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Trump is losing the debate acting like a raving lunatic

Subduction Zone

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I did not say you claimed Trump lied about Immigration so why are you pretending I did - Strawman Fallacy

"Raving Lunatic" - Name calling is not an argument -- regardless of whether or not the names called are true
Dude! You just quote mined. And just used another strawman fallacy.

Ease up. Breathe a bit. When you quote someone and disagree with them you should never quote out of order. You quoted only his first sentence and his last sentence without showing that you did so. That is very improper in a debate. Worse yet he explained how you were wrong, yet you ignored all of that. But do not worry. I am here to help. This is the part of his post that explained how you were wrong and that you ignored and edited out when you responded to him:

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There is more than one argument here and you have failed to respond coherently to my posts and my arguments concerning Trump and MAGA Republican lies and extreme views. You failed to respond coherently to your accusation of "Genocide Joe," which I detailed the problem with this accusation.

The facts concerning Israel and the Middle East cannot be resolved by any administration now and in the past. Trump could nt resolve it. Ii is a fact that Israel and Muslims have rejected any negotiation efforts now and in the past. Israel is a Jews only State, and considers the future removal of all Muslims from Palestine and will not negotiate any other alternative. It is a tribal war thousands of years old even between the various Muslims factions it is tribal war only they can resolve.

The violence against Palestinians is the responsibility of the Jews of Isreal not any US administration.

www.timesofisrael.com

US sounds alarm over latest incidents of settler violence in West Bank

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www.timesofisrael.com
www.timesofisrael.com

Trump advocates a harder pro=Israel line in like with the Republican Party, What did Trump do to resolve the conflict?"
 

Sargonski

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The violence against Palestinians is the responsibility of the Jews of Isreal not any US administration.


Yes, Trump is a "Raving Lunatic."

Actually .. you have gotten things all backwards .. of course Genocide Joe is responsible for violating US Law .. continuing to arm those in commission of a Holocaust .. guilty of Terrorism .. War Crimes .. Crimes against humanity as a co-beligerent

but .. the "Raving Lunatic" in this mess is not Trump but Bibi .. and his side-kick Biden - and the members in Congress who continue to arm fund and support a holocaust.

The "Raving Lunatic" are the ones supporting a Holocaust - thats the purpose of the Hague ShunyD. :)
 

Subduction Zone

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Actually .. you have gotten things all backwards .. of course Genocide Joe is responsible for violating US Law .. continuing to arm those in commission of a Holocaust .. guilty of Terrorism .. War Crimes .. Crimes against humanity as a co-beligerent

but .. the "Raving Lunatic" in this mess is not Trump but Bibi .. and his side-kick Biden - and the members in Congress who continue to arm fund and support a holocaust.

The "Raving Lunatic" are the ones supporting a Holocaust - thats the purpose of the Hague ShunyD. :)
Wow! Read the whole post. You call Biden "Genocide Joe" because he has proposed to still give aid to Israel with some restrictions where Trump promises full aid with no restrictions. You are not reasoning rationally.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
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Actually .. you have gotten things all backwards .. of course Genocide Joe is responsible for violating US Law .. continuing to arm those in commission of a Holocaust .. guilty of Terrorism .. War Crimes .. Crimes against humanity as a co-beligerent

but .. the "Raving Lunatic" in this mess is not Trump but Bibi .. and his side-kick Biden - and the members in Congress who continue to arm fund and support a holocaust.

The "Raving Lunatic" are the ones supporting a Holocaust - thats the purpose of the Hague ShunyD. :)
A very distorted self justified view of recent Middle East history. Unfortunately your grasp of English is limited to justify your argument.

ALL the Presidents and Congresses including Trump armed Israel with whatever they wanted, because it was the will of the US citizens to support and preserve the state of Israel. Biden has very little control over this.
 
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F1fan

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Actually .. you have gotten things all backwards .. of course Genocide Joe is responsible for violating US Law .. continuing to arm those in commission of a Holocaust .. guilty of Terrorism .. War Crimes .. Crimes against humanity as a co-beligerent

but .. the "Raving Lunatic" in this mess is not Trump but Bibi .. and his side-kick Biden - and the members in Congress who continue to arm fund and support a holocaust.

The "Raving Lunatic" are the ones supporting a Holocaust - thats the purpose of the Hague ShunyD. :)
It's as if you are competing to be in the same category.
 

Sargonski

Well-Known Member
Dude! You just quote mined. And just used another strawman fallacy.


The violence against Palestinians is the responsibility of the Jews of Isreal not any US administration.
You have no idea what strawman fallacy is .. (what words were put in your mouth that you did not speak) -- and indeed Genocide Joe is in part responsible for the Gaza Holocaust.
 

Sargonski

Well-Known Member
A very distorted self justified view of recent Middle East history. Unfortunately your grasp of English is limited to justify your argument.

ALL the Presidents and Congresses including Trump armed Israel with whatever they wanted, because it was the will of the US citizens to support and preserve the state of Israel. Biden has very little control over this.

didn't distort anything .. Biden continued to send weapons to terrorists in violation of US Law .. and of course Biden has control over this and my English is far better than yours and knowledge of logical fallacy .. demonstrated by you fallaciously complaining about English.

Now .. perhaps try and address the topic rather than hoping personal invective might be an argument for something and tell us who this "Raving Lunatic" - that supports the Holocaust is ?

It's as if you are competing to be in the same category.

You have things backwards. I am not the one that supports the Holocaust in Gaza via support for Genocide Joe -- perhaps you need look in the mirror and take log out of own eye :)
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
didn't distort anything .. Biden continued to send weapons to terrorists in violation of US Law .. and of course Biden has control over this and my English is far better than yours and knowledge of logical fallacy .. demonstrated by you fallaciously complaining about English.

Now .. perhaps try and address the topic rather than hoping personal invective might be an argument for something and tell us who this "Raving Lunatic" - that supports the Holocaust is ?
Trump overwhelmingly supports weapons and financial support of Israel and rejects any support whatsoever any support for the Palestinians.
You have things backwards. I am not the one that supports the Holocaust in Gaza via support for Genocide Joe -- perhaps you need look in the mirror and take log out of own eye :)
An accusation of "Genocide Joe" does in indicate support for Biden, especially since he has no control or influence over Israel's actions or policies in the history of Israel.
 

Sargonski

Well-Known Member
Trump overwhelmingly supports weapons and financial support of Israel and rejects any support whatsoever any support for the Palestinians.

An accusation of "Genocide Joe" does in indicate support for Biden, especially since he has no control or influence over Israel's actions or policies in the history of Israel.

The claim that Biden has no control or influence over Israeli's actions is preposterously false.. Biden is supplying the weapons that Israel is using in the Holocaust. The claim that Trump supports Israel is true .. however the defacto claim that he would not be using his influence and control to work towards cease fire is false.

Regardless of what Trump might do .. Genocide Joe is actually doing the do .. supporting the Holocaust.

The accusation of "Genocide Joe" is one upheld by the ICC ... earning his complicity in war crimes stripe in Yemen .. Terrorist badge in Libya .. and the massive war crimes -- crimes against humanity and genocide in Syria ..

So nothing new for Genocide Joe .. and the True Blue cancel crew .. a vote for those neocon war criminals is a vote for the Holocaust.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
The claim that Biden has no control or influence over Israeli's actions is preposterously false.. Biden is supplying the weapons that Israel is using in the Holocaust. The claim that Trump supports Israel is true .. however the defacto claim that he would not be using his influence and control to work towards cease fire is false.
It is true, The us providing weapons to Israel is mandated by congress and ALL previous administrations and Congresses including Trump. This is based on the overwhelming support of the citizens of the USA.

Why blame Biden suddenly with the Hamas War when it is the history of arms support for Israel? Virtually all the present arms support of Iarael has been part of the budget in the history of the USA. Biden cannot change independently what is mandated by Congress,
Regardless of what Trump might do .. Genocide Joe is actually doing the do .. supporting the Holocaust.
False as documented above..
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
didn't distort anything .. Biden continued to send weapons to terrorists in violation of US Law ..
No he didn't. The USA has been a supporter of Israel since its founding, and Biden continues that tradition. Biden also has been critical of Netanyahu about using these weaons against Gaza, and their ongoing criminal actions against civilians. As noted Biden held back weapons that could be used in Gaza.
and of course Biden has control over this and my English is far better than yours and knowledge of logical fallacy ..
I'm sure your daddy is bigger than his daddy, too. Except you continually demonstrate that you don't understand the fallacies you cite. You should feel embarassment.
demonstrated by you fallaciously complaining about English.
Words and meanings can be hard for some. You struggle to form coherent sentences. Look at your sentence fragment approach. We have to put fragments together and try to understand what the hell you are saying. It's almost as if you are trying to write the way Trump talks: incoherent rambling.
Now .. perhaps try and address the topic rather than hoping personal invective might be an argument for something and tell us who this "Raving Lunatic" - that supports the Holocaust is ?
Well only Trump has met with racists and neoNazis, so if anyone supports the Holoocaust it would be him. But Trump is an empty vessel who will engage with anyone even if they are anti-social. He has so much insecurity he seeks the approval of anyone, even if vile.
You have things backwards. I am not the one that supports the Holocaust in Gaza via support for Genocide Joe -- perhaps you need look in the mirror and take log out of own eye :)
I'm not Joe Biden, why suggest I'm included in your false accusation? Notice you continue with the false accusation against Biden even though you have been countered with evidence to the contrary.

If anyone will support Netanyahu it's Trump, because he likes "strongmen" who use violence against otehrs in oppressive ways. Look how he likes Kim Jong Un. He loves putin, the war criminal and president who kills his political opponents. And he likes Netanyahu who is a conservatives that uses power to avoid the criminal indictments just like Trump wants to do.

If you are so concerned about morality why aren't you concerned with your own prejudice againt Biden and lying what he supports? It suggests you aren't really moral, and just using the Gaza situation to slander Biden. Notice it backfires and only makes you look bad.

Just like words, ethics can be tricky for simple minds. Trump speaks at a 4th grade level, and you seem to be happy there, too.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
didn't distort anything .. Biden continued to send weapons to terrorists in violation of US Law .. and of course Biden has control over this and my English is far better than yours and knowledge of logical fallacy .. demonstrated by you fallaciously complaining about English.

Now .. perhaps try and address the topic rather than hoping personal invective might be an argument for something and tell us who this "Raving Lunatic" - that supports the Holocaust is ?



You have things backwards. I am not the one that supports the Holocaust in Gaza via support for Genocide Joe -- perhaps you need look in the mirror and take log out of own eye :)
But you did. When you change your debating style perhaps we can have a discussion. Until then I will merely correct you. And laugh quite often too.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
No he didn't. The USA has been a supporter of Israel since its founding, and Biden continues that tradition. Biden also has been critical of Netanyahu about using these weaons against Gaza, and their ongoing criminal actions against civilians. As noted Biden held back weapons that could be used in Gaza.
I just cannot understand the way he criticizes Biden and obviously supports Trump. Trump has promised more support and without strings to Israel. If he was consistent he would have to call Trump Uber-Genocide Donald
 

Sargonski

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It is true, The us providing weapons to Israel is mandated by congress and ALL previous administrations and Congresses including Trump. This is based on the overwhelming support of the citizens of the USA.

Why blame Biden suddenly with the Hamas War when it is the history of arms support for Israel? Virtually all the present arms support of Iarael has been part of the budget in the history of the USA. Biden cannot change independently what is mandated by Congress,

False as documented above..

It is not false that Genocide Joe was supporting Israel with weapons during the genocidre ... the fact that congress supported it to does not change this fact .. your claim that Trump was giving Israel weapons during the Holocaust is completely false.

but .. worry not .. there is a new Boss in town .. :) Bwaa haaa haaa haha ha :)
But you did. When you change your debating style perhaps we can have a discussion. Until then I will merely correct you. And laugh quite often too.

What discussion - who wants to discuss anything with one who goes running to the mods as a debate tactic .. Trump Trump Trump .. LOL

I just cannot understand the way he criticizes Biden and obviously supports Trump. Trump has promised more support and without strings to Israel. If he was consistent he would have to call Trump Uber-Genocide Donald

You can't understand that supporting a Holocaust is a bad thing ? .. and its not Trump doing the dirty deed .. wailing about what Trump might do .. its Biden who is doing the dirty deed ... but .. prehaps now you will get your wish .. sing it with me Trump Trump Trump :) LOL

No he didn't.

Of course Biden has been sending weapons to Israel during the Holocaust .. but you don't have to worry about that no more .. sing it with me Trump Trump Trump .... :)
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
What discussion - who wants to discuss anything with one who goes running to the mods as a debate tactic .. Trump Trump Trump .. LOL
What? I do not run to the mods as a debate tactic.
You can't understand that supporting a Holocaust is a bad thing ? .. and its not Trump doing the dirty deed .. wailing about what Trump might do .. its Biden who is doing the dirty deed ... but .. prehaps now you will get your wish .. sing it with me Trump Trump Trump :) LOL
Wow! More projection. Claiming that limiting how much help one will give in an attempt to end abuse is "supporting a Holocaust". And you do not have to worry. Now Israel will be getting far more support and without any strings attached. Do you not see how one is better than the other?
Of course Biden has been sending weapons to Israel during the Holocaust .. but you don't have to worry about that no more .. sing it with me Trump Trump Trump .... :)
Yes, Trump is going to make it ten times worse for the Palestinians. I guess that you are the one that supports the Holocaust as long as it is your guy doing it.

That appears to be some extreme TDS on your part. You are not reasoning consistently. I guess that it was not the "Holocaust" that you opposed. You were opposing how long it is taking.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
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It is not false that Genocide Joe was supporting Israel with weapons during the genocidre ... the fact that congress supported it to does not change this fact .. your claim that Trump was giving Israel weapons during the Holocaust is completely false.

but .. worry not .. there is a new Boss in town .. :) Bwaa haaa haaa haha ha :)


What discussion - who wants to discuss anything with one who goes running to the mods as a debate tactic .. Trump Trump Trump .. LOL



You can't understand that supporting a Holocaust is a bad thing ? .. and its not Trump doing the dirty deed .. wailing about what Trump might do .. its Biden who is doing the dirty deed ... but .. prehaps now you will get your wish .. sing it with me Trump Trump Trump :) LOL



Of course Biden has been sending weapons to Israel during the Holocaust .. but you don't have to worry about that no more .. sing it with me Trump Trump Trump .... :)
Still making emotional irrational claims as to what the President can do when mandated by Congress, It will be mor\e than obvious when Trump becomes President he will continue the military support for Isreal as with ALL Presidents and Congresses in the Past,
 

Sargonski

Well-Known Member
What? I do not run to the mods as a debate tactic.

Wow! More projection. Claiming that limiting how much help one will give in an attempt to end abuse is "supporting a Holocaust". And you do not have to worry. Now Israel will be getting far more support and without any strings attached. Do you not see how one is better than the other?

Yes, Trump is going to make it ten times worse for the Palestinians. I guess that you are the one that supports the Holocaust as long as it is your guy doing it.

That appears to be some extreme TDS on your part. You are not reasoning consistently. I guess that it was not the "Holocaust" that you opposed. You were opposing how long it is taking.

LOL .. :) :) yup .. was you running to the mods but worry not .. they deleted post by which you felt harassed .. I did not mean to offend - what means TDS that you wish to project ?

Who knows if Trump will be 10 x worse .. let us hope not .. but it was not Trump who is guilty of crimes against humanity you are mixing up Biden's deeds with Trump ,, which is why the voters punished Kamala not Trump at the Ballot box ... resulting in "extreme TDS" that you wish to project onto others.

"You are not reasoning consistently" you say. -- but, I am not the one mixing up the President guilty of Crimes against humanity .. in need of a meeting at the Hague .
 

Sargonski

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Still making emotional irrational claims as to what the President can do when mandated by Congress, It will be mor\e than obvious when Trump becomes President he will continue the military support for Isreal as with ALL Presidents and Congresses in the Past,

Nothing emotional nor irrational about the fact the President has veto power .. and thus bears primary responsibility for the Crimes against Humanity committed while President. You do not understand how things work :)

What Trump will do in the future changes nothing about Biden's guilt for what he did in the past .. for which a date with the Hague is justified.. and it will be Biden who will be summoned first .. and others in his administration.. would the ICC have the power. You know not how things work.. no no no :)
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Nothing emotional nor irrational about the fact the President has veto power .. and thus bears primary responsibility for the Crimes against Humanity committed while President. You do not understand how things work :)

What Trump will do in the future changes nothing about Biden's guilt for what he did in the past .. for which a date with the Hague is justified.. and it will be Biden who will be summoned first .. and others in his administration.. would the ICC have the power. You know not how things work.. no no no :)
Still making emotional irrational claims as to what the President can do when mandated by Congress, It will be more than obvious when Trump becomes President he will continue the military support for Israel as with ALL Presidents and Congresses in the Past,

Prediction of what Trump did in the past and will do in the future is obvious like ALL Presidents and Congresses in the past . The Republican Party is noe and in the past have been and are devoted to supporting Israel.



Trump Wants to End Gaza War on Israel’s Terms​


The war could end sooner than it otherwise might have—but in ways that are worse for Palestinians.​

Cook-Steve-foreign-policy-columnist4Steven A. Cook
By Steven A. Cook, a columnist at Foreign Policy and the Eni Enrico Mattei senior fellow for Middle East and Africa studies at the Council on Foreign Relations.
Donald Trump attends an Oct. 7 remembrance event at the Trump National Doral Golf Club in Florida.
Donald Trump attends an Oct. 7 remembrance event at the Trump National Doral Golf Club in Florida.
Donald Trump attends an Oct. 7 remembrance event at the Trump National Doral Golf Club in Florida. Joe Raedle/Getty Images
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President-elect Donald Trump’s broad mandate portends many changes to U.S. policy, but when it comes to the Middle East, things are likely to remain mostly the same. Support for Israel will continue, Iran will be a major pre-occupation, and Team Trump will likely look for ways to establish normal diplomatic relations between Saudis and Israelis. Sounds familiar, no?
Like the Biden administration, which worked for a cease-fire in Gaza that never was, Trump wants the war there to end sooner rather than later. In a phone call ahead of the election, the president-elect told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to wrap up major military operations in Gaza before Inauguration Day. That is consistent with the Biden team’s efforts, though it is inconsistent with Israel’s timeline.
Unlike Biden, however, Trump and the people around him are unlikely to apply pressure on the Israelis to get there. They are more likely to give Israel a lot of leeway, including releasing Biden’s hold on the transfer of certain weapons to finish the job as soon as possible. Biden, to be sure, has overseen an unprecedented 14-month effort to re-supply the Israel Defense Forces. But Trump is less likely to ask hard questions about Israel’s operations, the provision of humanitarian aid, and the status of Gaza after the war ends.

For Gazans, it may seem that the quicker the war ends the better. But if the Trump administration allows the Israeli government to pursue the end of the conflict in ways it sees fit, it is likely that more Palestinians will be killed along the way. Then, of course, there are Netanyahu’s partners who want to resettle the Gaza Strip, the logical conclusion of which is the further dispossession of a population that was already predominantly refugees and their descendants.
 
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