Trump is losing the debate acting like a raving lunatic

[Sargonski]

Dude, I never said that F1 did not use those words. You are trying to change the argument that he made. Sorry, with all of your false claims about others until you change your attitude you will not get any more of an explanation than that. I never denied that F1 said what you quoted. Go back and see if I ever denied it. That should have been a big clue that you were missing something.

yes .. you did .. you said it was strawman fallacy .. and that is what strawman fallacy is.... and I am quoting directly from your post... you saying that this >>>>>> "the fact that Trump has a chronic problem of lying .. does not mean that everything he says is a lie" <<<<< was strawman fallacy = the above put words into F1's mouth ... this is your accusation .. which of the above words did F1 not say or infer.

Right .. None ... because there is no strawman fallacy .. cept the made up fantasy strawman in your head .. now apologise for this false accusation and be on your way my young apprentice !

 

[Subduction Zone]

yes .. you did .. you said it was strawman fallacy .. and that is what strawman fallacy is.... and I am quoting directly from your post... you saying that this >>>>>> "the fact that Trump has a chronic problem of lying .. does not mean that everything he says is a lie" <<<<< was strawman fallacy = the above put words into F1's mouth ... this is your accusation .. which of the above words did F1 not say or infer.

Right .. None ... because there is no strawman fallacy .. cept the made up fantasy strawman in your head .. now apologise for this false accusation and be on your way my young apprentice !

Yes, and he never made the argument that you are claiming that he did That is why it is a strawman fallacy. He pointed that out. I pointed that out. The strawman that you built was your version of the argument.

 

[fantome profane]

"The claims are all you MAGAs have, and you offer no evidence. That is why no rational mind takes these claims seriously. It only makes MAGAs look stupid if they keep making these bogus claims."

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What part of Ad Hom fallacy .. attacking the messenger rather than addressing the truth or falsehood of the message

You have only succeeded in proving that you do not know what an ad-hominem fallacy is. Saying "You maga guys have no evidence" is not and ad-hominem. If @Subduction Zone had instead said "you have no evidence because you are maga" that would be an ad-hominem. But that is not what he said.

 

[F1fan]

Tis you lacking the logic .. What part of Trump having a lying problem does not mean everything Trump says is a lie .. are you not getting ? This is logical fallacy .. ( A does not follow from B) .. non sequitur fallacy .. A person Telling lies in the past does not .. in any way shap or form .. show or prove that this person's current claim is a lie .. your logic is false.

"you arn't using logic" -- Yes .. I am .. it is that you lack understanding of what logic is ... basic logic . it is not like this is high level complicated stuff ... any grade 9 student should be able to handle .. and those who did not make it to grade 9 but have some life experience. So .. given the ability to type is clear .. .. I can only assume disingenuous oblivion.

Look at all the words that aren't rebutting anything I wrote. So you concede all the points I asserted, yes?

 

[Sargonski]

You have only succeeded in proving that you do not know what an ad-hominem fallacy is. Saying "You maga guys have no evidence" is not and ad-hominem. If @Subduction Zone had instead said "you have no evidence because you are maga" that would be an ad-hominem. But that is not what he said.

Holy carp -- I didn't say it was... You maga guy

You have only succeeded in proving that you do not know what an ad-hominem fallacy is. Saying "You maga guys have no evidence" is not and ad-hominem. If @Subduction Zone had instead said "you have no evidence because you are maga" that would be an ad-hominem. But that is not what he said.

Good grief .. we are not talking about what Zub D said .. you are not understanding the convo you are jumping into .. the argument .. "the fact that Trump has a chronic problem of lying .. does not mean that everything he says is a lie" .. is the Fallacy currently under inspection ... and this is on the basis of what F1 was aguing of the fallacy form above .. we are playing a game of find the fallacy .. SubD failed to find the fallacy .. perhaps you might try your hand and the game "Find the Fallacy" Fallacy means "False Logic" in this game .. should be able to find at least 2 ..

 

[Subduction Zone]

Holy carp -- I didn't say it was... You maga guy


Good grief .. we are not talking about what Zub D said .. you are not understanding the convo you are jumping into .. "What part of the argument .. "the fact that Trump has a chronic problem of lying .. does not mean that everything he says is a lie" .. is the Fallacy currently under inspection ... and this is on the basis of what F1 was aguing of the fallacy form above .. we are playing a game of find the fallacy .. SubD failed to find the fallacy .. perhaps you might try your hand and the game "Find the Fallacy" Fallacy means "False Logic" in this game .. should be able to find at least 2 ..

That was never F1's argument. I tell you what, don't trust me, ask him. The reason that I have repeatedly told you that you are using a strawman fallacy is because F1 was not arguing for what you claim that he was arguing about.

 

[shunyadragon]

What do QAnon conspiracies have to do with the truth or falsehood of a claim having nothing to do with QAnon ? and how difficult is it to understand that name calling is not an argument.

Do you know what an argument is ?

Of course I know, and you have not responded to the problem that most Republicans believe in the QAnon conspiracies which is very relevant, Your dodging the problem.

 

[shunyadragon]

No it isn't .. what words were attributed to F1 that he did not speak ? and if you make an accusation .. back up your freaken claim .. What a joke of a post.



Tis you lacking the logic .. What part of Trump having a lying problem does not mean everything Trump says is a lie .. are you not getting ? This is logical fallacy .. ( A does not follow from B) .. non sequitur fallacy .. A person Telling lies in the past does not .. in any way shap or form .. show or prove that this person's current claim is a lie .. your logic is false.

"you arn't using logic" -- Yes .. I am .. it is that you lack understanding of what logic is ... basic logic . it is not like this is high level complicated stuff ... any grade 9 student should be able to handle .. and those who did not make it to grade 9 but have some life experience. So .. given the ability to type is clear .. .. I can only assume disingenuous oblivion.

Of course not everything Donald Trump says is not a lie. When he says my name is Donald Trump it is not a lie.

you need to make the effort to respond specifically to Trump's lies.

"Observed behavior" and stated beliefs of Trump/Maga beliefs are the up front evidence for radical extreme right dangerous religious agendas

Failure to respond to post #1420. What is the basis for calling Biden Genocide Joe?

 

[shunyadragon]

I did not attack anything .. and what was this false understanding ? and it matters not if the attack was relevant to the matter at hand .. the attack did not show that the premise was true .. and thus ... is logical fallacy. of the Ad Hom variety.

Once again .. Crying out Maga Maga .. Liar Liar .. does not show that the claims of Maga are lies. to claim that it does .. as you hae done .. is false logic.. failed logic .. logical fallacy

and whats worse .. "This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument. The fallacious attack can also be direct to membership in a group or institution."

is exactly what I told you it was .. and you now falsely claim that the above definition shows I got it wrong .. I got it 100% correct .. Dorp ??


I did not fail to rebut your fallacious nonsense .. Calling out "Maga Maga - liar liar" .. does not show that any of the Maga claims are false .. nor "fact-less" .. that is the logic you are not using .. how is it that you do not undertand that Calling someone a name .. does not show that any of their claims are true .. or false .. regardless of how correct the name is .. which you also said false things .. doubling the ridiculousness of your failed attempt at putting forth a valid argument .. never mind using logic.

the fact that Trump has a chronic problem of lying .. does not mean that everything he says is a lie. Do you seriously not understand this simnple false logic ? not complicated this one .. or both examples .. or are we still going to profess disingenuous oblivion.

You did attack Biden by calling him Genocide Joe without supporting explanation.

 

[metis]

I would just say "Trump is truth-challenged".

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I would just say "Trump is truth-challenged".

He's also ethically-challenged.

 

[metis]

He's also ethically-challenged.

I doubt he even knows what "ethically" even means.

 

[Sargonski]

You did attack Biden by calling him Genocide Joe without supporting explanation.

Thats correct -- but what is the point ? Did I claim Genocide Joe was an argument for something ? No ..

Let us refresh on what an argument is .. 1) Statement of Claim or Premise 2) some kind of supporting explanation showing that claim is true.

Was the premise of the conversation that Genocide Joe was guilty of Genocide .. No .. so what is your point .. would you like support for the claim that Genocide Joe the biggest international war criminal leading a nation at present ? this a deflection down a rabbit hole but I can humor such excursion if you like ?

or .. .perhaps you had a point relating to the commission of fallacy ?

 

[Sargonski]

Of course not everything Donald Trump says is not a lie. When he says my name is Donald Trump it is not a lie.

you need to make the effort to respond specifically to Trump's lies.

"Observed behavior" and stated beliefs of Trump/Maga beliefs are the up front evidence for radical extreme right dangerous religious agendas

Failure to respond to post #1420. What is the basis for calling Biden Genocide Joe?

Why do I need to respond to trumps lies ? What is the point .. beyond acknowledgement that Trump is a chronic fibber ?

now .. did you want to reciprocate by telling us about Biden Lies .. and the Basis for calling Biden "Genocide Joe" in part his efforts in the war in Yemen .. earning a "Complicity in Crimes against humanity " badge from the ICC .. but ... Syria is was his big Genocide Moment .. now continuing in fine fashion with major Crimes against humanity -- the Gaza Holocaust .. Joe can put a Holocaust Stripe right next to the Genocide star .. in between the war criminal and crimes against humanity badge.

Funny that support was needed for such a well established fact .. now .. lets hear some Biden lies that you figure you need to make the effort to respond to. .. out of the Blue

 

[shunyadragon]

Why do I need to respond to trumps lies ? What is the point .. beyond acknowledgement that Trump is a chronic fibber ?

now .. did you want to reciprocate by telling us about Biden Lies .. and the Basis for calling Biden "Genocide Joe" in part his efforts in the war in Yemen .. earning a "Complicity in Crimes against humanity " badge from the ICC .. but ... Syria is was his big Genocide Moment .. now continuing in fine fashion with major Crimes against humanity -- the Gaza Holocaust .. Joe can put a Holocaust Stripe right next to the Genocide star .. in between the war criminal and crimes against humanity badge.

Funny that support was needed for such a well established fact .. now .. lets hear some Biden lies that you figure you need to make the effort to respond to. .. out of the Blue

There are far worse things about Trump then his lies, which some are dangerous. His lies are downright lies and not just fibs. His most extreme problem is the alliance with extreme right wing evangelical Christianity with what amounts to goal of a Christian Theonomy.

This exemplified by his view of the rights of women: " . . . whether the women like it or not, I'm going to protect them."

It is nice you clarify that you actually do attack others, but extreme dishonesty concerning who is responsible for the tribal wars in the Middle East. Israel and the Arab countries are their responsibility, as are the tribal wars all over the Arab Peninsula

The history of Israel has been by their constitution and law that it is a Jewish only state and their goal over time is to remove all Muslims from what was Palestine. Jews only have full citizenship, and immigration is Jews only.

Trump removed the peace keeping trumps from Syria and they were replaced by Russians.

If anything the holocaust badge belongs to Trump, with his open support of Russia in the rape of Ukraine, and his extreme one sided support Israel . Trust view of support for Israel is radically pro Israel. He signed the treaty for Afghanistan and left Biden holding the bag. The treaty Trump signed opened the prisons, and gave the date for US pullout without conditions.

You also neglect the facts that Trump is a convicted felon, and convicted of widespread abuse of women.

 

[shunyadragon]

Thats correct -- but what is the point ? Did I claim Genocide Joe was an argument for something ? No ..

Let us refresh on what an argument is .. 1) Statement of Claim or Premise 2) some kind of supporting explanation showing that claim is true.

Was the premise of the conversation that Genocide Joe was guilty of Genocide .. No .. so what is your point .. would you like support for the claim that Genocide Joe the biggest international war criminal leading a nation at present ? this a deflection down a rabbit hole but I can humor such excursion if you like ?

or .. .perhaps you had a point relating to the commission of fallacy ?

Premise or no premise you brought the accusation to the table in this thread.

 

[Sargonski]

Look at all the words that aren't rebutting anything I wrote. So you concede all the points I asserted, yes?

What is it you wrote that you wish rebutted and name one point you asserted .. I hadn't noticed any but perhaps I missed something. We were discussing your Ad Hom and Non Sequitur fallacy ..and failure to put forth a valid argument . so do explain this point you are referring to ..

 

[shunyadragon]

This a specific documented lies and deliberate mismanagement by Trump that endangered people's lives in Puerto Rico.

Donald Trump’s many, many lies about Hurricane Helene, debunked

Rampant disinformation is getting in the way of disaster response.

www.vox.com

Trump's cruel lies concerning the suffering and disaster of Helene in NC for playing for political hay is extreme and well documented, and reflects Trumps intentional ignorance of facts for political advantage. It also reflects Trump history of dealing with disasters when he delayed FEMA aid in the Puerto Rico and threw rolls of paper towels into the audience in his talk to Puerto Ricans.

 

[F1fan]

What is it you wrote that you wish rebutted and name one point you asserted .. I hadn't noticed any but perhaps I missed something. We were discussing your Ad Hom and Non Sequitur fallacy ..and failure to put forth a valid argument . so do explain this point you are referring to ..

I made no logical errors. You failed to explain any. But who cares, it's just a deflection from what we are really discussing: how Trump is unhinged and mentally disturbed. The criminal candidate can't say anything without lying about something. Look at what @shunyadragon just posted. That is the issue. Trump seems to be nervous and lying about the border, the hurricane response, that he is leading is all polls, that Harris has a low IQ, and so on. The guy is corrupt and mentally unfit for office.

 

[Sargonski]

I made no logical errors. You failed to explain any. But who cares, it's just a deflection from what we are really discussing: how Trump is unhinged and mentally disturbed. The criminal candidate can't say anything without lying about something. Look at what @shunyadragon just posted. That is the issue. Trump seems to be nervous and lying about the border, the hurricane response, that he is leading is all polls, that Harris has a low IQ, and so on. The guy is corrupt and mentally unfit for office.

I understand that you feel Trump is mentaly disturbed .. and there is no logical error in that. Your logical error was your assumption that because Trump is disturbed .. and "Chronic Liar" .. that your claim that MAGA are without facts is true.

Sorry you see but, that be fallacy. Now if you want to discuss Trumps failings .. my arguments against the clown are far better than yours .. consiting of little mroe than playground name-calling -- pretending that the Blue Cancel Crew are not also chronic Liars .. the difference being that the woke joke is in power ... and they are legislating on the basis of these lies ... foreign policy on the basis of these lies .. engaging in a Holocaust on the basis of lies.

Thats the reality .. not the blissful fallacy.