Not looking for a path, just evidence or a rational apology.
And that's what I'm looking for: "the given evidence with logic and reason." What is this evidence?
Great! So what was this information?
Could you diagram a syllogism for me?
OK, already! What was this "information presented?"
Nature and nurture have nothing to do with ontology. I'm asking for actual objective evidence; evidence that presumably existed even before the Earth was formed.
Your religiosity seems more based on a need or desire than a logical deduction or evidence-based induction. It sounds like a subjective inference, at best.
This is why I remain a non-believer. Noöne seems able to make a good case for a god. Arguments are either subjective, unevidenced, or illogical.
Faith has absolutely nothing to do with one's own needs or desires, faith is built on exactly the opposite, faith is built on relinquishing ones own needs and desires, it is built on humility.
Faith can only be built upon the greatest evidence that there is of God, which is "The Self of God", this is the given Manifestation of the Spirit, a Spirit that is of God, annointed to the flesh. One of the greatest physical proofs of the Messengers is their own self, they hold in their hands the power of creation, yet submit to impart God's will to us. Baha'u'llah, as the instrument of knowledge given to us by God, offered this for us to consider;
".....For witness, how patient I am in bearing the burden which the husbandman layeth upon me. I am the instrument that continually imparteth unto all beings the blessings with which He Who is the Source of all grace hath entrusted me. Notwithstanding the honor conferred upon me, and the unnumbered evidences of my wealth—a wealth that supplieth the needs of all creation—behold the measure of my humility, witness with what absolute submissiveness I allow myself to be trodden beneath the feet of men.…”
Note Baha'u'llah said "The unnumbered evidences.....that supplies the needs of all creation"
This wealth is the given Message that sets the standard for the age in which it is given. The evidence becomes self explanatory as the years unfold, every illness that is faced by humanity, already has the prescribed solution given.
What captivated me as I started to pursue what was recorded, is the pure logic of the Oneness of humanity, that we all come from the same source and that there is no division in what it is to be Human and this is the perfect foundation for peace.
We can only find God in the proof that God has provided to us and first and foremost that proof is the person of God's "Annointed" Messenger, it is the life they lived and the it is the "Word" that has set the standard for the age they lived and given dispensation, the Message also contains timeless guidelines and guidance that transcend dispensations.
It is when humanity strays for the timeless guidelines and guidance that God gifts us another "Annointed One", another Christ.
This is why Jesus offers advice such as this.
John 12:44 "And Jesus cried out and said, “Whoever believes in me, believes not in me but in him who sent me."
One can only beleive in God, by accepting the person God sent to us. They are the starting point of faith.
I can give no greater "actual
objective evidence" than the Messengers and the "Word".
We can test the given solutions to the ills humanity now faces, objectively, in the light of what is already recorded in the "Word" given by the Messengers.
As to the Person of the Messengers, we have historical records and stories.
Regards Tony