towards understanding the concept of just of the non Abrahamicreligions

[Father Heathen]

Problem with hell is that what crime could possibly be proportionate to burning for eternity? Seems rather unjust, excessive, and totally unnecessary. I could probably see someone burning in hell for a duration for more serious, heinous crimes against the innocent. But not for more petty, particularly victimless crimes, and definitely not for eternity.

 

[islam abduallah]

These are good questions that I can't answer. Like I said, I personally believe it's more complicated than that. I just reported the more common thinking.

i have to greet you for your honesty

do you agree with me that the right religion has to answer all the doubts or it won't be a right complete belief?

 

[religion99]

i noticed that non Abrahamic religions followers see the concept of hell and the Judgement are flaws in religions like Islam, Christianity and judhism, so i'd like to understand somthing about the non- Abrahamic religions
i think all of the religions believe that god is the absolute just and fair, so i'm asking if he's like that and there's no other life, why i couldn't see the signs of that just in that life?, for example a child was born in Canada as an example, his parents provides him by every thing he wishes, best doctors could examine him if needed, he is wearing clothes from the best brands all over the world, and till now he didn't do anything for the god to be rewarded for, on the other hand i could see another child born in Somalia who dies due to hunger and thirst, also he's living as a naked in the winter because his parents couldn't find a piece of leather to cover him by, and he didn't do any mistake or sin to be punished for, where's the Just here??

centuries ago, some countries invades Africa and steal the African wealth and treat them as slaves and build by their money a civilization and leave them naked, couldn't find what to wear or eat, while there's no interaction from the god, so how then could say that the god is just, he didn't stop the murders and allow them to steal, kill and to build civilization by other's money and he left the victims poor naked,... where's the just here?

According to Jainism , Universe is not instantaneously just and hence you don't see an instant justice. There is a time lag between cause and effect. good deed and good fruits , evil deeds and evil fruits. Deeds happen first , fruits come after some time and hence this illusion of injustice. Universe is just in long run , according to Jainism. , and this justice is self-enforced , there is no God who regulates the Universe , according to Jainism. So , if you live an honest life , show compassion to Humans and animals , follow non-violence , you will get the fruits , regardless of you follow Jainism or not.

 

[islam abduallah]

According to Jainism , Universe is not instantaneously just and hence you don't see an instant justice. There is a time lag between cause and effect. good deed and good fruits , evil deeds and evil fruits. Deeds happen first , fruits come after some time and hence this illusion of injustice. Universe is just in long run , according to Jainism. , and this justice is self-enforced , there is no God who regulates the Universe , according to Jainism. So , if you live an honest life , show compassion to Humans and animals , follow non-violence , you will get the fruits , regardless of you follow Jainism or not.

i could understand the time lagging, and we believe in the same lag, no problem for me to understand it
but how there's no god regulates the universe? how creates us ?

 

[religion99]

Existence is our Attribute. All Attributes are beginning-less and endless. Hence , our existence is beginning-less and endless. Hence , nobody created us.

 

[islam abduallah]

Existence is our Attribute. All Attributes are beginning-less and endless. Hence , our existence is beginning-less and endless. Hence , nobody created us.

are you sure? so could you tell me how this universe was began?

 

[religion99]

Existence is Attribute of all substances in the Universe. All Attributes are beginning-less and endless. Hence , existence of all substances is beginning-less and endless. Hence , nobody created any Substance.

Since Universe is nothing but sum total of all the Substances , existence of Universe is also beginning-less and endless. Hence , nobody created Universe.

 

[Riverwolf]

do you agree with me that the right religion has to answer all the doubts or it won't be a right complete belief?

Nope, because different people have different questions, and many people like to nitpick (complaining about little things). I've never come across a religion that was nitpick-proof.

I don't believe in a single right religion, because I don't believe it's about answering questions about the world; it's about reaching the Supreme, whatever it may be called.

There's a saying in Hinduism: the true Guru (essentially Spiritual Teacher) doesn't teach you about the nature of reality, or which God to worship if any; the true Guru teaches you how to tie your shoes.

 

[islam abduallah]

Nope, because different people have different questions, and many people like to nitpick (complaining about little things). I've never come across a religion that was nitpick-proof.

I don't believe in a single right religion, because I don't believe it's about answering questions about the world; it's about reaching the Supreme, whatever it may be called.

There's a saying in Hinduism: the true Guru (essentially Spiritual Teacher) doesn't teach you about the nature of reality, or which God to worship if any; the true Guru teaches you how to tie your shoes.

right religion has to answer all the questions, but not all the people will be convinced by that answers, but the followers of each religion have to be fully convinced by their religion answers or they have to look for another religion, and i think the justice is a very important subject not a little thing

 

[Riverwolf]

right religion has to answer all the questions, but not all the people will be convinced by that answers, but the followers of each religion have to be fully convinced by their religion answers or they have to look for another religion, and i think the justice is a very important subject not a little thing

Well, I disagree. Some questions will always remain unanswered.

I did give my opinion on justice: that it's a human construct and not an aspect of the universe as a whole. This is not taught explicitly in my religion; this is my own insight based indirectly on some of my religion's cosmology.

 

[islam abduallah]

Existence is Attribute of all substances in the Universe. All Attributes are beginning-less and endless. Hence , existence of all substances is beginning-less and endless. Hence , nobody created any Substance.

Since Universe is nothing but sum total of all the Substances , existence of Universe is also beginning-less and endless. Hence , nobody created Universe.

i can't understand what do you mean by beginning less and endless, could you clear your thoughts more?

 

[islam abduallah]

Well, I disagree. Some questions will always remain unanswered.

I did give my opinion on justice: that it's a human construct and not an aspect of the universe as a whole. This is not taught explicitly in my religion; this is my own insight based indirectly on some of my religion's cosmology.

my dear, could you give me an example of a question which couldn't be answered

who tells you that your belief is the best belief, may if you search for another one, you could answer all of your questions and doubts, you will not lose anything

 

[Riverwolf]

my dear, could you give me an example of a question which couldn't be answered

What were the mechanics of the universe beginning?

who tells you that your belief is the best belief, may if you search for another one, you could answer all of your questions and doubts, you will not lose anything

My practices work for me, and the beliefs of my religion match, more or less, with my observations.

 

[Riverwolf]

i can't understand what do you mean by beginning less and endless, could you clear your thoughts more?

The idea is that the universe doesn't have a beginning, and will never end.

 

[islam abduallah]

The idea is that the universe doesn't have a beginning, and will never end.

thank you very much

 

[islam abduallah]

i feel that some posts had been removed, could i know the reason?

 

[Me Myself]

as a muslim, i agree that it's unfair to have infinite punishment for a finite amount of actions

Nice !

but could you tell me how Karma do the absolute just ?

I am not sure I understand the question. Would you mind specify a bit more?

 

[islam abduallah]

Nice !

don't think that means i'm not convinced by the concept of the eternal hell

I am not sure I understand the question. Would you mind specify a bit more?

how could Karma achieves the absolute Justice?

 

[Gjallarhorn]

how could Karma achieves the absolute Justice?

Is it supposed to?

 

[Riverwolf]

how could Karma achieves the absolute Justice?

How would you define absolute justice?