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Top Iranian General Killed in Airstrike
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oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Prove it. And explain how this has protected US expats all over the middle East and Asia.
Let's see how smart this attack has been, eh?
exchemist
Veteran Member
Or an Archduke Franz Ferdinand moment?.............
It's hard to say, though I would concede the possibility that the US government may be lying about the reason for the attack. They've done things like this before.
One thing seems clear is that whatever hatred exists, it seems to have gone on for generations. Part of the problem seems to have originated with the fact that prior to WW2, the US had almost zero involvement in the Middle East. Other nations held hegemony in the region, mainly Britain and France. The problem was that WW2 weakened Britain and France and left a power vacuum in the world, while the US and USSR were competing for hegemony in vulnerable regions.
But it also put US policymakers in a position where they had to make decisions about regions where they had very little experience and knew next to nothing about. The American people were largely insulated and left in the dark about these things. We were simply told that America was fighting for freedom and making the world safe for democracy, which implies that anyone who opposes us must simply be evil. There is no other explanation, and this is how American foreign policy has been sold to the American people since WW2. And it's clear that there are still plenty out there who fervently believe this.
Of course, a lot of people hate America for this, and this has been going on long before Trump ever came on the scene. Americans believe that what their government is doing is good, so those who tell us they hate us merely have the effect of convincing Americans that they're truly battling evil. It's not supposed to make any sense, but it gives us a good excuse to fight. More is the pity.
Over the course of my life, I've seen how many Americans from all over the political spectrum can get suckered into "war fever." It was especially acute during periods of crises involving the Middle East, such as the Iranian takeover of the US embassy in 1979 - and obviously after 9/11. Even politicians considered to be "liberal" have shown their warmongering side on occasion.
I've tended to be a peacenik myself, but people like me are in the minority. And if one expresses a desire for peace, the warmongers will viciously attack them and call them "commies" or "traitors" or worse. It becomes even more difficult whenever the people of the Middle East work themselves up into a frenzy of hatred against us. Then the warmongers can point at them and say "There, you see? They're evil! They want to destroy us all!"
You should not be surprised to see people call out on Trump's destructive irresponsible actions, indeed.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Well if the US embassy wasn't attacked, I don't think anyone would even be discussing this.
Trump didn't start this. Iran did by attacking the embassy in Bagdad.
If that is what you think is a key point then you need to listen to what the world is saying about all this.
To kill this general who fought alongside US forces against the Taliban and in Syria has been a very very bad idea. Very bad. Let's wait and see how much damage this will cause, and how many thousands of US expats it has put in danger.
Well, I guess we'll see. The thing is, we've done this kind of thing before, such as taking out Bin Laden and the ISIS leader they just attacked. I'm not saying it's a good thing. In fact, I've been saying the exact opposite all along. We don't belong in the Middle East. We have no business being there. In fact, we have no business being in Asia, Europe, or Africa either. It's because of an interventionist foreign policy that we find ourselves in these crises in the first place. We never should have embarked on that kind of reckless adventurism.
But that's not up to me. Other people make those kinds of decisions, and to their discredit, they don't consult me first.
The major crime of interventionism has already been committed, and it's clear that this has led to the commission of many smaller, less significant crimes in the process. This is to be expected. I remember when there was much public debate over the invasion of Iraq before it happened, and there were a lot of warmongers and cheerleaders pushing for war. People were acting like we were going over to play a football game. And many of them are still acting like Dudley Do-Right, trying to convince people that we're running a "clean war." It's that mentality that I challenge. People who say "it's okay that we have troops over there, but killing the Iranian general, that's bad."
I hope this airstrike will noticeably speed our departure from the region. The USA has been decreasing its presence in the Middle East according to this expert writing just 17 days ago. "...the Trump administration is learning that pulling back from the Middle East is neither easy nor without risks and costs..."
https://www.cfr.org/article/post-american-middle-east
https://www.cfr.org/article/post-american-middle-east
That doesn't mean he's absolved of all consequences pertaining to this issue.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It was an Iranian backed militia that had carried out attacks that is responsible.
You know, reality is a good thing to consider.
Fantasy has its own uses, but you are overindulging in it.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It was a preventative strike as more attacks were being planned for the future by this man.
U.S. Strike in Iraq Kills Qassim Suleimani, Commander of Iranian Forces
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“General Suleimani was actively developing plans to attack American diplomats and service members in Iraq and throughout the region,” the Pentagon said in a statement. “General Suleimani and his Quds Force were responsible for the deaths of hundreds of American and coalition service members and the wounding of thousands more.”
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
If you think so.
Yes I thought that too,indeed I was surprised he didn't over the tanker but maybe the opportunity to get this guy was too tempting and Donny boy thought it was worth the risk of escalating into a war,I have no praise for him at all.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
For me, I don't care what Hillary thinks.
I'm more interested in what Colin Powell says about the matter if anything.
I understand that. But there will be consequences. Imagine Iran executing a strike against the Vice President of America. Boy, that'll teach them to get off our grass. Oops they declared war. Millions will now suffer.