Trump Base Shows Signs of Cracking

[ThePainefulTruth]

How's Pluto this time of year?

The Left never sees the need to stop their accelerated use of sarcastic, ad hominem/name calling....because the media has continually shored up their lack of ability to think things through with intimidating bluster--and the dumb vs. dumber mentality is finally beginning to fail.
Sorry, I resisted as long as I could, so go ahead and chalk up an ad hominem to me. Ya got me pardner!

 

[leibowde84]

The Left never sees the need to stop their accelerated use of sarcastic, ad hominem/name calling....because the media has continually shored up their lack of ability to think things through with intimidating bluster--and the dumb vs. dumber mentality is finally beginning to fail.
Sorry, I resisted as long as I could, so go ahead and chalk up an ad hominem to me. Ya got me pardner!

Don't you constantly insult "the left"? And, I assume you also don't think it's OK when Trump uses ad hominem and name calling, right?

 

[Jeremiahcp]

The Left never sees the need to stop their accelerated use of sarcastic, ad hominem/name calling....because the media has continually shored up their lack of ability to think things through with intimidating bluster--and the dumb vs. dumber mentality is finally beginning to fail.
Sorry, I resisted as long as I could, so go ahead and chalk up an ad hominem to me. Ya got me pardner!

Your username is spelled wrong.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Don't you constantly insult "the left"? And, I assume you also don't think it's OK when Trump uses ad hominem and name calling, right?

Depends on what you mean by insult. I don't tell people the paineful truth to hurt their feelings, it's more like a wake up call or a challenge. But deep down they usually know I'm right so it probably does hurt their feelings and they usually come back with some equivalent of "what makes you think YOU'RE so smart". And if anyone ever really wanted to know, I'd tell 'em I'm not very smart at all, actually kinda slow in some ways, but I've learned a lot and I'm honest, especially with myself.
And yeah, Trump makes me wince at times, but he's so head and shoulders above any of the Dem-Rep establishment, and given the barrage of crap fired at him every hour, throughout the hour, it's easy enough to overlook it. And he's shown Herculean restraint, given the half-dozen big names that ought to be in jail right now--top of the list being Hillary; and Podesta is probably sweating bullets about that contract killing of the guy who spilled the beans about the Democrat primary fixing scandal. Seems LBJ is the patron saint of the Clintons.

Your username is spelled wrong.

No it isn't, but Tom thanks you for noticing.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Depends on what you mean by insult. I don't tell people the paineful truth to hurt their feelings, it's more like a wake up call or a challenge. But deep down they usually know I'm right so it probably does hurt their feelings and they usually come back with some equivalent of "what makes you think YOU'RE so smart". And if anyone ever really wanted to know, I'd tell 'em I'm not very smart at all, actually kinda slow in some ways, but I've learned a lot and I'm honest, especially with myself.
And yeah, Trump makes me wince at times, but he's so head and shoulders above any of the Dem-Rep establishment, and given the barrage of crap fired at him every hour, throughout the hour, it's easy enough to overlook it. And he's shown Herculean restraint, given the half-dozen big names that ought to be in jail right now--top of the list being Hillary; and Podesta is probably sweating bullets about that contract killing of the guy who spilled the beans about the Democrat primary fixing scandal. Seems LBJ is the patron saint of the Clintons.



No it isn't, but Tom thanks you for noticing.

"No it isn't, but Tom thanks you for noticing"

I considered that possibility, but it still looks like you just spelled painful wrong.

 

[leibowde84]

Depends on what you mean by insult. I don't tell people the paineful truth to hurt their feelings, it's more like a wake up call or a challenge. But deep down they usually know I'm right so it probably does hurt their feelings and they usually come back with some equivalent of "what makes you think YOU'RE so smart". And if anyone ever really wanted to know, I'd tell 'em I'm not very smart at all, actually kinda slow in some ways, but I've learned a lot and I'm honest, especially with myself.

If you make fun or criticize someone personally, then you are insulting them. When you use terms that make fun of everyone who has a more liberal point of view than you, you are insulting all of them. When someone does that it usually does make them look stupid, as it is dumb to even suggest that an entire population feels the same way about anything really. It comes across like the person using the insult is a know nothing know it all, so I would definitely try to remember what you said about yourself in this comment ... cuz, it ain't the truth by any stretch of the imagination.

And yeah, Trump makes me wince at times, but he's so head and shoulders above any of the Dem-Rep establishment, and given the barrage of crap fired at him every hour, throughout the hour, it's easy enough to overlook it. And he's shown Herculean restraint, given the half-dozen big names that ought to be in jail right now--top of the list being Hillary; and Podesta is probably sweating bullets about that contract killing of the guy who spilled the beans about the Democrat primary fixing scandal. Seems LBJ is the patron saint of the Clintons.

Trump shows "Herculean restraint"?! That is definitely the first time I've heard that ludicrous description of the boy-king. He is certainly the most immature politician we've seen. And, he continually makes his controversies worse and worse every time he opens his mouth, and even those who work for him know that. They are constantly trying to get his iPad from him and get him off Twitter when something breaks. But, he just doesn't have it in him to keep his big mouth shut. He could have avoided so many of these recent issues by just staying silent and focusing on his agenda, but, instead, he constantly lashes out, or complains, or whines about mistreatment. And, the sad part is, he insults people personally all the time, he calls people names, he bullies, he constantly lies (and seemingly doesn't even care about it), he never apologizes, and he thinks of the world as "winners and losers" (which is just so embarrassing in a president).

Long story short ... herculean restraint is the most hilarious and ludicrous description I've ever heard of the "man". He is out of his element, and it appears that his extremely thin skin and fragile ego are enabling the press to really get to him. Part of me feels sorry for him ... but then I remember how childish his behavior is and it makes me feel like the press are finally just giving this horrible guy a little justice.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

You are welcome to your opinion. But, I don't feel that way at all. So, we will have to agree to disagree.

Ok. I could take that at face value, but then..

Politically, I do disagree with just about everything he says, but that I can accept... How he took advantage of contractors, showed racial prejudice and lied to get property that he wanted along with his behavior and statements during the campaign and his presidency are not acceptable. Again, if you would like examples, I am happy to provide them. But, that is only if you are interested in why I don't respect the guy.

You go and say things like that. "Politically..but that I can accept..<insert social/personal gripes>"

I think we're done here.

 

[leibowde84]

Ok. I could take that at face value, but then..


You go and say things like that. "Politically..but that I can accept..<insert social/personal gripes>"

I think we're done here.

My point is that my dislike for Trump has nothing at all to do with his political positions. And, it certainly has nothing to do with me being upset about him winning the election. It is his complete lack of character, honesty and civility.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

My point is that my dislike for Trump has nothing at all to do with his political positions. And, it certainly has nothing to do with me being upset about him winning the election. It is his complete lack of character, honesty and civility.

Which is what I said initially.

So how is the weather wherever it is you are from? Hot here today...

 

[Stevicus]

So how is the weather wherever it is you are from? Hot here today...

It's going to be 100° today. I'll have to put on my warm jacket and long johns.

 

[leibowde84]

Which is what I said initially.

So how is the weather wherever it is you are from? Hot here today...

Fair enough. Cloudy but pleasant.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

It seems that Hillary supporters are still so anguished & weepy eyed over her loss,
that in a fevered rush to criticize, they fail to realize that Trump voters never expected
him to find any smoother sailing than he did during the campaign. Moreover, her fans are
oblivious to her faults, & consequently believe that her presidency would've been Camelot.
It's a faith based longing for an alternative reality.

Looking down from up over the border, I'm not sure I see it in quite such black-white tones. Everybody knows Hillary has faults -- hell everybody knows everybody has faults (with the possible exception of themselves, of course). A great many people thought that "the Donald" has very many more faults than Hillary -- and I for one remain convinced of this (actually, watching his performance, I'm much more convinced than I was before).

I frankly think that there is a very great danger in populist movements -- they often take on properties quite similar to lynch mobs, people who will together do things that few or none would do on their own.

And, for the record, it is possible to be some of everything -- neither all "liberal" or all "conservative" (or all socialist or libertarian, for that matter). I personally have social liberal trends (within limits), and I am a fiscal conservative, also within limits. I believe in "rights" because we ourselves can grant them -- that's what communities do. I believe in capitalism, but not entirely unfettered capitalism (so once again, within limits). I mean, making money at the obvious cost of human life really ought to be considered at least slightly off-limits these days -- so getting a hefty fee for a fresh human heart to extend the life of a billionaire, while it might fit within the capitalist model, really ought to be considered at least a slight no-no.

Making communities and societies that not only work but work for the individuals that make up those communities and societies seems to me to be a reasonable, possible goal. It might start, for example, with a little tolerance (once again, within limits!) And to be honest, that's something that I don't see a lot of here, especially from some of the more rabid right crows.

 

[Revoltingest]

Looking down from up over the border, I'm not sure I see it in quite such black-white tones.

I'll let you in on a secret.
Neither do I.
That post was humorous....with an element of truth.

Everybody knows Hillary has faults -- hell everybody knows everybody has faults (with the possible exception of themselves, of course). A great many people thought that "the Donald" has very many more faults than Hillary -- and I for one remain convinced of this (actually, watching his performance, I'm much more convinced than I was before).

I frankly think that there is a very great danger in populist movements -- they often take on properties quite similar to lynch mobs, people who will together do things that few or none would do on their own.

And, for the record, it is possible to be some of everything -- neither all "liberal" or all "conservative" (or all socialist or libertarian, for that matter). I personally have social liberal trends (within limits), and I am a fiscal conservative, also within limits. I believe in "rights" because we ourselves can grant them -- that's what communities do. I believe in capitalism, but not entirely unfettered capitalism (so once again, within limits). I mean, making money at the obvious cost of human life really ought to be considered at least slightly off-limits these days -- so getting a hefty fee for a fresh human heart to extend the life of a billionaire, while it might fit within the capitalist model, really ought to be considered at least a slight no-no.

Making communities and societies that not only work but work for the individuals that make up those communities and societies seems to me to be a reasonable, possible goal. It might start, for example, with a little tolerance (once again, within limits!) And to be honest, that's something that I don't see a lot of here, especially from some of the more rabid right crows.

I agree we're in great danger.
I believed that before the election.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

If you make fun or criticize someone personally, then you are insulting them.

Really? So your criticism of me can only be understood as an insult? But it's only an insult if I take offense to it, but I don't give my permission for you to offend me. Legitimately, I can either admit that you're right, or I can say you're wrong, because..... But according to you, I can't do that without insulting you. And apparently, liberals are the only ones who have a right not to be offended. Why? Because they can't defend themselves with anything but emotion. And if you're offended by that, prove me wrong instead of just doubling down on the emotions.

Trump shows "Herculean restraint"?! That is definitely the first time I've heard that ludicrous description of the boy-king. He is certainly the most immature politician we've seen. And, he continually makes his controversies worse and worse every time he opens his mouth, and even those who work for him know that. They are constantly trying to get his iPad from him and get him off Twitter when something breaks. But, he just doesn't have it in him to keep his big mouth shut. He could have avoided so many of these recent issues by just staying silent and focusing on his agenda, but, instead, he constantly lashes out, or complains, or whines about mistreatment. And, the sad part is, he insults people personally all the time, he calls people names, he bullies, he constantly lies (and seemingly doesn't even care about it), he never apologizes, and he thinks of the world as "winners and losers" (which is just so embarrassing in a president).

There you go, no substance there at all, just name calling and unsubstantiated (read made-up) accusations. Just as there's no substance to the completely vacuous accusations of Russian collusion to rig the election, while the Dems and media ignore the proven rigging of the Democratic primaries. It's hypocritical in the extreme, yet I and Trump are the ones whining. Herculean restraint indeed.

 

[leibowde84]

Really? So your criticism of me can only be understood as an insult? But it's only an insult if I take offense to it, but I don't give my permission for you to offend me. Legitimately, I can either admit that you're right, or I can say you're wrong, because..... But according to you, I can't do that without insulting you. And apparently, liberals are the only ones who have a right not to be offended. Why? Because they can't defend themselves with anything but emotion. And if you're offended by that, prove me wrong instead of just doubling down on the emotions.

I meant that if make fun of someone or criticize someone personally rather than attacking their views or misunderstanding, that is insulting them. How have I criticized you personally rather than attacking your views, beliefs or misunderstandings? If I have, please provide me with some examples.

There you go, no substance there at all, just name calling and unsubstantiated (read made-up) accusations. Just as there's no substance to the completely vacuous accusations of Russian collusion to rig the election, while the Dems and media ignore the proven rigging of the Democratic primaries. It's hypocritical in the extreme, yet I and Trump are the ones whining. Herculean restraint indeed.

None of what I said was unsubstantiated. If you would like me to provide evidence to back up my specific complaints, I would be happy to. What statements do you disagree with specifically? Just give me one or two at a time and I will be happy to provide evidence.

All you have done here is make blanket statements without pointing to anything specific. Be specific with your criticism of my comment, and I'd be happy to debate it with you civilly.

 

[Revoltingest]

Here's something which might interest anyone concerned with approval ratings.....
Gallup Daily: Trump Job Approval

And here's a comparison of recent presidents.....
Presidential Job Approval Center
Trump looks rather comparable to Nixon, Carter, Truman & Dubya.

 

[Revoltingest]

Here's something which might interest anyone concerned with approval ratings.....
Gallup Daily: Trump Job Approval

And here's a comparison of recent presidents.....
Presidential Job Approval Center
Trump looks rather comparable to Nixon, Carter, Truman & Dubya.

 

[fantome profane]

And here's a comparison of recent presidents.....
Presidential Job Approval Center
Trump looks rather comparable to Nixon, Carter, Truman & Dubya.

According to your chart, Nixon was around 65% after about 120 days into his Presidency. Carter was at 64 at the same point, Truman was at 82% and Bush W was at 56%. And Trump is at 38%. I guess that is what you meant by comparable?

 

[Revoltingest]

According to your chart, Nixon was around 65% after about 120 days into his Presidency. Carter was at 64 at the same point, Truman was at 82% and Bush W was at 56%. And Trump is at 38%. I guess that is what you meant by comparable?

If one looks only at the high points, one would miss something.
They're comparable in a different way, ie, they experienced far below 50% ratings.
Trump got an early start plumbing the depths.
To see anything really significant, we'll need more history for Trump.

 

[fantome profane]

If one looks only at the high points, one would miss something.
They're comparable in a different way, ie, they experienced far below 50% ratings.
Trump got an early start plumbing the depths.
To see anything really significant, we'll need more history for Trump.

I'm not looking at their highpoint, I am looking at where they were at this point in their presidency. What you are doing is comparing low points, but that assumes that this is the low point for Trump. I think there is much more depth to be plumbed in the near future. Nixon didn't drop as low as Trump until about 1700 days into office. Before we get to that point I think Trump will be impeached, convicted, removed, divorced, and hiding out in a little apartment in Moscow.