"Trans" is clearly a hot topic. But what is it?

[Kfox]

Admiration, attention, imitation. That’s what first comes to mind.

Sounds kinda vague. Can you be a little more specific?

 

[Treasure Hunter]

Sounds kinda vague. Can you be a little more specific?

Well, help me out. Do you not understand the concept of identity or do you not know what it means to have the agency to embody a new identity? Do you believe that all identities are imposed (biologically, socially, etc) and that you can’t subjectively respond to any of your identities?

I don’t know if you are lacking agency, self awareness, or if it’s just a communication issue..

 

[Kfox]

Well, help me out. Do you not understand the concept of identity or do you not know what it means to have the agency to embody a new identity? Do you believe that all identities are imposed (biologically, socially, etc) and that you can’t subjectively respond to any of your identities?

I don’t know if you are lacking agency, self awareness, or if it’s just a communication issue..

I understand the concept of identity, as long as I know what it is I’m identifying as. When it comes to gender, I identify as a male because of my biology. If my biology were female, yet everything else about me were the same, I would identify as a female. But this is only because my gender identity is based on my biology. If we were to take biology out of the picture, I would have no idea what it means to identify as a male.

 

[We Never Know]

To me, it's a transsexual who transitions to the opposite sex to which they were born and strives to blend in as that. At the very least, gender/sex dysphoria is a basic trait. I don't like the term "transgender" as it's become pretty meaningless at this point, with a bunch of different groups thrown in together who have different goals and needs.

"transsexual who transitions to the opposite sex"

Would that be someone who transition all the way(private parts and etc)?


"transgender" as it's become pretty meaningless at this point"

Would this be someone who stays as they were born but lives as another gender?

 

[PureX]

Do you think the "I" is separate from the body? Or are we our bodies?

The “I” in “I am” is an idea formulated in our minds, and in the minds of others. The body is of no consequence without it.

 

[Estro Felino]

As usual, you're wrong. Not all medically transition. Not all need it. Not all want it. They still count as trans, even if they are normally a different category than those who do medically transition.

And what do they do exactly?

 

[Estro Felino]

Would this be someone who stays as they were born but lives as another gender?

lives as another gender...what does that mean? In the 21st century men and women wear exactly the same clothes...so I would like to understand what it means to "live as another gender",

 

[Estro Felino]

I understand the concept of identity, as long as I know what it is I’m identifying as. When it comes to gender, I identify as a male because of my biology. If my biology were female, yet everything else about me were the same, I would identify as a female. But this is only because my gender identity is based on my biology. If we were to take biology out of the picture, I would have no idea what it means to identify as a male.

Exactly...
Femininity and masculinity are very, very, very subjective so none of us will agree on what they are exactly.
Each of us will give a different definition,
So relying on objective reality like biology (sexual apparatus, endocrine system) is a must to define gender.

 

[Kfox]

Exactly...
Femininity and masculinity are very, very, very subjective so none of us will agree on what they are exactly.
Each of us will give a different definition,
So relying on objective reality like biology (sexual apparatus, endocrine system) is a must to define gender.

So what do they mean when they say; identify as a male or female?

 

[Estro Felino]

So what do they mean when they say; identify as a male or female?

You should ask them.
In law transsexualism means to change one's endocrine system (and sex apparatus) to change gender. At least where I live.
I guess wearing different clothes would be a laughable criterion since as I posted in post 27, men and women wear the same clothes in the 21st century.

 

[We Never Know]

lives as another gender...what does that mean? In the 21st century men and women wear exactly the same clothes...so I would like to understand what it means to "live as another gender",

Get beyond the clothes.

To my knowledge(I will be corrected) its a male or female who stays as they were born but lives a life opposite of as they were born.

I don't know how a male knows how a woman feels any more than a female knows how a male feels any more than Sally knows how a cat feels.

On average a cisfemale will spend 3,500 days(9.5 years) of her life menstruating.... transgender females don't.

 

[Estro Felino]

To my knowledge(I will be corrected) its a male or female who stays as they were born but lives a life opposite of as they were born.

I don't know how a male knows how a woman feels any more than a female knows how a male feels any more than Sally knows how a cat feels.

I mean on average a cisfemale will spend 3,500 days(9.5 years) of her life menstruating.... transgender females don't.

Which is impossible, I mean.
A man who transition into a woman (hormones, vaginoplasty) will never be a biological woman because that's not what transsexualism is. Transsexualism is not about imitation. It's not about fitting in.
It's about self-acceptance, and individualistic psychological and physical well-being.
It's something you do for yourself. Not for others.

 

[We Never Know]

Which is impossible, I mean.
A man who transition into a woman (hormones, vaginoplasty) will never be a biological woman because that's not what transsexualism is. Transsexualism is not about imitation. It's not about fitting in.
It's about self-acceptance, and individualistic psychological and physical well-being.
It's something you do for yourself. Not for others.

IMO...
-a person born a male will not be a female any more than this person is a cat.
-a person born a female will not be a male any more than this person is a cat.

 

[Willamena]

I suspect that arriving at a definition of "trans" might be non-trivial.

Here's a definitions I found (with minor variations) a few different places:



So now I think we have to understand "gender identity", right? Here's what I found:

I think we have to understand "assigned at birth," and what implications that has for the person writing the definition.

So here's a whack at a definition. This is a "strawman proposal", i.e., a proposal that's probably not correct, but is meant as a starting point to get to a consensus:

"A transgender person feels as though they're the wrong biological sex."

Can we improve on that?..

What makes you think that that's a strawman? I mean even by your definition of "strawman?"

 

[Estro Felino]

IMO...
-a person born a male will not be a female any more than this person is a cat.
-a person born a female will not be a male any more than this person is a cat.

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If this person feels like a cat, good for her.
I just hope she did that for her own well-being and not just to draw people's attention.

 

[We Never Know]

If this person feels like a cat, good for her.
I just hope she did that for her own well-being and not just to draw people's attention.

Its a him.... but....

Was a him. He has passed this life.

 

[Kfox]

Which is impossible, I mean.
A man who transition into a woman (hormones, vaginoplasty) will never be a biological woman because that's not what transsexualism is. Transsexualism is not about imitation. It's not about fitting in.
It's about self-acceptance, and individualistic psychological and physical well-being.
It's something you do for yourself. Not for others.

What difference does it make whether you are male or female? How does one's life improve by adopting a gender that is different from your biology?

 

[We Never Know]

What difference does it make whether you are male or female? How does one's life improve by adopting a gender that is different from your biology?

"How does one's life improve by adopting a gender that is different from your biology?"

You would have to ask those that have adopted such as to their life improvements.
IMO they are the only ones that can answer that question.

 

[Estro Felino]

What difference does it make whether you are male or female? How does one's life improve by adopting a gender that is different from your biology?

It improves because the men who have a female soul, can finally have an endocrine system similar to that of a biological woman. So they take hormones, they have surgery, the voice becomes feminine, the face becomes feminine.
Same as a woman who feels her endocrine system is that of a man.

1:10 I do want to undergo the surgical intervention because the greatest suffering of mine is my genitalia.

 

[We Never Know]

It improves because the men who have a female soul, can finally have an endocrine system similar to that of a biological woman. So they take hormones, they have surgery, the voice becomes feminine, the face becomes feminine.
Same as a woman who feels her endocrine system is that of a man.

1:10 I do want to undergo the surgical intervention because the greatest suffering of mine is my genitalia.

As the old saying goes .. "You can polish a turd to look like a gem but underneath its still a turd"

Its just an old saying. Hopefully none will take it offensive.