towards understanding the concept of just of the non Abrahamicreligions

[Riverwolf]

Allah gave them many chances to repent and regret at that life, i'll give you an example, Mubarak our former president, he spent 30 years as a dictator, working on destroying the egyptian economy, sold our resources to our enemies by the cheapest prices, he was fighting allah for 30 years, now Allah gae him a great chance to repent and to regret and to fix what he broke and to admit by his faults but he's insisting on denying and doing crimes while he's behind the prison, Allah knows well if that man live 1000 time he would do the same

And I don't believe that. Even the most arrogant man's pride can be broken.

well, we begin to be closer now, was my soul in a former body?

I believe so, yes.

 

[Riverwolf]

so is what you are living now, is your first life? do you know a person who is living now his second life

Second? We believe that we've lived countless lives before this, and will continue to do so.

 

[Me Myself]

first thank you for answering my questions


so, is this life our first one or second? did we reborn before? did anybody allover the earth reborn before?

I am not sure I understand your question. If they are poor the most likely did stuff in their past lifes to be poor. Other explanation I have heard is that not necesarily they did "bad" karma to be poor, but it was more that the soul felt that it will learn more from poverty than from wealth so it decided to be poor.

You may tell me if that adresses your question [/QUOTE]

i think you understand my question well, but the people in somailia "for example" didn't remember that, they are asking day and night to be secured from poverty, if they choose that by their own will, they will remember that and they will not ask for saving them from poverty as it would lead them to the paradise, i think this concept is just theory and it has no relation with what we are facing in life.


[/QUOTE]
Attonement for what the victim did in a past life. If the victim suffered is because the victim diserved it, once s/he already sufferedwhat s/he had made others suffer in past or current life it gains more understanding of why s/he shouldn´t do unto others that which was done into him/her.[/QUOTE]

another question why the current criminals didn't learn from their former lives?[/QUOTE]

The person may not conciously remember, but the soul does remember and the memories can be had in the inconciousness.

People keep making mistakes because it takes a lot of time to cleanse them entirely of ill intentions.

Some kids learn with one punishment, some others need several punishments. Also, they may have done one crime and have learn never to do that crime again, but they may do new crimes different to those they have been punished.

You may thinkit is just theory, that is okay, I think a lot of your concepts are just theory too.

Glad you appreaciate the answers anyways

 

[islam abduallah]

Hmmm, more specifically, any living thing has a soul (the soul is life itself).

i'm not talking about each living thing, just the human being, could we have a soul without body or the vice versa

 

[Riverwolf]

i'm not talking about each living thing, just the human being, could we have a soul without body or the vice versa

Whatever applies to human beings applies to every living thing, in this case.

If the soul is life itself, then the question becomes: can life exist without a body?

 

[Madhuri]

i'm not talking about each living thing, just the human being, could we have a soul without body or the vice versa

A life can exist without a body, as Riverwolf put it. But a body cannot be alive without a soul, since the soul is life itself. Therefore, when the body dies, it means the soul has departed.

 

[Riverwolf]

A life can exist without a body, as Riverwolf put it.

Well, I didn't actually say that; I just asked if it was the case. The answer would depend heavily on how we define "life."

 

[Madhuri]

Well, I didn't actually say that; I just asked if it was the case. The answer would depend heavily on how we define "life."

I think my mind automatically rearranged what you had written

 

[atanu]

To Islam

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2587499-post98.html

 

[islam abduallah]

Of course not. Your brain holds memory and you did not have the same brain in another life.
In my religion, the belief is that the soul matures with every living experience. Therefore, even if you do not carry memories (which is good, because many life experiences cause trauma and emotional problems) you still become a wiser and better individual, closer to God.

The fact that you have devotion for God and seek truth is an indication that you have had many lives before now. It means that you have experienced much joy and suffering in other life times to bring you to a point of maturity and growth that causes you to want God.

Hmmm, i think that suffering and joy affect both soul and body, so it's important to remember it by our brains, this will add more experience, do you agree with that?

 

[Madhuri]

Hmmm, i think that suffering and joy affect both soul and body, so it's important to remember it by our brains, this will add more experience, do you agree with that?

Possibly, but I'm not completely sure that I understand you properly.

What do you mean when you say that it is important to remember it by our brains?

It is important that we have a brain to perceive and interpret the world. That is why we have a brain.

 

[islam abduallah]

What do you mean by non-action? Our existence is a series of actions.

To address the first question, beneath the physical body is the astral body, which is connected to the spiritual 'body' or spirit-soul. The mind influences the consciousness that is the soul. That and the astral body are what exists beyond the physical. What you do and think right now affects and leaves impressions (samskara) on the consciousness.

Life is about learning and growth. Each life is an 'evolution' of consciousness. Your state of consciousness when you die carries to the next life. Have you noticed that some people seem to be born very wise and others are very ignorant and constantly make stupid decision in life? And some people are more inclined to spirituality while others are more inclined to frivolity? This is because of their stage of growth/maturity on the level of consciousness.

We do not need our memories to grow. It is a natural progression. Eventually, in some life time, the individual reaches the ultimate state of realisation/knowledge/enlightenment in which they realise the truth nature of the Self and of God. This is when complete communion with God is achieved, and when we become liberated from material existence.

That is the point of life and of this world, according to my beliefs. To learn. To grow. To discover God in this natural process.

that's great theory, people are different in wise, knowledge,... due to their experience and growth

so the first couple of the humanity were equal in every thing, could you tell me your belief about the first human or you don't believe in that?

 

[islam abduallah]

Possibly, but I'm not completely sure that I understand you properly.

What do you mean when you say that it is important to remember it by our brains?

It is important that we have a brain to perceive and interpret the world. That is why we have a brain.

to remember the suffering and joy in the former lives

 

[islam abduallah]

So, while we're here, we're screwed, but once we get there, we're fine?

or bad based on our work in our life, right?

And maybe it's right. There's an equal chance for both. But if God is a King, He really sucks at it, therefore I can't call Him perfect.

i think the belief doesn't bear the word ""maybe" you should be 100% sure from what you believe in? otherwise, you have to look for another belief which could reach that 100%

i can't understand you about the god is a king so he really sucks at it what do you mean

 

[Madhuri]

to remember the suffering and joy in the former lives

You don't need to remember the details of former lives in order to be affected by them.

 

[islam abduallah]

I will like to see this from Koran -- that Allah says that He knows that 'they are trying to deceive Him and thus punishes them'.

I feel that these are ideas in your own mind.

do you read the verses i posted?

 

[Madhuri]

that's great theory, people are different in wise, knowledge,... due to their experience and growth

so the first couple of the humanity were equal in every thing, could you tell me your belief about the first human or you don't believe in that?

Souls do not begin as humans. We start out in lower forms of life and progress from there. That is partly why Hindus have respect for animals and many are vegetarian because we recognise that animals are also souls.

 

[islam abduallah]

You don't need to remember the details of former lives in order to be affected by them.

how come? it would add more wise and experience

 

[Madhuri]

how come? it would add more wise and experience

Not necessarily. It would more likely be a huge burden.

 

[Madhuri]

It should be noted that some people apparently can and do remember parts of previous lives. I don't know why this happens, but it is considered to be the influence of the astral body (which lies within the physical body), 'projecting' these memories forward to the physical brain.

I'm not very good at explaining this.