Trump AWOL

[Revoltingest]

I blame the process, actually.

The process will always disappoint half the people.

 

[suncowiam]

Of course, my many Democrat & Republican friends know that such
generalities are just that....general....not applicable to each & every.
But still, the tendencies to see one's group as inherently better than
the other are still there.
BTW, long ago I actually believed we libertarians were better.
I was fortunate that the broader perspective of age & experience
cured that problem. Now it's all just personal preference.

That's conflicting...

It's inherent for beliefs to be favorable or to be of higher moral ground. Morality is subjective. So you as a libertarian is inherently and subjectively stating that your beliefs of libertarianism is better than the rest.

You might not physically tell others that your beliefs are better but you definitely believe your beliefs are better.

Actions are formed from thought and beliefs. The ultimate action from these discussions is to vote which ultimately places power of the beliefs over ourselves and others. So yes, you should be saying to others that you believe your ideology is in the right if you vote to try and force your beliefs onto others.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's conflicting...

It's inherent for beliefs to be favorable or to be of higher moral ground. Morality is subjective. So you as a libertarian is inherently and subjectively stating that your beliefs of libertarianism is better than the rest.

You might not physically tell others that your beliefs are better but you definitely believe your beliefs are better.

Perhaps when you're older, you'll realize that
one can hold beliefs & values without believing
they're better than other people's.
Of course, one may still vigorously oppose things.
And one may still feel better than Hitler.

 

[Martin]

He'll have to return to his home planet eventually.

 

[Audie]

Perhaps when you're older, you'll realize that
one can hold beliefs & values without believing
they're better than other people's.
Of course, one may still vigorously oppose things.
And one may still feel better than Hitler.

At what age should people quit using adjectives for nouns

 

[Stevicus]

The process will always disappoint half the people.

I would say it's more than half, considering the generally widespread sense of disappointment people have with their government. It's a common trope in society to criticize government, lampoon politicians, and generally take an antagonistic view towards how we are governed. It's more than just a conspiracy theory or blaming some unknown boogieman.

 

[Revoltingest]

At what age should people quit using adjectives for nouns

30ish.

 

[Revoltingest]

I would say it's more than half...

That's approximate, ie, half +/- a third.

 

[suncowiam]

Perhaps when you're older, you'll realize that
one can hold beliefs & values without believing
they're better than other people's.
Of course, one may still vigorously oppose things.
And one may still feel better than Hitler.

Not sure why you need to bring generalizations concerning age and Hitler into this discussion.

I hope when you vote, you are sure that what you are voting for is the right thing for all of us. If not for all of us, at least its the right thing for you and your loved ones. The consequences of your vote is far reaching to me, a person who lives in California.

We tend to double back on discussions about taking responsibility for our actions. Like voting for Trump and then suggesting to everyone that we did not support Trump. However, the action in itself ultimately gave Trump the power and authority to be the most powerful person in the world.

I would suggest that we need to analyze the consequences of our actions more and take full responsibility for it. Actions ultimately spawn from our beliefs and ideologies.

 

[Revoltingest]

Not sure why you need to bring generalizations concerning age and Hitler into this discussion.

Mirthfully illustrating a point.

I hope when you vote, you are sure that what you are voting for is the right thing for all of us.

I vote for what's best overall, not just for this country.
How about your vote?
Just for you & yours...or for the greater good?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Some people don't learn. He got ill, and did it give him a conscience? Hardly.

That is why I am glad the man will not be president much longer.

He thinks, that as he has had Covid once, that he can nor contact it and pass it on to others again.
It is true that he should now have antibodies to fight reinfection.
But when he contracts it from someone again and his immune system duly fights it off, he can still infect other people.
That is why track and trace requires people, whether they have had it or not, to isolate when they come into contact with it again.

Trump seems to think that his mere presence will kill it on sight.
we had kings who thought that way.

 

[suncowiam]

Mirthfully illustrating a point.

I vote for what's best overall, not just for this country.
How about your vote?
Just for you & yours...or for the greater good?

That's the point of discussion. You voted so you are stating that your beliefs are best. The chain of beliefs to actions prove this.

Taxes hurt my business and I'm in a high tax bracket, so I did not vote for myself or my family per se.

I don't get much of the benefits of a left-leaning government. So, I voted for the overall good of our country.

I'm just waiting for a conservative to actually start believing in science over religion.

 

[Revoltingest]

You voted so you are stating that your beliefs are best.

Not best...just my preference, ie, how I'd like to see the world proceed.
Moral relativism at work here.
You don't like that, do you?

 

[Audie]

He thinks, that as he has had Covid once, that he can nor contact it and pass it on to others again.
It is true that he should now have antibodies to fight reinfection.
But when he contracts it from someone again and his immune system duly fights it off, he can still infect other people.
That is why track and trace requires people, whether they have had it or not, to isolate when they come into contact with it again.

Trump seems to think that his mere presence will kill it on sight.
we had kings who thought that way.

You was doing ok till that last line

 

[suncowiam]

Not best...just my preference, ie, how I'd like to see the world proceed.
Moral relativism at work here.
You don't like that, do you?

This isn't an arbitrary decision.

Let me double back to my original point.

Your opinions are inherently suggesting a value to yourself. If you only kept your opinions to yourself, then sure, it's all relative to the next person.

However, once you act on your opinions, your beliefs, and your ideologies, especially if the consequences affect people around you, then I strongly suggest to you that you should be declaring yourself in the right. You are not justifying to yourself now, you are justifying to others based on your actions.

 

[Revoltingest]

This isn't an arbitrary decision.

Not a decision.
A realization.....one which is also neither right nor wrong.

 

[suncowiam]

Not a decision.
A realization.....one which is also neither right nor wrong.

Let me ask you then and please don't take it personally.

You are making decisions through actions for yourself and your family based on arbitrary beliefs? There is no value system of right or wrong through these actions?

So you vote for candidates and for policies disregarding if they are right or wrong at least for you?

Then, isn't this comparable to having no beliefs and randomly picking candidates and policies?

 

[Revoltingest]

Let me ask you then and please don't take it personally.

Are you planning to make it personal?

You are making decisions through the completed actions for yourself and your family based on arbitrary beliefs? There is no value system of right or wrong through actions?

You keep saying "arbitrary".
I don't see this as applicable.
What do you mean?

There is no absolutely true right & wrong.
We have the values we have because of genetics & environment.

So you vote for candidates and for policies disregarding if they are right or wrong at least for you?

"Disregard" is extreme when describing competing factors which are
all weighed against/with each other, yet all being considered of value.

Then, isn't this comparable to having no beliefs and randomly picking candidates and policies?

I have my values, beliefs, non-beliefs, & my perception of reality.
I vote based upon these.


You have a duplicate post there, 197 & 198.

 

[Zaha Torte]

The president, in the midst of a huge rise in covid cases, has been playing golf. He has consistently ignored and underplayed this disease since the beginning.

Instead of attending to the people's business, keeping them safe, he has been focused on a losing attempt to steal the election. Every lawsuit he has made has been thrown out due to lack of evidence.

Instead of providing the security briefings that are given *even in disputed elections*, he has further endangered the country by refusing to even beginning a transition.

At what point do we see his actions and lack of actions as fundamentally treasonous?

The spike in number of cases is due to more testing. COVID has a 1% mortality rate. Trump was on the case when he needed to be. When we didn't know what we were dealing with. Now his operation "Warp Speed" has created at least two vaccines in record breaking time. There isn't much more he can do to help lower cases of COVID - besides preventing the Biden steal of the election. The media is lying about these lawsuits. Trump is still fighting and there is overwhelming evidence of fraud in several States. These battleground States have yet to certify their elections so there is no "President-Elect Biden". There is no reason to transition if Biden didn't win. I believe Trump has many means of victory in this election.

 

[ecco]

I'm just waiting for a conservative to actually start believing in science over religion.

You will have a long wait.