Trump is bullying autistic teen. Why?

[Shad]

So why does the OP title describe this as "bullying autistic teen"?

I think Trump is a dick, and in major denial about climate change.
But the descriptions of Greta keep flip flopping from "delicate young girl" to "precociously smart and self possessed public figure". I call that hypocrisy.
Tom

It is framing. When she is criticized she becomes "autistic teen". When she is saying something a person likes she becomes "smart and dedicated". It is a way to shut down criticism regardless of the content of the criticism. Hence why the OP isn't "Trump criticized public figure" as that isn't the point. The point is to create outrage by focusing on who she is instead of what she is saying and doing.

 

[columbus]

Whose descriptions? If one person describes her one way, and someone else describes her another, that is not hypocrisy.

Here's where the hypocrisy comes in.

And keep in mind, I'm hardly defending Trump or his policies.

When Trump says something dismissive, which is the worst that can be said of his tweet, Greta is a delicate young girl. So tweeting about her is bullying.
But when it's pointed out that she's underage and has "issues", and her parents should be protecting her, she's suddenly a strong and capable person. Nothing to do with her parents.

It's the SJWs, as a group, exhibiting the hypocrisy. Show me one post where an SJW corrected another SJW, on this subject.

Perhaps you'll do it. Is Greta competent to join the global controversy, or is she a kid who is off limits to criticism?
Tom

 

[Jose Fly]

It is framing. When she is criticized she becomes "autistic teen". When she is saying something a person likes she becomes "smart and dedicated". It is a way to shut down criticism regardless of the content of the criticism. Hence why the OP isn't "Trump criticized public figure" as that isn't the point. The point is to create outrage by focusing on who she is instead of what she is saying and doing.

You may be unintentionally correct. The point is, the President of the United States is going out of his way to attack a 13 year old activist on a personal level, rather than in a context that has anything to do with what she's actually saying and doing (as you put it).

IOW, Trump descended to middle school level taunting, rather than criticize her message.

 

[Shad]

You may be unintentionally correct. The point is, the President of the United States is going out of his way to attack a 13 year old activist on a personal level, rather than in a context that has anything to do with what she's actually saying and doing (as you put it).

She is 16. He has isn't going out his way. He is commenting on a public figure that is in the news all the time. Going out the way would involve criticizing someone that isn't a well known figure. You are speculating, nothing more

IOW, Trump descended to middle school level taunting, rather than criticize her message.

He is criticizing her emotional state running away with her. Hence "chill" as in relax.

 

[columbus]

The point is, the President of the United States is going out of his way to attack a 13 year old activist on a personal level,

So,
Your opinion is that she's a delicate teen who shouldn't be exposed to reality, just yet. I agree. So why do you think her parents allowed this to happen?
Tom

 

[Jose Fly]

She is 16.

My bad.

He has isn't going out his way.

Yeah he is. He's the President of the United States, and as such he should be far too busy to spend time starting personal battles with teenagers.

He is commenting on a public figure that is in the news all the time.

No, he's not "commenting", he's engaging in deliberate personal attacks in a very childish manner.

Going out the way would involve criticizing someone that isn't a well known figure. You are speculating, nothing more

That makes no sense.

He is criticizing her emotional state running away with her. Hence "chill" as in relax.

So you agree that instead of critiquing her message and "what she's saying and doing", he's attacking her on a personal level.

 

[Jose Fly]

So,
Your opinion is that she's a delicate teen who shouldn't be exposed to reality, just yet.

Nope, never said that. I specifically noted that the President of the United States deliberately chose to go after her on a personal level, which is quite revealing about him.

I agree. So why do you think her parents allowed this to happen?
Tom

According to both her and her parents, this was primarily her doing. They were somewhat skeptical of her views, and she convinced them to change. Then she began her activism and they've supported her.

 

[Shad]

Yeah he is. He's the President of the United States, and as such he should be far too busy to spend time starting personal battles with teenagers.

Wrong. She has addressed Congress already thus in within the government scope. She has addressed the UN which the US is a leading member of (and the only member worth a damn). Both are under the scope of POTUS. She has directly criticized him and politicians like him. Ergo personal and political scopes. Try again.

No, he's not "commenting", he's engaging in deliberate personal attacks in a very childish manner.

Telling someone to relax isn't an attack.

That makes no sense.

Actually it does. Going out of the way involves doing something a person would not normally do.

So you agree that instead of critiquing her message and "what she's saying and doing", he's attacking her on a personal level.

Telling someone to relax isn't a personal attack

 

[columbus]

Yeah he is. He's the President of the United States, and as such he should be far too busy to spend time starting personal battles with teenagers.

I totally agree that Trump is denialist a-h*le. He shouldn't have tweeted what he did.
But that doesn't change the fact that none of this would have happened if her parents didn't allow it. They are responsible.
Tom

 

[columbus]

According to both her and her parents, this was primarily her doing. They were somewhat skeptical of her views, and she convinced them to change. Then she began her activism and they've supported her.

Nevertheless, she's underage and her parents have to take responsibility for her choices. And the outcome of her choices. That's what parents do and are responsible for.

I find absolving the parents and blaming Trump extremely hypocritical.
Tom

 

[Jose Fly]

Wrong. She has addressed Congress already thus in within the government scope. She has addressed the UN which the US is a leading member of (and the only member worth a damn). Both are under the scope of POTUS. She has directly criticized him and politicians like him. Ergo personal and political scopes. Try again.

Interesting that you think engaging in childish personal attacks is a good use of the President's time.

Telling someone to relax isn't an attack.

Is that all he did? As you noted yourself, "He is criticizing her emotional state running away with her". Maybe you see that as a compliment, but I sure don't.

Actually it does. Going out of the way involves doing something a person would not normally do.

Exactly. Your position is that the President of the United States engaging in personal attacks against a teenager is part of the normal duties of the position. I find that rather odd.

Telling someone to relax isn't a personal attack

Again, you noted yourself that "He is criticizing her emotional state running away with her". That's most certainly personal, and it definitely isn't a compliment.

 

[Shad]

Interesting that you think engaging in childish personal attacks is a good use of the President's time.

Wrong. I do not see telling someone to relax as a personal attack. You are just projecting. It was a 5 second tweet. Yawn

Is that all he did? As you noted yourself, "He is criticizing her emotional state running away with her". Maybe you see that as a compliment, but I sure don't.

I never said compliment. You are projecting fiction from you head. Telling someone to relax is the typically response to someone that is in a highly emotional state.

Exactly. Your position is that the President of the United States engaging in personal attacks against a teenager is part of the normal duties of the position. I find that rather odd.

Wrong. He told her to relax. It isn't a personal attack. You are projecting again.

Again, you noted yourself that "He is criticizing her emotional state running away with her". That's most certainly personal, and it definitely isn't a compliment.

It isn't a personal attack. You are projecting fiction again. Now read what I posted instead of the following the fiction in your head.

 

[Jose Fly]

I totally agree that Trump is denialist a-h*le. He shouldn't have tweeted what he did.

@Shad seems to think it's part of the regular duties of the President of the United States.

But that doesn't change the fact that none of this would have happened if her parents didn't allow it. They are responsible.

They're responsible for the President's behavior?

Nevertheless, she's underage and her parents have to take responsibility for her choices. And the outcome of her choices. That's what parents do and are responsible for.

And my understanding is that they have. IMO, she's done quite well.

I find absolving the parents and blaming Trump extremely hypocritical.

I don't see anyone doing that. I see people saying Trump is responsible for his own behavior. I mean, is your position that Trump is not responsible for his own behavior?

 

[Shad]

@Shad seems to think it's part of the regular duties of the President of the United States.

I never said that. You are projecting fiction from your head. Try again son. Less fantasy next time. Stop listening to the voices in your head.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Trump more so as he was a public figure long before he ran for POTUS. Becoming POTUS added another layer



Likewise Greta

Both true. Greta's response was fairly mature.

 

[Shad]

Both true. Greta's response was fairly mature.

I never read her response to Trump's tweet. Got a link handy?

 

[Notanumber]

One million moms, an organization, seem to have issues with Hallmark and ads

Do you have the name of the person that they have de-platformed?

 

[columbus]

Both true. Greta's response was fairly mature.

Outclassing Trump isn't difficult.
Tom

 

[Shad]

Do you have the name of the person that they have de-platformed?

I took de-platform as beyond an individual level but shutting down of expression of ideas, views, action, etc.

 

[Jose Fly]

Wrong. I do not see telling someone to relax as a personal attack. You are just projecting. It was a 5 second tweet. Yawn

He also said she has an "anger management problem".

I never said compliment. You are projecting fiction from you head. Telling someone to relax is the typically response to someone that is in a highly emotional state.

Wrong. He told her to relax. It isn't a personal attack. You are projecting again.

Here, educate yourself....

"So ridiculous. Greta must work on her Anger Management problem, then go to a good old fashioned movie with a friend! Chill Greta, Chill!"

That's a personal attack.

I never said that. You are projecting fiction from your head. Try again son. Less fantasy next time. Stop listening to the voices in your head.

When I said the President of the United States should be far too busy to engage in such childish personal attacks, you said "Wrong." Speaks for itself.