "traitors" or worse. It becomes even more difficult whenever the people of the Middle East work themselves up into a frenzy of hatred against us. Then the warmongers can point at them and say "There, you see? They're evil! They want to destroy us all!"
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Thank you dear Stevicus.
May humanity be saved.
 
mojtaba

mojtaba

Active Member
Soleimani was a kind and beloved man. He was so polite. He loved children. He loved humans, regardless of their religion. American people donn't know him. I do not blame them, rather I blame US government that doesn't let clarification of the truth.

I believe that a true human became martyr by the order of a fake one, that is Trump.
 
C

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
It Aint Necessarily So said:
Imagine how delighted Putin is with his investment. I can see him rubbing his hands together and muttering "Excellent. Pull the strings!"
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It Aint Necessarily So said:
No doubt Trump scuttled that détente at Putin's request. The retaliation was possibly also an order from Putin.
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I sincerely believe that Putin, and his boy Assange, supported Trump. Because Trump's mishandling of the Middle East would make it easier to achieve Putin's goal of military dominance in the Gulf oil region. This is crucial, as long as everybody's military machines run on fossil fuels.
Slowly, but surely, Russia is developing alliances with powers like Iran and Syria and Iraq that can overwhelm USA alliances with Israel and Saudi Arabia. Then Putin will have control over who gets oil. US allies like Australia and Japan and EU might not find the USA such a great ally anymore.

Control of the fuel needed to run a military is rather like a nuclear bomb. You needn't actually use it violently to use it for strategic purposes. It's much more useful before things reach those dire circumstances.
Tom
 
ecco

ecco

Veteran Member
mojtaba said:
I believe that a true human became martyr by the order of a fake one, that is Trump.
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"became martyr". What does that mean? Do you think he is now up in Muslim heaven with 7 (or 72 ) virgins and young boys to attend to his needs?
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
ecco said:
Well, let's go back to the beginning. Trump bailed out of the Nuke Treaty and imposed sanctions.
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Exactly, and that was done against the will of each our allies who were signatories of the agreement.

And if everything was such a slam-dunk on making this decision, then why wasn't the Gang of Eight notified so as to bring Congress into the decision-making process?

Now, don't get me wrong on this as that even though I don't like to see people die, there are some deaths that I don't particularly grieve over, and this general is one of them.

Trump had and has started a chain-reaction that I don't believe he has enough insight or even basic intelligence to know what likely will happen next.
 
Stanyon

Stanyon

WWMRD?
ecco said:
Who?
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Hillary Clinton, you know the one favoured to win against Trump in 2016 and has never been able to let it go blaming everyone but herself. I wouldn't mention her but she keeps injecting herself into things and considering somes support for her on RF in 2016 it would be interesting to hear what she had to say on this matter since she has supported every other military strike in the last 20+ years.

Bottom line, Iran committed genocide in Syria
 
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columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Stanyon said:
Hillary Clinton, you know the one favoured to win against Trump in 2016 and has never been able to let it go blaming everyone but herself. I wouldn't mention her but she keeps injecting herself into things and considering somes support for her on RF in 2016 it would be interesting to hear what she had to say on this matter since she has supported every other military strike in the last 20+ years.

Bottom line, Iran committed genocide in Syria
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Where did Hillary Clinton inject herself?

Everything I know about what she's up to comes from Trump's supporters. People who would prefer to change the subject from whatever the President's getting up to absolutely anything else.
Tom
 
oldbadger

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Stanyon said:
Bottom line, Iran committed genocide in Syria
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If you were working in the mid or far East and had your family with you, and woke up this morning to hear about this crazy business, firstly, you wouldn't think that the incident had increased your safety, second, you wouldn't be mouthing off misinformation about Iran in Syria.
 
Stanyon

Stanyon

WWMRD?
columbus said:
Where did Hillary Clinton inject herself?

Everything I know about what she's up to comes from Trump's supporters. People who would prefer to change the subject from whatever the President's getting up to absolutely anything else.
Tom
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It's actually not changing the subject, she could have been president and she supported every other non defensive U.S. attack for the last 20 + years.
 
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