Transvestites - purpose?

[9-10ths_Penguin]

it is just likely that many would be customers would choose to spend their money elsewhere - .

take a school for instance - I am sure a lot of parents would prefer to not have a ladyboy teach their child so would likely go to another business for tuition.

If I found out that the owner or manager of a business had a policy of refusing employment to transgendered people, I would choose to spend my money elsewhere. Where do people like me factor into your reasoning?

 

[Orias]

What is the reason for ANYONE'S dressing style?

Good point.

My shirts usually emphasize black and muscle.

Heh, though I am white and skinny

 

[Kerr]

And many won't care... if you had a customer who refused to be served by someone of a particular race or religion would you fire them to make those customers happy?

wa:do

Exactly. We should not let the intolerant set our standards.

 

[Kerr]

it is just likely that many would be customers would choose to spend their money elsewhere - .

take a school for instance - I am sure a lot of parents would prefer to not have a ladyboy teach their child so would likely go to another business for tuition.

I would like you to clarify something. Are you trying to say that this is how it is? Or that this is how it is and how it should be?

 

[nnmartin]

And many won't care... if you had a customer who refused to be served by someone of a particular race or religion would you fire them to make those customers happy?

wa:do

well, as it happens - where I live they do just that!

the country where I am living tends to have this unofficial system: The wage structure operates on skin colour (as a general rule: the darker the skin, the less the pay, for the same work!)

 

[nnmartin]

I would like you to clarify something. Are you trying to say that this is how it is? Or that this is how it is and how it should be?

I am generally saying that this is how it is.

Not how it should be.

So I am not attacking ladyboys here at all - my post above should show how I feel in regard to certain forms of bigotry not being addressed.

however, the ladyboy is in a slightly different situation in the workplace because at least he has the option of changing his clothes for work.

Another fact of trivia from where I live is that some travel agents will not offer their services to Africans, women get paid less, and many workers are physically not allowed to leave their workplace. (however, I don't want to go into rant mode about the terrible systems in place in certain developing contries)

 

[Me Myself]

well, as it happens - where I live they do just that!

the country where I am living tends to have this unofficial system: The wage structure operates on skin colour (as a general rule: the darker the skin, the less the pay, for the same work!)

And do you believe this is okay?

 

[nnmartin]

of course not!

it's terribly unjust.

but it does highlight in a way how much fuss we make over trivial matters in the developed World.

it seems as if it is just human nature to pick holes in things.

like I said, at least a transvestite has the option to change clothes before going to a job interview, perhaps this is what they should do rather than harp on about supposed inequality in the workplace.

many people in the World have it far far worse.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

however, the ladyboy is in a slightly different situation in the workplace because at least he has the option of changing his clothes for work.

They aren't a "he" though. They very often live as women, dress as women, present as women, act as women, take female hormones, identify as women, and sometimes have surgery to appear more externally like women. Especially in Taiwan, if you sent one of these people to work dressed as a man they would look like a woman in men's clothing. And not to mention if you sent them to work dressed as men, there is the issue of them often having breasts, either produced from hormones or through surgical implants.

Another fact of trivia from where I live is that some travel agents will not offer their services to Africans, women get paid less, and many workers are physically not allowed to leave their workplace. (however, I don't want to go into rant mode about the terrible systems in place in certain developing contries)

What country do you live in?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

many people in the World have it far far worse.

That is very true (usually). But that is still no reason to go to work as someone we aren't, and no reason to give up on fighting for equal treatment, because even in Taiwan and Japan, two of the most tolerant places of transgendered people, there is still discrimination, though not as much nor as extreme in many other places around the world.

 

[Me Myself]

Well, I don´t have problems with travestites being forced to dress as their biological gender in the work place, given that it is not ilegal to have clothing regulations.

 

[nnmartin]

Especially in Taiwan, if you sent one of these people to work dressed as a man they would look like a woman in men's clothing.
What country do you live in?

yes, well , if the man looks like a woman then there would really be no chance of the employer or bigoted customer finding out so I can't see that being an issue. It would be the same as having hidden tattoos or jewellery that could be covered up.

the issue would arise with the 'tick gender box' if that existed where you live.

but how can you legislate against bigoted customers in a capitalist society where supposedly 'the customer is always right' . It seems as if you have a right to be bigoted if you have the money - it is the sign of the times in this self-serving world of greed and belief in entitlement.

I live in Cambodia.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

the issue would arise with the 'tick gender box' if that existed where you live.

In some places that may be an issue, but in many places legal identification will state the person is the gender they are presenting as. I don't know how Cambodia does it, but here there have maybe been only a few applications with some spot to indicate sex that I have ever seen.

but how can you legislate against bigoted customers in a capitalist society where supposedly 'the customer is always right' . It seems as if you have a right to be bigoted if you have the money - it is the sign of the times in this self-serving world of greed and belief in entitlement.

Where I live we can tell the customer to leave, and store management often has the authority to ban a disruptive customer from the premises. And sometimes another customer will stand up for the worker and will put the rude customer in his/her place.

 

[nnmartin]

well, that sounds good and is the way things should be really.

Unfortuanately, in the poorer countres where I have lived this does not seem to be the case.

It is even going this way in the West though as I have seen over the years.

They like to call it 'Customer service' - merely a euphemism for servant and master.

 

[Kerr]

I am generally saying that this is how it is.

Not how it should be.

So I am not attacking ladyboys here at all - my post above should show how I feel in regard to certain forms of bigotry not being addressed.

however, the ladyboy is in a slightly different situation in the workplace because at least he has the option of changing his clothes for work.

Another fact of trivia from where I live is that some travel agents will not offer their services to Africans, women get paid less, and many workers are physically not allowed to leave their workplace. (however, I don't want to go into rant mode about the terrible systems in place in certain developing contries)

So you are just observing? Then I am honestly confused of what we are actually debating, lol. Of course, anyone who is different can have these issues. I just dont think that is something we should accept.