Top Iranian General Killed in Airstrike

[Shad]

Slowly, but surely, Russia is developing alliances with powers like Iran and Syria and Iraq that can overwhelm USA alliances with Israel and Saudi Arabia

Iraq is a US puppet. Try again.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Shad, you are\were a sunny.
Who does not engage in covert operations?

The whole area is a friggin mess.

Iraq should have been partitioned between Kurds, Sunnis and Shias.

 

[Shad]

Shad, you are\were a sunny.

Sunny or Sunni? Sorry I am not sure what you are getting at. I was never Muslim if you mean Sunni. Being sunny (mood) comes and goes.

Who does not engage in covert operations?

Weak states in my view.

Iraq should have been partitioned between Kurds, Sunnis and Shias.

Kurds didn't want that at the time. It would have caused massive issues with Turkey. Which is currently happening the the rebel Kurds in Syria.

*FYI use a reply tag so I get an alert. I would have missed this if I didn't have the page open.

 

[oldbadger]

So you admit I wasn't spreading misinformation?

Duh!
The US didn't blow up the Assyrian President outside a city airport, Stanyon.
It blew up an Iranian Leader outside a city airport in Iraq.
And this morning we hear that your President did it to 'stop a war and to protect US citizens!'.

Now why don't you try and tell the thousands of US expats in the middle East how this is going to work?

I can see that you don't get it, but ever since President Trump reneged on the International Treaty with Iran things have been leading up to this point. The United Nations and European countries have been shaking heads about the whole way that President Trump drives his idea of 'Diplomacy'.

You need to understand that staunch 'Tribal' Republicans will support existing US policy all the way back to horrid wars, and then they'll wave sabers, and then, later, try to blame Democrats, or some such stupid ideas.

You should listen to @Kangaroo Feathers .... he's already introduced us to the concept of extreme tribal politics where tribal followers seem to have lost the ability to reason in terms of common sense.

And I don't believe for a millisecond that you ever lay in bed at night worrying about Sunni Muslims, Stanyon. No. Never. Please don't come it the international human rights cryer today.

 

[Shad]

Now why don't you try and tell the thousands of US expats in the middle East how this is going to work?

They moved there. Their problem.

I can see that you don't get it, but ever since President Trump reneged on the International Treaty with Iran things have been leading up to this point.

It was never a treaty as it was never ratified. It was an Obama EO revoked by a Trump EO. Any expectation that a new POTUS must agree with the promises of the previous POTUS is absurd.

The United Nations and European countries have been shaking heads about the whole way that President Trump drives his idea of 'Diplomacy'.

As without the US the EU and UN can do nothing to stop Iran. Russia and China are not interested. The EU lacks the means and the will. Other nations are irrelevant. Ergo they need the US to enforce international law. Look at how the UK backed down after seizing that tanker.

 

[oldbadger]

Russia has an alliance with Syria. You want WW3 and ***** if the US does not bite.

The enemy of my enemy is not my friend.

Iran is shooting down drones in international water, attacking facilities in KSA, seizing vessels in international waters. Of course it is all the US's fault for Iranian actions right. Try again.

Don't apply for a job in International Diplomacy, Shad.

You really have not got the qualifications or mindset, imo.

 

[Shad]

Don't apply for a job in International Diplomacy, Shad.

Why not? I have a better grasp of it then you do. I acknowledge that attacking Assad would trigger a treaty with Russia. You didn't even mention it. Try again son.

You really have not got the qualifications or mindset, imo.

Wrong. I just cut throw the BS and fiction you believe in pointing out what reality is really like. After all who was the one that thinks a non-treaty is a treaty? Not I. That would be you. Who overlooked the alliance between Russia and Syria? You did. Try again son.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Kurds didn't want that at the time. It would have caused massive issues with Turkey. Which is currently happening the the rebel Kurds in Syria.

Yeah, Kurds and Balochs. Many others too, Turkmen, Uzbeks, Hazaras, Pashtuns. Boxed by borders.

 

[oldbadger]

They moved there. Their problem.

It was never a treaty as it was never ratified. It was an Obama EO revoked by a Trump EO. Any expectation that a new POTUS must agree with the promises of the previous POTUS is absurd.

As without the US the EU and UN can do nothing to stop Iran. Russia and China are not interested. The EU lacks the means and the will. Other nations are irrelevant. Ergo they need the US to enforce international law.

May all the Gods and senders of Luck help the World at this time.

Look at how the UK backed down after seizing that tanker.

You and your crazy ideas about cowards, eh?
A Gibraltar Judge ordered that ship's release, and the Brits obeyed the judgement.

Trust me, Shad, when I tell you that if you ran the World things might get very very bad for humanity.

 

[Shad]

Yeah, Kurds and Balochs. Many others too, Turkmen, Uzbeks, Hazaras, Pashtuns. Foxed by borders.

Sure but consider an issue of Balkanization. There a number of nations and group waiting for nations like Syria and Iraq to collapse in order to gain more territory or crave out their own nations. Other nations are not so keen on what the fallout could be. Toss in the silly religious turned political dispute between sects.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Any expectation that a new POTUS must agree with the promises of the previous POTUS is absurd.

Especially, if it is Trump. Others may be sane, Trump hardly is.

 

[Shad]

You and your crazy ideas about cowards, eh?

I pointed out the UK backed down once Iran seized vessels under false pretenses. That does not mean the UK is a coward. It means the UK can not handle escalations on it's own.

Also note how you didn't counter my point about Obama's deal you just used an emoticon to cover up your failure. Nor did you address the point that people freely moved out of the US. Try again.

A Gibraltar Judge ordered that ship's release, and the Brits obeyed the judgement.

Only based on Iran saying it won't go to Syria all after Iran refused to release UK and other vessels. Try again. More so Iran lied and played the UK like a chump. Now the UK gets to write mean letters. Impressive.

Grace 1 tanker: UK condemns Iran over Adrian Darya 1 delivery of oil to Syria

Trust me, Shad, when I tell you that if you ran the World things might get very very bad for humanity.

Maybe. I see the status quo really.

 

[Shad]

Especially, if it is Trump.

Well yes considering he campaigned saying he would revoke it.

 

[oldbadger]

Why not? I have a better grasp of it then you do. I acknowledge that attacking Assad would trigger a treaty with Russia. You didn't even mention it. Try again son.

Wrong. I just cut throw the BS and fiction you believe in pointing out what reality is really like. After all who was the one that thinks a non-treaty is a treaty? Not I. That would be you. Who overlooked the alliance between Russia and Syria? You did. Try again son.

Look........ Dad ....... I do hope you like the title because its yours now...... we have been debating about a crazy attack on an Iranian Leader in Iraq, right beside a city airport.

Who Syria makes friends with is not the immediate issue here, it's more to do with thousands of US expats in clear and present danger and a country which is now vowing revenge upon the US which may well overstretch World and your Homeland security somewhat.

Which part of 'Wake Up!' don't you get, Daddy?

 

[Shad]

Look........ Dad ....... I do hope you like the title because its yours now...... we have been debating about a crazy attack on an Iranian Leader in Iraq, right beside a city airport.

Actually I haven't. I have been talking about geopolitics. In our discussion I have been talking about nations "punching above their weight" and your naive views.

Who Syria makes friends with is not the immediate issue here, it's more to do with thousands of US expats in clear and present danger and a country which is now vowing revenge upon the US which may well overstretch World and your Homeland security somewhat.

They moved there. They can move somewhere else. Their problem they left the protection of the US mainland and US military. Much like how I will never be a tourist in Iraq because of risks involved.I made my choice, they made their choice. Their choice has risks which is their problem.

Which part of 'Wake Up!' don't you get, Daddy?

When you stop talking about fictions maybe I will consider what you have said a wake up call.

 

[oldbadger]

I pointed out the UK backed down once Iran seized vessels under false pretenses. That does not mean the UK is a coward. It means the UK can not handle escalations on it's own.

I see you've changed your ideas about cowardice, which is good.
And 'No', you're a bit muddked there.,... you mentioned the Iranian tanker seized by Britain at Gibraltar, not the Stenna Tanker seized by Iran and now released.

Also note how you didn't counter my point about Obama's deal you just used an emoticon to cover up your failure. Nor did you address the point that people freely moved out of the US. Try again.

President Obama;'s deal was supported by scores of countries. They won't support this dreadful recent incident nor the ensuing troubles.

Only based on Iran saying it won't go to Syria all after Iran refused to release UK and other vessels. Try again. More so Iran lied and played the UK like a chump. Now the UK gets to write mean letters. Impressive.

President Trump has not featured any of your ideas, really. He's just made amazing claims about how his actions have been so righteous.

Maybe. I see the status quo really.

You do?

 

[Shad]

I see you've changed your ideas about cowardice, which is good.

No you just projected it, nothing more.

And 'No', you're a bit muddked there.,... you mentioned the Iranian tanker seized by Britain at Gibraltar, not the Stenna Tanker seized by Iran and now released.

Read the article. It is the same tanker I was talking about. The same tanker released by a judge. You tripped yourself up, nothing more. More so UK demanded a release which was refused by Iran.. Try again.

[President Obama;'s deal was supported by scores of countries. They won't support this dreadful recent incident nor the ensuing troubles.

So what? It was not ratified. You thought it was a treaty when it wasn't. I corrected you. Trump is not obligated to follow Obama nor what other nations say. He is POTUS not POTE(arth). The EU has already noted Iran violated the deal.

President Trump has not featured any of your ideas, really. He's just made amazing claims about how his actions have been so righteous.

He is BSing. If you think I believe it you are mistaken. The Iranian General was a problem. A problem that ended up being in a nation-state that is a puppet of the US. A state that won't freak out over the US military taking action in it's airspace. It was a strike of opportunity to remove a figure that is a problem for US interests. The US can put whatever smiles and roses on their actions they wish. I am not buying.

You do?

Yup. The US has been using drones for years to kill people of interest even it's own citizens.

 

[oldbadger]

Actually I haven't. I have been talking about geopolitics. In our discussion I have been talking about nations "punching above their weight" and your naive views.

.Check out the Thread Title.
Stick to title or clear off, is my suggestion.

They moved there. They can move somewhere else. Their problem they left the protection of the US mainland and US military. Much like how I will never be a tourist in Iraq because of risks involved.I made my choice, they made their choice. Their choice has risks which is their problem.

Wow! @Shad , look at what you wrote about United States Citizens now at extreme risk in the Middle East. The US has called upon all expats to look for their safety but look at what you just wrote, repeated here so that it is in full type-size..... I cannot believe it.......... even President Trump would never say this!

Shad wrote it:-
They moved there. They can move somewhere else. Their problem they left the protection of the US mainland and US military. Much like how I will never be a tourist in Iraq because of risks involved.I made my choice, they made their choice. Their choice has risks which is their problem.

 

[oldbadger]

@Shad ........ after what you wrote in the post above..... I think we're done.

See ya later....

 

[Shad]

.Check out the Thread Title.

So what? I quoted a specific part of your post for a reason. I was correcting you.

Stick to title or clear off, is my suggestion.

You babbled about Syria before I did. Try again.

Wow! @Shad , look at what you wrote about United States Citizens now at extreme risk in the Middle East. The US has called upon all expats to look for their safety but look at what you just wrote, repeated here so that it is in full type-size..... I cannot believe it.......... even President Trump would never say this!

Say outright? No. One has to keep the drones in check. Now look at reality. How many military actions have been called off due to expats? Can you name any?

[Shad wrote it:-
They moved there. They can move somewhere else. Their problem they left the protection of the US mainland and US military. Much like how I will never be a tourist in Iraq because of risks involved.I made my choice, they made their choice. Their choice has risks which is their problem.

It is their problem. I am pointing out a reality. When people leave the safety of their nation they assume the risks not the government of the nation they left. Perhaps moving to unstable areas of the world is a bad idea...