trangender man shoots up Christian school

[Shadow Wolf]

Christians Some Christians are a thorn in the side for transpeople.

You seem to not have read my post under that.
But, yeah, Christians. Buddhists? Hindus? Wiccans? Satanists? They aren't trying to legislate us into the closet and out of site or preaching we're a danger to others.

 

[Orbit]

Because I suspect that when the manifesto becomes public, it will outline a hatred not just for this one school or those particular kids who bullied him, but for Christianity, which does not adopt the transgender ideology. I suspect that the man will declare that the Christianity and Christians are jointly responsible for what he views as a personal threat against him, thus making it "okay" for him to target perfectly innocent people simply because they were at a Christian school. But that's just me feeling out the probability, what I think will likely happen. Until the manifesto is made public, it is only an intelligent guess.

That's a lot of premature speculation.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Only this morning, I heard that news report. The report said, a woman. Persons were surprised. 'A Woman!'
A reporter said, that of all the school shootings... some 4 thousand, I think, only four of those shooters were women.
Anyway, I commented that this might have been an attack on persons professing belief in God, and we must expect more to come, as the world moves more toward atheism, and away from God.
People are becoming more and more angry, and they are becoming more hateful of those who defend God, because they are tired of hearing about God.
The demonic forces are behind it, as Revelation 12:12 is under fulfillment.

There is no prophecy being fulfilled. It's people being fed up with hypocritical Christians taking the rights of others, demonizing groups who aren't them, expecting us all to have to conform to their dogma, all while ignoring much of what their Bible says, such as all the hate aimed at queers while embracing those who are divorced and remarried. There is all kinds of wrong with that, but it's the normal mode of operation for Chriatians, especially Conservative and affluent ones. Thkse richy pukes have even called the cops on a statue of their messiah sleeping on a park bench so we can say their own messiah isn't even safe from them.

 

[nPeace]

Fewer people are Christian but the conservative half are doubling down with their desire for theocracy. That does make people angry. It shouldn't come down to shooting people though. A mentally stable person would not react so violently. Unfortunately our society is creating angry people. Why????

Interesting that you should mention "mentally stable".
People don't like to hear what Christians understand about why many people today are not "mentally stable".
I don't think saying it a million times will change their view either. I think most people like to see things up close and personal, especially when it comes to things they don't readily accept.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Interesting that you should mention "mentally stable".
People don't like to hear what Christians understand about why many people today are not "mentally stable".
I don't think saying it a million times will change their view either. I think most people like to see things up close and personal, especially when it comes to things they don't readily accept.

What do Christians understand? I hope it's biologically-sound understanding.

 

[nPeace]

What do Christians understand? I hope it's biologically-sound understanding.

Why would you want for Christians, what you don't want for yourself?
What Christians understand is profoundly more important to life than knowing for example, that DNA has a double strand.
Are you aware that if biologist knew what Christians understand, they would solve 95% of the world's problems?
Is that not something worth considering?

Just look around at this world. So many people are aware of the fact that there is a lot of "crazy stuff" impacting our lives.
I'm glad I know what Christians understand.
More importantly, I am happy sharing it with people who are glad to know.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Only this morning, I heard that news report. The report said, a woman. Persons were surprised. 'A Woman!'
A reporter said, that of all the school shootings... some 4 thousand, I think, only four of those shooters were women.
Anyway, I commented that this might have been an attack on persons professing belief in God, and we must expect more to come, as the world moves more toward atheism, and away from God.
People are becoming more and more angry, and they are becoming more hateful of those who defend God, because they are tired of hearing about God.
The demonic forces are behind it, as Revelation 12:12 is under fulfillment.

I think waiting for facts to come out would be much more responsible than jumping to conclusions and already pinning this on atheism or "demonic forces." There's enough religious and political division without that kind of generalization.

 

[Yazata]

Transgender man shoots up Christian school

The news stories are all over the map about this shooter, but last I heard she was a biological female who "identified" as a male (whatever that means). So if that's true, she was a woman. Perhaps a woman with a psychiatric difficulty ("gender dysphoria" or whatever) but a woman nevertheless.

Question: is this a targeting of a religion because it won't go along with teh transgender ideology? Because if that is the case, then this is a hate crime. We can only wait and see what investigation reveals. So far, the state's representative is calling for the shooter's manifesto to be made public. I think that's a good idea.

I don't know what the motivation was. It may indeed be a "hate-crime" (I don't like that concept since it creates thought-crimes) but the shooter is dead so it really doesn't matter a whole lot. This woman is never going to be prosecuted for multiple murder, which is what this was whatever its motivation.

 

[Jose Fly]

So now we have conservatives and Christians starting to use this shooting as a reason to engage in more anti-trans hate, with many saying or implying that the shooting is some sort of indictment against trans folks.

Now, I'm sure most sane, rational people will recognize that for the fallacious thinking that it is. After all, if one shooting by a trans person is somehow representative of trans folks as a whole, what then do all the shootings by cis-gender men say about that group? IOW, most of us will see right through their ridiculous line of reasoning. So the question is, why can't the right-wing Christians see the same thing?

IMO, like a lot of what we see from fundamentalist Christians, it comes down to....

The relation between intelligence and religiosity: a meta-analysis and some proposed explanations - PubMed

A meta-analysis of 63 studies showed a significant negative association between intelligence and religiosity. The association was stronger for college students and the general population than for participants younger than college age; it was also stronger for religious beliefs than religious...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Debater Slayer]

The news stories are all over the map about this shooter, but last I heard she was a biological female who "identified" as a male (whatever that means). So if that's true, she was a woman. Perhaps a woman with a psychiatric difficulty ("gender dysphoria" or whatever) but a woman nevertheless.

Being a woman is not synonymous with being biologically female. The person who did this was an unhinged murderer, and their actions shouldn't be used to invalidate trans people in general or make political statements about the medical topics of transitioning and gender identity.

 

[nPeace]

I think waiting for facts to come out would be much more responsible than jumping to conclusions and already pinning this on atheism or "demonic forces." There's enough religious and political division without that kind of generalization.

Thank you, but I am not jumping to conclusions.
If 5 million people saw Michael Jackson dancing on their bed, do you think that because 5 billion do not believe it, that would cause the 5 million to keep quite?
Think about it.

While you mean well, in not wanting people to voice their opinions, views, ideas, hypotheses... people will.
Can't stop people from doing this. Right?
I commented that this might have been an attack on persons professing belief in God, and we must expect more to come, as the world moves more toward atheism, and away from God.

I did not say that I know conclusively the reason for the attack, but at the same time, I'm expressing what I firmly believe. What I am sure of. What is actually a fact...
People are becoming more and more angry, and they are becoming more hateful of those who defend God, because they are tired of hearing about God.

Remember, I talk to people on a regular basis. It's what I see.
Children as young as 5 get doors slammed in their face, merely sharing something from the Bible with a householder... and that's not the half of it.
I am living the change... 30 years now.
This is not a case of a lack of technology, or worldwide coverage.
This is living experience, and I am not alone. Millions attest to this... even those not in this work.

So, you are actually telling someone, who is saying what they know, and what they believe... The demonic forces are behind it, as Revelation 12:12 is under fulfillment. "Hey. Pin It."

I believe you mean well, but look at it this way. Suppose we are so under demonic influence, that we don't realize that we are actually being influenced to say what we say... and do what we do.
We may actually be surprised at what we do, because we might think it's beyond us... as some have discovered.

The demons are real B. You don't have to believe it, but I do.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Thank you, but I am not jumping to conclusions.
If 5 million people saw Michael Jackson dancing on their bed, do you think that because 5 billion do not believe it, that would cause the 5 million to keep quite?
Think about it.

While you mean well, in not wanting people to voice their opinions, views, ideas, hypotheses... people will.
Can't stop people from doing this. Right?
I commented that this might have been an attack on persons professing belief in God, and we must expect more to come, as the world moves more toward atheism, and away from God.

I did not say that I know conclusively the reason for the attack, but at the same time, I'm expressing what I firmly believe. What I am sure of. What is actually a fact...
People are becoming more and more angry, and they are becoming more hateful of those who defend God, because they are tired of hearing about God.

I don't think speculation is justified here either, especially not when it's so religiously and ideologically charged.

Remember, I talk to people on a regular basis. It's what I see.
Children as young as 5 get doors slammed in their face, merely sharing something from the Bible with a householder... and that's not the half of it.
I am living the change... 30 years now.
This is not a case of a lack of technology, or worldwide coverage.
This is living experience, and I am not alone. Millions attest to this... even those not in this work.

So, you are actually telling someone, who is saying what they know, and what they believe... The demonic forces are behind it, as Revelation 12:12 is under fulfillment. "Hey. Pin It."

I believe you mean well, but look at it this way. Suppose we are so under demonic influence, that we don't realize that we are actually being influenced to say what we say... and do what we do.
We may actually be surprised at what we do, because we might think it's beyond us... as some have discovered.

The demons are real B. You don't have to believe it, but I do.

A lot of people believe their beliefs are the only truth and also face rejection when they preach. I don't see how this is relevant to the motives behind a shooting.

 

[Jose Fly]

People are becoming more and more angry, and they are becoming more hateful of those who defend God, because they are tired of hearing about God.

Remember, I talk to people on a regular basis. It's what I see.
Children as young as 5 get doors slammed in their face, merely sharing something from the Bible with a householder... and that's not the half of it.
I am living the change... 30 years now.
This is not a case of a lack of technology, or worldwide coverage.
This is living experience, and I am not alone. Millions attest to this... even those not in this work.

I got news for ya....it's not any sort of "demonic forces" behind those sorts of things. It's that Christianity is becoming increasingly associated with hate, bigotry, and oppression of others. So when Christians show up at someone's door to try and convert them, a lot of folks want no part of it and express that in blunt terms, such as slamming doors, name-calling, etc.

For the last several years I've wondered how things would go as the mainstream and liberal Christian denominations rapidly declined, while the more conservative ones declined at slower rates (in the US). Well, it looks like Christianity in the US has become dominated by the crazies and haters, which is making the faith a lot less appealing, which is exacerbating its decline, which is causing the crazies to be even more paranoid and angry, which is making even more people reject the faith.....

IOW, it's in a pretty significant, self-perpetuating downward spiral.

 

[nPeace]

I don't think speculation is justified here either, especially not when it's so religiously and ideologically charged.

Under Religious Debates. I think it is.

A lot of people believe their beliefs are the only truth and also face rejection when they preach. I don't see how this is relevant to the motives behind a shooting.

The motive for the shooting? Me neither.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Why would you want for Christians, what you don't want for yourself?
What Christians understand is profoundly more important to life than knowing for example, that DNA has a double strand.
Are you aware that if biologist knew what Christians understand, they would solve 95% of the world's problems?
Is that not something worth considering?

Just look around at this world. So many people are aware of the fact that there is a lot of "crazy stuff" impacting our lives.
I'm glad I know what Christians understand.
More importantly, I am happy sharing it with people who are glad to know.

Can you answer my two questions? Also can you give me specifics on solving the world's problems? Not sure what your first sentence means.

 

[nPeace]

Can you answer my two questions?

Sure. I'm sorry.
Most people do not accept the answer given, so I wasn't sure, the answer would matter here.

A mentally stable person would not react so violently. Unfortunately our society is creating angry people. Why????
Simply put. People are not under the influence of God's holy spirit, but under the influence of the spirit of this world, under the control of the wicked/evil one.

Spoiler: Source

Galatians 5:
16 But I say, Keep walking by spirit+ and you will carry out no fleshly desire at all. 17 For the flesh is against the spirit in its desire, and the spirit against the flesh; these are opposed to each other, so that you do not do the very things you want to do. 18 Furthermore, if you are being led by spirit, you are not under law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are plainly seen, and they are sexual immorality, uncleanness, brazen conduct, 20 idolatry, spiritism, hostility, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, dissensions, divisions, sects, 21 envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and things like these. I am forewarning you about these things, the same way I already warned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit God’s Kingdom.
22 On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience,* kindness, goodness, faith, 23 mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Moreover, those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed to the stake the flesh together with its passions and desires.
25 If we are living by spirit, let us also go on walking orderly by spirit. 26 Let us not become egotistical, stirring up competition with one another, envying one another.

1 Corinthians 2:12
Now we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit that is from God, so that we might know the things that have been kindly given us by God.

1 John 5:19
We know that we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.

What do Christians understand?
Christians understand that avoiding this worlds spirit, leads to a calm heart, peace of mind, and a meaningful, life of joy and happiness, with great gain.
They understand that the world with its entertainment, materialistic goals, and spirit, fuels and leads to negative influences which results in pain and suffering, and unhappiness.

Also can you give me specifics on solving the world's problems?

Some of the world's major problems include physical and mental health issues, poverty, terrorism, drug addition, crime, fraud, racial disharmony, pollution, and many, many other things. List of Global Issues

Spoiler: Problems

Promiscuity in adults
Having multiple sexual partners is linked with risks such as maternal deaths and complications, cancers, sexually transmitted infections, alcohol, and substance use, and social condemnation in some societies.

Effects of human sexual promiscuity - Wikipedia​

Smoking causes cancer, heart disease, stroke, lung diseases, diabetes, and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), which includes emphysema and chronic bronchitis. Smoking also increases risk for tuberculosis, certain eye diseases, and problems of the immune system, including rheumatoid arthritis.

Health Effects | Smoking and Tobacco Use - CDC​

Drug use can lead to dependence and addiction, injury and accidents, health problems, sleep issues, and more. Drug use affects you and those close to you.

Know the Risks of Using Drugs | SAMHSA​

Smoking causes cancer, heart disease, stroke, lung diseases, diabetes, and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), which includes emphysema and chronic bronchitis. Smoking also increases risk for tuberculosis, certain eye diseases, and problems of the immune system, including rheumatoid arthritis.

Health Effects | Smoking and Tobacco Use - CD​

Violence a global public health problem - SciELO​

Community violence can include physical assaults between young people, sexual violence in the workplace and neglect of older people

Profanity | World Problems & Global Issue​

Union of International Associations
http://encyclopedia.uia.org › problem
Profanity. Other Names: Swearing Bad language. Indecent speech. Foul language. Vulgar language. Verbal obscenity. Swear words.

All of these problems become non-existent, when persons apply what the Bible advises.
Persons living by these standards ...
do not steal, murder, rape, commit terrorist acts, get involve in wars, they keep their surroundings and the environment clean - they do not litter, they do not defraud, or get involved in dishonest dealings, they are united in love, regardless of race, or background/culture, they do not use abusive speech, they are not adulterers, nor do they promote things that are harmful to ones health, such as drug and alcohol abuse... etc.

Not sure what your first sentence means.

The first sentence means that much of what you and most people have accepted, or believe, is not biologically sound.

 

[Jimmy]

I suspect most of the world will see this as yet another gunman shoots up yet another US school, and wonder if anything will ever end that country’s love affair with guns. Everything else may well seem incidental.

Most of the world sees this as a tragic event that has destroyed families and ripped hearts out.

 

[SomeRandom]

So now we have conservatives and Christians starting to use this shooting as a reason to engage in more anti-trans hate, with many saying or implying that the shooting is some sort of indictment against trans folks.

Now, I'm sure most sane, rational people will recognize that for the fallacious thinking that it is. After all, if one shooting by a trans person is somehow representative of trans folks as a whole, what then do all the shootings by cis-gender men say about that group? IOW, most of us will see right through their ridiculous line of reasoning. So the question is, why can't the right-wing Christians see the same thing?

IMO, like a lot of what we see from fundamentalist Christians, it comes down to....

The relation between intelligence and religiosity: a meta-analysis and some proposed explanations - PubMed

A meta-analysis of 63 studies showed a significant negative association between intelligence and religiosity. The association was stronger for college students and the general population than for participants younger than college age; it was also stronger for religious beliefs than religious...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I’ve already seen news outlets from the states do exactly what you’re describing

I’ll admit that I mostly rely on American leftist social media channels to break down such “events” for lack of a better term, for me. Since I don’t know the ins and outs of who’s doing what.
Not being an American
So I won’t pretend to be coming at this without bias.

I will say though
It’s honestly beyond disgusting and sad to say, I expected nothing less.

It’s easy for me to forget that this is mainly sensationalised news coverage and not the average American take of such a tragic event.
So I apologise for thinking that about Americans.

It’s just frustrating to watch

 

[SomeRandom]

I love how people just pretend that LGBT Christians don't exist. I'm a trans man and a Catholic. Most of the trans people I've known have been Christians and many of them go to church. I'm tired of people acting like we're all oppressed by religion and hate it, and there's no room for us in religion. I'm just being erased by both sides. I guess I don't exist.

Aww Saint, I may not be Christian/Catholic but you’re always welcome in my local temple, whenever you want




(My mother’s siblings went to Catholic schools growing up. So my family have always considered the Catholic faith as our siblings. Don’t know if the feeling is mutual, but I would hope I can find common ground with my Catholic brethren nonetheless.)

 

[nPeace]

Anytime you target a religion with violence, it's a hate crime. Doesn't matter if its Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, whatever.

There is no mitigating factor for shooting up little kids. Are you kidding me?

Also, when your crime is cold, calculated, murder, it's a hate crime.