If the Lord Jesus Christ is the true God in this verse, it wouldn’t refer to Him as “the image of the invisible God". Indeed, man is made according to His image (Genesis 1:27). Additionally, if your interpretation is accurate, does it mean that the true God was created, since the verse states that He is “the firstborn over all creation”? There is only one true God, the Father (as stated in John 17:1-3; Malachi 2:10).
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True and False Prophets - Just and Honest Determination
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CG Didymus
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Why was that your "understanding"?
Then you asked for my thoughts?
And this is how you feel? That your wasting your time? That I'm in a "food-fight" of negativity with you? What is a "meaningful" conversation to you? To only look at what I like about the Baha'i Faith and not mention the things that I don't believe are true?
Yes, not many Baha'i stay around the debate section... And that's too bad. But why post here if you don't want to hear what other people have to say, whether positive or negative? Even when Baha'is "consult" with each other, isn't the "clash" of differing opinions allowed?
The shining spark of truth cometh forth only after the clash of differing opinions.
‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Selections from the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, p. 87
CG Didymus
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It's my responsibility to find out what Baha'is believe? Is that what you tell people at firesides?
A lot of people here are throwing Baha'i beliefs right back at you and asking why do you believe this? We have tried to find out what is the "official" Baha'i stance on things. But like with what happened with homosexuality... When people quoted the Baha'i teachings, Baha'is had to do some quick thinking to try and not look like homophobics.
CG Didymus
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The most creative thing was for Mírzá Husayn 'Alí to change his name to the "Glory of God." Sure made it easy to fit into a lot of Bible verses.
Good quote. It has context as to how to use that advice in a positive way. It was given for consultation at Bahai LSA Meetings.
The key is being able to let go of those opinions, but when discussing the Message of Baha’u’llah, it is not an opinion one has to let go of, it is an opinion that is to be shared and it is either excepted, or it is not.
Regards Tony
CG Didymus
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Which is important. The Jew's had hundreds of laws. Baha'is claim that the new manifestation does away with the old laws and brings new laws. Which are what? I think that a Baha'is mentioned a couple of things... Like a new divorce law and the law of "Love".
I'm sure there's laws in Hinduism and Buddhism, but did Krishna or Buddha bring them? But, definitely, there's a lot of laws in Islam and the Baha'i Faith and even laws brought by the Bab. But they never applied them.
Fulfilled prophecy by doing so.
Isaiah 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name
The mouth of the Lord is the Messenger. The story as to how Baha'u'llah was given that name is in tune with that prophecy.
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Revelation 2:17: "To the one who conquers I will give a white stone, with a new name written on the stone that no one knows except the one who receives it".
Revelation 3:12: "I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name.
My own new name! No less was given.
Regards Tony
CG Didymus
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But what can you do when they interpret things in the Bible to make them prophecies about Baha'u'llah?
Bill Sears book, "Thief in the Night", is filled with them.
The Kitáb-i-Aqdas | Bahá’í Reference Library
Bahá’u’lláh’s book of laws, written in Arabic around 1873 while He was still imprisoned within the city of ‘Akká. It was supplemented by later Writings and by Bahá’u’lláh’s replies to a series of questions posed by one of His secretaries. The first authorized English translation was published in...
The Book of laws.
Regards Tony
Yes indeed, what can you do when the Bible is full of Prophecy about the Bab and Baha'u'llah?
Who else can show they can fulfil so much Prophecy, amongst all the claims from the 1800's onwards!
I do not reply to such negations, as when they are made, it is more tha obvious they have no idea as to what they are talking about.
Regards Tony
CG Didymus
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Do you believe that Jesus is God and that Satan is real and that sin entered the world because of Adam disobeying God? If not, then what would you call a religion that teaches those sorts of things?
It's a different religion. They have different beliefs than Baha'is. But... Baha'is need their "progression". So, they find ways to get around all the differences.
Personally I have to do nothing CG, as what other people perceive about a God given law is up to them.
The old Bible passage about removing a plank frpm one's own eye first, before removing splinters from another eye, fits well with such assumptions about other people being homophobics, just because they have embraced a law that says no relationships before marriage and marriage is only lawful between a male and a female, the necessary combination for offspring to be produced as God so intended.
Regards Tony
Reminds me of quote from the Book of Laws
"...This is the changeless Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future. Let him that seeketh, attain it; and as to him that hath refused to seek it ..." Baha'u'llah
Regards Tony
Trailblazer
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Did you see what Tony had posted?
Interaction with The People of Bahá: A response to Ahmadi Answers
This is the third response in the series of responses to a video by Ahmadi Answers attacking the Bahá’í Faith. To read the first piece, click here. To read the second piece, click here. To re…
bahaipen.wordpress.com
I would consider lying an evil fruit, worse than bad.
Ahmad claimed to be the return of Christ, but if Baha'u'llah was the return of Christ that means that Ahmad was either deluded or a liar.
I am leaning towards liar. Ahmad was also very arrogant.
CG Didymus
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Double check them to make sure they make sense and fit the context. Anybody can pluck a Bible verse out of context and make it into a prophecy.
I know that's being so negative, so thanks for putting up with me and my questions.
Many sources offer the same, AI as well, they also link to this.
Is Mormonism Christian?
Regards Tony
Trailblazer
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Baha'is do not have to interpret things in the Bible to make them prophecies about Baha'u'llah because they are prophecies about Baha'u'llah.
Trailblazer
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It's true, the Christians have to use some creative interpretations of the Bible that just cannot be logically true.
Trailblazer
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What are those? The teachings that he stole from Baha'u'llah?
Trailblazer
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Good fruits are not good if taught by a liar.
“Truthfulness is the foundation of all human virtues. Without truthfulness progress and success, in all the worlds of God, are impossible for any soul. When this holy attribute is established in man, all the divine qualities will also be acquired.”
– Abdu’l-Baha, quoted by Shoghi Effendi in The Advent of Divine Justice, p. 22.
”Consider that the worst of qualities and most odious of attributes, which is the foundation of all evil, is lying. No worse or more blameworthy quality than this can be imagined to exist; it is the destroyer of all human perfections, and the cause of innumerable vices. There is no worse characteristic than this; it is the foundation of all evils.”
Bahá’í World Faith, p. 321