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Trump Base Shows Signs of Cracking

leibowde84

Veteran Member
It seems that Hillary supporters are still so anguished & weepy eyed over her loss,
that in a fevered rush to criticize, they fail to realize that Trump voters never expected
him to find any smoother sailing than he did during the campaign. Moreover, her fans are
oblivious to her faults, & consequently believe that her presidency would've been Camelot.
It's a faith based longing for an alternative reality.
I don't think that's true. Pretty much everyone I have spoken to that voted for Hillary did so simply because they thought Trump wasn't competent. That he wouldn't be able to be professional/presidential enough. They didn't really think Hillary was great. I definitely didn't think Hillary was a great candidate. But, she wouldn't have been so terrible at avoiding controversy. I mean, look at Benghazi. She took those Republican senators to school during those hearings. Trump can't resist saying stupid things publicly and asking for more scrutiny.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I don't think that's true. Pretty much everyone I have spoken to that voted for Hillary did so simply because they thought Trump wasn't competent. That he wouldn't be able to be professional/presidential enough. They didn't really think Hillary was great. I definitely didn't think Hillary was a great candidate. But, she wouldn't have been so terrible at avoiding controversy. I mean, look at Benghazi. She took those Republican senators to school during those hearings. Trump can't resist saying stupid things publicly and asking for more scrutiny.
Still, many of her supporters imagine a false alternate reality where the grass is greener.
It's an illusion to believe as fact that her reality must be better.
And they don't view Trump's troubles in the proper context. They focus upon what matters to
most them, ie, his personal behavior, controversy, the media frenzy, & how it makes them feel.
In criticizing Trump voters who won't condemn him, they don't even try to understand our
different perspective, ie, that what government actually accomplishes matters most.
This explains all the misread & misunderstood posts trying to illuminate our views.
They don't want to understand.....just complain & play gotcha.

So it can be discussed with some Hillary fans, but not with many others.
 
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leibowde84

Veteran Member
Still, many of her supporters imagine a false alternate reality where the grass is greener.
It's an illusion to believe as fact that her reality must be better.
And they don't view Trump's troubles in the proper context. They focus upon what matters
to most them, ie, his personal behavior, the media frenzy about it, & how it makes them feel.
In criticizing Trump voters who won't condemn him, they don't even try to understand our
different perspective, ie, that what government actually accomplishes matters most.
This explains all the misread & misunderstood posts trying to illuminate our views.
They don't want to understand.....just complain & play gotcha.

So it can be discussed with some Hillary fans, but not with many others.
But his personal behavior does matter, whether you like to admit it or not. The President is the leader of the free world and has to be a role model to the American Youth (and arguably youth from around the globe). That is why all of his words are scrutinized, his behavior is documented and ridiculed (when appropriate), and he is held to a higher standard. That is true for every President.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
But his personal behavior does matter, whether you like to admit it or not.
I'll try again to explain.....
You presume that because his personal behavior matters more to you than other political
issues, then it should to me. But no. Consider that before the election, his behavior was
what it was, yet I still voted for him over Hilda. Now that he's in office, it hasn't changed.
So why should I now regret my decision?
You argue that Hillary would've been better, but only from your own perspective.
You don't address why I voted as I did.
The President is the leader of the free world and has to be a role model to the American Youth (and arguably youth from around the globe). That is why all of his words are scrutinized, his behavior is documented and ridiculed (when appropriate), and he is held to a higher standard. That is true for every President.
It would be nice if he held a higher standard of behavior.
But there are more important issues, & on those I give Trump an edge over Hilda.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
I'll try again to explain.....
You presume that because his personal behavior matters more to you than other political
issues, then it should to me. But no. Consider that before the election, his behavior was
what it was, yet I still voted for him over Hilda. Now that he's in office, it hasn't changed.
So why should I now regret my decision?
You argue that Hillary would've been better, but only from your own perspective.
You don't address why I voted as I did.

It would be nice if he held a higher standard of behavior.
But there are more important issues, & on those I give Trump an edge over Hilda.
That's fine. I think his behavior matters just as much as any other political issue. His behavior is very important in regards to geopolitical issues. I am not a nationalist, as I see nationalism as a failing idea throughout history. So, he represents us to the rest of the world. And, I am embarrassed by his behavior.

He also doesn't seem to be getting that much done beyond mere executive orders. As we saw with Obama's, they usually are quickly erased.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
That's fine. I think his behavior matters just as much as any other political issue. His behavior is very important in regards to geopolitical issues. I am not a nationalist, as I see nationalism as a failing idea throughout history. So, he represents us to the rest of the world. And, I am embarrassed by his behavior.

He also doesn't seem to be getting that much done beyond mere executive orders. As we saw with Obama's, they usually are quickly erased.
There's much about him you dislike.
Same for me.
But there should be more to evaluating candidate alternatives
than disliking one, & letting that be the end of analysis.
 

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
Still, many of her supporters imagine a false alternate reality where the grass is greener.
It's an illusion to believe as fact that her reality must be better.
And they don't view Trump's troubles in the proper context. They focus upon what matters to
most them, ie, his personal behavior, controversy, the media frenzy, & how it makes them feel.
In criticizing Trump voters who won't condemn him, they don't even try to understand our
different perspective, ie, that what government actually accomplishes matters most.
This explains all the misread & misunderstood posts trying to illuminate our views.
They don't want to understand.....just complain & play gotcha.

So it can be discussed with some Hillary fans, but not with many others.

I think you are making a lot of false assumptions about the people you view as "the Left", and I don't think you are trying to see their side of the story. What the government accomplishes is what I am most worried about.

"In criticizing Trump voters who won't condemn him, they don't even try to understand our
different perspective, ie, that what government actually accomplishes matters most.
This explains all the misread & misunderstood posts trying to illuminate our views.
They don't want to understand.....just complain & play gotcha."


If you cry any more people are going to start mistaking you for a liberal.
 

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
Well, if the Reps. abandon Trump and rally with the Dems against him, then at least Trump would be upholding his promise to unite the country.
 
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It hasn't cracked yet, but it seems like it might be headed in that direction. If Trump loses his base, impeachment becomes a real possibility.

Sometimes I wish Hillary had won just because 7 1/2 more years of Libby tears might cause a world wide flood.

Then I imagine the 3 1/2 more years of gloating and empty posturing we would have had in it's stead, and I think -

donald-trump-on-a-tank-photoshopped-graphic-explosions-american-flag.jpg
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Sometimes I wish Hillary had won just because 7 1/2 more years of Libby tears might cause a world wide flood.

Then I imagine the 3 1/2 more years of gloating and empty posturing we would have had in it's stead, and I think -

donald-trump-on-a-tank-photoshopped-graphic-explosions-american-flag.jpg
This picture pretty much sums up what I think about Trump supporters. Not surprising. Definitely makes our country look stupid.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Sometimes I wish Hillary had won just because 7 1/2 more years of Libby tears might cause a world wide flood.

Then I imagine the 3 1/2 more years of gloating and empty posturing we would have had in it's stead, and I think -

donald-trump-on-a-tank-photoshopped-graphic-explosions-american-flag.jpg
Btw, as someone who voted for Hillary even though I really didn't like her, my disgust for Trump has nothing to do with Hillary losing. It has to do with Trump's actions. He is a despicable human being, imho ... in business, politics, and personality wise.
 

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
Sometimes I wish Hillary had won just because 7 1/2 more years of Libby tears might cause a world wide flood.

Then I imagine the 3 1/2 more years of gloating and empty posturing we would have had in it's stead, and I think -

donald-trump-on-a-tank-photoshopped-graphic-explosions-american-flag.jpg

Won't the recoil from the gun knock the eagle out of the air?
 
Btw, as someone who voted for Hillary even though I really didn't like her, my disgust for Trump has nothing to do with Hillary losing. It has to do with Trump's actions. He is a despicable human being, imho ... in business, politics, and personality wise.

Yes, you have made your irational biases quite clear over several threads now.
 

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
Nice try but recoil goes straight back; try understanding Newtons third law.

Go on and explain to me the reality of an eagle maintaining flight while at the same time firing a fully automatic weapon and then we can discuss why the Hulk can't pick up Thor's hammer.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Yes, you have made your irational biases quite clear over several threads now.
I'm happy to provide evidence to back up my views of Trump. But, your reluctance to even ask for it shows your irrational bias of any negative views of Trump.

Interested in seeing the evidence, or are you just set in your admiration of the "man".
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
This picture pretty much sums up what I think about Trump supporters. Not surprising. Definitely makes our country look stupid.
The only thing dumber than a country which voted for Trump
is a country which ran Hillary as the even worse alternative.
 
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