Trump Bashing Leaks

[fantome profane]

I can not find anything that says that the recording of Flynn's conversation did or did not need a warrant. I do know that the intercept was considered classified information and by releasing it to the media a illegal act was done. Now you and other may think that the releasing of classified information is not a issue if it is considered "the public needs to know".; however I and others do not agree and the law does not agree. If we are a nation of laws and we only enforce the ones we "like" then we are not a nation of laws.

Did you feel the same way when Wikileaks was releasing Clinton's emails? I don't think Wikileaks got a warrant.

As far as your other comments about a potentially illegal attempt to undermine the US government suggest you read the following article.
FBI reviewed Flynn’s calls with Russian ambassador but found nothing illicit

If Flynn did nothing wrong, why did Trump ask for his resignation? It makes no sense. Trump is trying to say that this is all about the leaks and the media. But the media didn't make Flynn resign, the democrats didn't make Flynn resign, the FBI didn't make Flynn resign. Trump asked for Flynn's resignation. Why?

I suggest you read the this article.
Flynn in FBI interview denied discussing sanctions with Russian ambassador

 

[esmith]

I'd be willing to bet some of the republican establishment figures are behind this leak. Think Lindsay Graham and John McCain.

I do not think they are on the list to have access to this information. Just my opinion

 

[esmith]

Yes I am familiar with hacking and illegal leaks. Happened to Hillary if you recall, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Are you saying that the hacked Podesta emails and DNC emails are classified information?

 

[idav]

Are you saying that the hacked Podesta emails and DNC emails are classified information?

FBI was leaking stuff about Clinton while holding back on the russia stuff they were investigating. Trump can call it fake news but people don't resign over fake news.

 

[esmith]

Did you feel the same way when Wikileaks was releasing Clinton's emails? I don't think Wikileaks got a warrant.
If Flynn did nothing wrong, why did Trump ask for his resignation? It makes no sense. Trump is trying to say that this is all about the leaks and the media. But the media didn't make Flynn resign, the democrats didn't make Flynn resign, the FBI didn't make Flynn resign. Trump asked for Flynn's resignation. Why?

I suggest you read the this article.
Flynn in FBI interview denied discussing sanctions with Russian ambassador

Ok let's take this one little step at a time so you can process it and I will try and keep it as simple as possible.

First get your facts straight before you make a statement. Clinton's emails were not hacked and released by Wikileaks, the DNC and John Podesta emails were hacked and released by Wikileaks

Second we know for a fact that the intelligence agencies must obtain a FISA warrant for surveillance within the US. see :History of the Federal Judiciary

Third the President asked for his resignation because he lied to the Vice President.

Fourth the information released was classified information and the U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 37 › § 798 deals with the releasing classified material as an illegal act
First part of that below..
"Whoever knowingly and willfully communicates, furnishes, transmits, or otherwise makes available to an unauthorized person, or publishes, or uses in any manner prejudicial to the safety or interest of the United States or for the benefit of any foreign government to the detriment of the United States any classified information—"

Fifth there is no proof available to the general public that sanctions were discussed as per you linked article, and even the FBI has not said there was or wasn't.

Sixth Can't answer your question if I feel the same way about the leaks of Clinton's emails because they were not hacked or leaked

Following is not an answer to your statement only a statement by me and asking you a question. A little beyond simple.
Therefore there is within one of the agency a person or persons who committed an illegal act. Do you really want person or persons within any agency committing illegal actions? These person or persons must be held responsible for their illegal actions. Now they may have thought what they were doing was something the public needed to know (which I doubt was the reason) but they also knew it was an illegal action. Therefore they should have the intestinal fortitude to accept the results of their actions. Do you not agree?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Trump bashes intervening released about Russia.

President Trump blasts ‘low-life’ leakers in Flynn Russia fiasco

I thought he didn't mind since he was more than happy to spread leaks about Hillary. Apparently not cool when the leaks are about his own administration. Not surprising, Trump has not been the most consistent person I've heard views from.

I think he's been very consistent: he consistently favours whatever side of an issue will give him the greatest benefit.

 

[esmith]

FBI was leaking stuff about Clinton while holding back on the russia stuff they were investigating. Trump can call it fake news but people don't resign over fake news.

I asked you a very simple question but you do not seem or want to answer it "Was any of the information given out about Hillary or the emails of the DNC and John Podesta classified information" I just added Hillary to the question, was not in the post you responded to.

 

[fantome profane]

the President asked for his resignation because he lied to the Vice President.

If Flynn did not discuss sanctions with the Russians then he did not lie to the Vice President. But he did discuss sanctions and he did lie about it. And Trump was told about Flynn discussing sanctions three weeks before he asked for his resignation.

 

[Notanumber]

I don’t like George Galloway but he does talk some sense at times.

 

[esmith]

If Flynn did not discuss sanctions with the Russians then he did not lie to the Vice President. But he did discuss sanctions and he did lie about it. And Trump was told about Flynn discussing sanctions three weeks before he asked for his resignation.

Where is the official source or the official transcript that shows he discussed sanctions with the Russian Ambassador?

 

[idav]

I asked you a very simple question but you do not seem or want to answer it "Was any of the information given out about Hillary or the emails of the DNC and John Podesta classified information" I just added Hillary to the question, was not in the post you responded to.

Because I wasn't talking about the dnc leaks I was talking about trump being mad about intelligence leaks, i.e. FBI CIA etc. I'm talking about comeys guys going after Clinton via intelligence.

 

[idav]

I think he's been very consistent: he consistently favours whatever side of an issue will give him the greatest benefit.

Yeah I noticed that right away. It's easy to gain favor when you just agree with everyone in separate contradictory conversations.

 

[Augustus]

As far as your other comments about a potentially illegal attempt to undermine the US government suggest you read the following article.
FBI reviewed Flynn’s calls with Russian ambassador but found nothing illicit

If the Washington Post is a good source for you, then this is a more recent article talking about Flynn having his security clearance revoked and "Senior officials who have reviewed the phone call thought Flynn’s statements to Kislyak were inappropriate, if not illegal, because he suggested that the Kremlin could expect a reprieve from the sanctions."

Flynn in FBI interview denied discussing sanctions with Russian ambassador

And seeing as he resigned because he lied to Pence, what precisely do you believe he lied about that wasn't an attempt to undermine the POTUS?

Also, being honest, were Hillary's acolytes in a similar situation had she won, would you be singing from the same hymn sheet as you are now? Truthfully?

 

[esmith]

FBI was leaking stuff about Clinton while holding back on the russia stuff they were investigating. Trump can call it fake news but people don't resign over fake news.

So you say. What did the FBI leak about Hillary, what did the FBI not disclose about the "russia stuff"(your words not mine)

 

[esmith]

If the Washington Post is a good source for you, then this is a more recent article talking about Flynn having his security clearance revoked and "Senior officials who have reviewed the phone call thought Flynn’s statements to Kislyak were inappropriate, if not illegal, because he suggested that the Kremlin could expect a reprieve from the sanctions."

Flynn in FBI interview denied discussing sanctions with Russian ambassador

And seeing as he resigned because he lied to Pence, what precisely do you believe he lied about that wasn't an attempt to undermine the POTUS?

Also, being honest, were Hillary's acolytes in a similar situation had she won, would you be singing from the same hymn sheet as you are now? Truthfully?

To answer your question "And seeing as he resigned because he lied to Pence, what precisely do you believe he lied about that wasn't an attempt to undermine the POTUS?"
I don't have an answer one way or another because I don't know if he was attempting to undermine the President or not. There are too many things that are unknown and I don't want to speculate.
However I will say that since we know the he didn't tell the VP the truth he should have been dismissed.

If Hillary had won I would say the same thing. Lying to a superior in my book is punishable.

 

[Augustus]

If Hillary had won I would say the same thing. Lying to a superior in my book is punishable.

The National Security chief had his security clearance revoked and it is simply a matter of 'lying to their superior'?

 

[Maponos]

Hardly since it should be obvious to even the most daft that Trump has greatly surpassed Hillary in terms of being trustworthy with classified information and national security issues. Do you have information that counters that or just more vapid replies?

Even though she's been caught gloating about how a rapist got away with raping someone?

 

[Mister_T]

Even though she's been caught gloating about how a rapist got away with raping someone?

FALSE: Hillary Clinton Freed Child Rapist

Forget that fact that we're talking about national security leaks here and you're just side-stepping that inconvenient part. Are you going to show me how Clinton is worse at being trustworthy with classified information and national security issues or just keep side-stepping with more unrelated nonsense?

 

[esmith]

The National Security chief had his security clearance revoked and it is simply a matter of 'lying to their superior'?

As no longer the National Security Advisor his security clearance would be pulled just as anyone else who is in a position that requires a security clearance leaves that position their security clearance would be pulled.
Every think things through before you post something?

 

[idav]

Even though she's been caught gloating about how a rapist got away with raping someone?

Only when taken out of context. I could care less about lawyers doing their job back in the 70's.

So you say. What did the FBI leak about Hillary, what did the FBI not disclose about the "russia stuff"(your words not mine)

They leaked that they were doing investigations on Hillary while costing her the election and any of the investigations about Russia were not disclosed. Now trump gets mad, tough, he enjoyed leaks when it wasn't him on the line.