Trump is losing the debate acting like a raving lunatic

[F1fan]

I gave you the citation The claims are all you MAGAs have, and you offer no evidence.

This is observed behavior.

That is why no rational mind takes these claims seriously.

This is true, rational minds on this forum are united in not taking MAGA claims seriously. Why? They are not fact based, and not reasoned.

It only makes MAGAs look stupid if they keep making these bogus claims." ..

Is there any case where a person making false claims makes them look smart?

Sorry F1 .. you did not hear the news .. Genocide Joe .. doesn't mean to confuse ... what part of supporting a holocaust did not ring true ? .. and who is the one confused y social norms and behavioral standards .. Anal Rape of detainees .. sometimes with electric Rods .. sometimes hang upside down with electrodes to sensitive place .. Ethnic Cleansing .. human sheild .. war crimes .. crimes against humanity the darke ages would be proud of .. .. real primative .. is how they view the Arabs .. and animals don't have rights ... like the Amalek said Bidi .. did you not hear .. Biblical verse quoting in your ear ..

Social norms F1 .. supporting a holocaust is not normal .. "are you confused by social norms and behavioral standards" ? and do you always project this way

Biden doesn't support the Israelis killing people in Gaza.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Biden doesn't support the Israelis killing people in Gaza.

Which, of course, makes his argument just strawman rambling. For those that do not know, ahem, a strawman fallacy is when one misrepresents the actions of another.

 

[Sargonski]

This is observed behavior.

This is true, rational minds on this forum are united in not taking MAGA claims seriously. Why? They are not fact based, and not reasoned.

Is there any case where a person making false claims makes them look smart?

Biden doesn't support the Israelis killing people in Gaza.

You are failing to understand your false logic (fallacy).

"This is Observed Behavior" ... Nose Picking. Observing this behavior does not show the claim of the nose picker true or false..

Crying out " Liar Liar" --- does not prove that some Maga claim is true or false.

On the contrary .. the idea that all the claims of every individual wearing a MAGA Hat are not fact based nor reasoned .. is a ridiculous generalization falsehood on steroids. .. akin to screaming at the sky . "Everything is against me .. Everything is against me" .. while riding a bicycle with wind at back.

"is there any case where a person making false claims makes them look smart" --- what a ridiculous question given your false claims .. like the claim that Biden has not supported the Israeli's killing people in Gaza .. preposterous false nonsense on steroids .. Genocide Joe was declared guilty of complicity in war crimes - crimes against humanity for our part in Yemen which was nothing compared to our direct infolvement in the Gaza Holocaust .. sending 2000 lb bombs to kill innocent civilians .. after Israel has been found guilty of crimes against humanity x 10.

Your whole post is backwards .. false logic in the front abject falsehood .. the reverse of what is true in the back.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are failing to understand your false logic (fallacy).

"This is Observed Behavior" ... Nose Picking. Observing this behavior does not show the claim of the nose picker true or false..

Crying out " Liar Liar" --- does not prove that some Maga claim is true or false.

On the contrary .. the idea that all the claims of every individual wearing a MAGA Hat are not fact based nor reasoned .. is a ridiculous generalization falsehood on steroids. .. akin to screaming at the sky . "Everything is against me .. Everything is against me" .. while riding a bicycle with wind at back.

"is there any case where a person making false claims makes them look smart" --- what a ridiculous question given your false claims .. like the claim that Biden has not supported the Israeli's killing people in Gaza .. preposterous false nonsense on steroids .. Genocide Joe was declared guilty of complicity in war crimes - crimes against humanity for our part in Yemen which was nothing compared to our direct infolvement in the Gaza Holocaust .. sending 2000 lb bombs to kill innocent civilians .. after Israel has been found guilty of crimes against humanity x 10.

Your whole post is backwards .. false logic in the front abject falsehood .. the reverse of what is true in the back.

Bad example. It looks like you finally looked up what an ad hominem fallacy is. Yes, nose picking would be unrelated to the argument. His claims were not.

Also he was explaining why no one takes MAGAs seriously. Those reasons all apply.

 

[shunyadragon]

You are failing to understand your false logic (fallacy).

"This is Observed Behavior" ... Nose Picking. Observing this behavior does not show the claim of the nose picker true or false..

Crying out " Liar Liar" --- does not prove that some Maga claim is true or false.

On the contrary .. the idea that all the claims of every individual wearing a MAGA Hat are not fact based nor reasoned .. is a ridiculous generalization falsehood on steroids. .. akin to screaming at the sky . "Everything is against me .. Everything is against me" .. while riding a bicycle with wind at back.

"is there any case where a person making false claims makes them look smart" --- what a ridiculous question given your false claims .. like the claim that Biden has not supported the Israeli's killing people in Gaza .. preposterous false nonsense on steroids .. Genocide Joe was declared guilty of complicity in war crimes - crimes against humanity for our part in Yemen which was nothing compared to our direct infolvement in the Gaza Holocaust .. sending 2000 lb bombs to kill innocent civilians .. after Israel has been found guilty of crimes against humanity x 10.

Your whole post is backwards .. false logic in the front abject falsehood .. the reverse of what is true in the back.

"Observed behavior" and stated beliefs of Trump/Maga beliefs are the up front evidence for radical extreme right dangerous religious agendas including the majority of Republicans believing in QAnon conspiracies.

Liar, liar or true or false logic is superficial and meaningless.

 

[F1fan]

You are failing to understand your false logic (fallacy).

Look at you failing to identity any actual fallacy. It's as if you don't know what it means.

"This is Observed Behavior" ... Nose Picking. Observing this behavior does not show the claim of the nose picker true or false..

Look at you failing to explain how it's false. Of course we all observe MAGAs making false claims.

Crying out " Liar Liar" --- does not prove that some Maga claim is true or false.

The dilemma about lying is that it can often be easily shown. This is why telling the truth is a better approach. MAGAs are notoriously parroting Trump's lies. And they either don't understand that they do this as blind followers, or they are deliberately lying.

On the contrary .. the idea that all the claims of every individual wearing a MAGA Hat are not fact based nor reasoned .. is a ridiculous generalization falsehood on steroids. .. akin to screaming at the sky . "Everything is against me .. Everything is against me" .. while riding a bicycle with wind at back.

Anyone proud to be MAGA tends to have weak ethics, poor media selection, heavy biases, and no capacity to reason via evidence. The anger and violence alone poses a threat to national security. Jan 6 is not so long ago that we have forgotten what caused it.

"is there any case where a person making false claims makes them look smart" --- what a ridiculous question given your false claims .. like the claim that Biden has not supported the Israeli's killing people in Gaza .. preposterous false nonsense on steroids .. Genocide Joe was declared guilty of complicity in war crimes - crimes against humanity for our part in Yemen which was nothing compared to our direct infolvement in the Gaza Holocaust .. sending 2000 lb bombs to kill innocent civilians .. after Israel has been found guilty of crimes against humanity x 10.

False. The USA has historic agreements with Israel to supply them with weapons so they can defend themselves. Biden has even held back certain weapons that Israel was using against Gaza. Netanyahu refused to agree not to use US made weapons against Gaza and that created a serious diplomatic rift. Somehow you have ignored this, or just watch right wing disinformation that won't inform you of what's really going on in the world. That's your problem.

Right wing disinformation has tried to pin the use of American weapons on Gaza onto Biden, even though he opposes Israel's criminal acts against citizens. Netanyahu is a far right conservative, and he is like many others who don't care about human rights. Trump doesn't care about human rights either as we all discovered when he caged migrants for multiple days without adequate food, water, shelter, and sanitation. And do I need to bring up the human trafficking that the Trump administration did? Remember how they took children from migrants and gave them to unrelated people? Trump will give Netanyahu any weapons he wants to kill people in Gaza. Why? Because Gaza will become land available for redevelopment and Trump may believe he can get in on the action.

Your whole post is backwards .. false logic in the front abject falsehood .. the reverse of what is true in the back.

Yet you failed to prove this claim.

 

[Sargonski]

Bad example. It looks like you finally looked up what an ad hominem fallacy is. Yes, nose picking would be unrelated to the argument. His claims were not.

Also he was explaining why no one takes MAGAs seriously. Those reasons all apply.

I didn't need to look up the definition .. but looks like you could use some help.. .. crying out Liar Liar Liar .. does not show the claim of this person a lie .. False Logic - Logical Fallacy .. of the Ad Hom variety.

Explaining why "No one" takes MAGA seriously .. does not make the claim on the table true or false .. although your claim "No one takes MAGA seriously" is obviously false and ridiculous nonsense.

 

[Sargonski]

"Observed behavior" and stated beliefs of Trump/Maga beliefs are the up front evidence for radical extreme right dangerous religious agendas including the majority of Republicans believing in QAnon conspiracies.

Liar, liar or true or false logic is superficial and meaningless.

What do QAnon conspiracies have to do with the truth or falsehood of a claim having nothing to do with QAnon ? and how difficult is it to understand that name calling is not an argument.

Do you know what an argument is ?

 

[Sargonski]

Look at you failing to identity any actual fallacy. It's as if you don't know what it means.

Look at you failing to explain how it's false. Of course we all observe MAGAs making false claims.

Yet you failed to prove this claim.

Sorry F1 .. Crying out "Liar Liar" ... does not prove that the claim of the accused liar is false. False Logic Proven

 

[Subduction Zone]

I didn't need to look up the definition .. but looks like you could use some help.. .. crying out Liar Liar Liar .. does not show the claim of this person a lie .. False Logic - Logical Fallacy .. of the Ad Hom variety.

Explaining why "No one" takes MAGA seriously .. does not make the claim on the table true or false .. although your claim "No one takes MAGA seriously" is obviously false and ridiculous nonsense.

You should since your attack was based upon a false understanding. And your later post indicates that you did look it up since you changed your argument a bit.

But I did promise a quote and a source as part of the explanation of how you got it wrong:

Ad Hominem

"This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument. "

I would say that all of his "attacks" were relevant to the matter at hand. He was explaining why no rational person takes MAGA people seriously and all of his observations were relevant to that. You are trying to continue to change the topic, which in its own way is a bit of a strawman fallacy that you are using. The topic was not whether they were right or wrong, it was whether any rational person would give them any credence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sorry F1 .. Crying out "Liar Liar" ... does not prove that the claim of the accused liar is false. False Logic Proven

And once again, this is a strawman fallacy on your part.

 

[F1fan]

Sorry F1 .. Crying out "Liar Liar" ... does not prove that the claim of the accused liar is false.

Right, it’s the telling lies that’s the evidence of lying. Trump has a chronic problem lying.

False Logic Proven

You aren’t using logic.

And you failed to rebut anything I wrote.

 

[Sargonski]

You should since your attack was based upon a false understanding. And your later post indicates that you did look it up since you changed your argument a bit.

But I did promise a quote and a source as part of the explanation of how you got it wrong:

Ad Hominem

"This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument. "

I would say that all of his "attacks" were relevant to the matter at hand. He was explaining why no rational person takes MAGA people seriously and all of his observations were relevant to that. You are trying to continue to change the topic, which in its own way is a bit of a strawman fallacy that you are using. The topic was not whether they were right or wrong, it was whether any rational person would give them any credence.

I did not attack anything .. and what was this false understanding ? and it matters not if the attack was relevant to the matter at hand .. the attack did not show that the premise was true .. and thus ... is logical fallacy. of the Ad Hom variety.

Once again .. Crying out Maga Maga .. Liar Liar .. does not show that the claims of Maga are lies. to claim that it does .. as you hae done .. is false logic.. failed logic .. logical fallacy

and whats worse .. "This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument. The fallacious attack can also be direct to membership in a group or institution."

is exactly what I told you it was .. and you now falsely claim that the above definition shows I got it wrong .. I got it 100% correct .. Dorp ??

Right, it’s the telling lies that’s the evidence of lying. Trump has a chronic problem lying.


You aren’t using logic.

And you failed to rebut anything I wrote.

I did not fail to rebut your fallacious nonsense .. Calling out "Maga Maga - liar liar" .. does not show that any of the Maga claims are false .. nor "fact-less" .. that is the logic you are not using .. how is it that you do not undertand that Calling someone a name .. does not show that any of their claims are true .. or false .. regardless of how correct the name is .. which you also said false things .. doubling the ridiculousness of your failed attempt at putting forth a valid argument .. never mind using logic.

the fact that Trump has a chronic problem of lying .. does not mean that everything he says is a lie. Do you seriously not understand this simnple false logic ? not complicated this one .. or both examples .. or are we still going to profess disingenuous oblivion.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I did not attack anything .. and what was this false understanding ? and it matters not if the attack was relevant to the matter at hand .. the attack did not show that the premise was true .. and thus ... is logical fallacy. of the Ad Hom variety.

I would say that claiming that there was an Ad hominem fallacy used when that never happened qualifies as an attack.

Once again .. Crying out Maga Maga .. Liar Liar .. does not show that the claims of Maga are lies. to claim that it does .. as you hae done .. is false logic.. failed logic .. logical fallacy

And you are back to a strawman fallacy. No one was arguing that.

and whats worse .. "This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument. The fallacious attack can also be direct to membership in a group or institution."

is exactly what I told you it was .. and you now falsely claim that the above definition shows I got it wrong .. I got it 100% correct .. Dorp ??

No, his observations applied to his argument. You just keep trying to change it.

I did not fail to rebut your fallacious nonsense .. Calling out "Maga Maga - liar liar" .. does not show that any of the Maga claims are false .. nor "fact-less" .. that is the logic you are not using .. how is it that you do not undertand that Calling someone a name .. does not show that any of their claims are true .. or false .. regardless of how correct the name is .. which you also said false things .. doubling the ridiculousness of your failed attempt at putting forth a valid argument .. never mind using logic.

Yes you did and it was rather hilarious. You got very angry with me when it was pointed out how you are wrong.

the fact that Trump has a chronic problem of lying .. does not mean that everything he says is a lie. Do you seriously not understand this simnple false logic ? not complicated this one .. or both examples .. or are we still going to profess disingenuous oblivion.

And again, back to the strawman argument. This is getting rather boring.

 

[Sargonski]

And once again, this is a strawman fallacy on your part.

No it isn't .. what words were attributed to F1 that he did not speak ? and if you make an accusation .. back up your freaken claim .. What a joke of a post.

Right, it’s the telling lies that’s the evidence of lying. Trump has a chronic problem lying.


You aren’t using logic.

And you failed to rebut anything I wrote.

Tis you lacking the logic .. What part of Trump having a lying problem does not mean everything Trump says is a lie .. are you not getting ? This is logical fallacy .. ( A does not follow from B) .. non sequitur fallacy .. A person Telling lies in the past does not .. in any way shap or form .. show or prove that this person's current claim is a lie .. your logic is false.

"you arn't using logic" -- Yes .. I am .. it is that you lack understanding of what logic is ... basic logic . it is not like this is high level complicated stuff ... any grade 9 student should be able to handle .. and those who did not make it to grade 9 but have some life experience. So .. given the ability to type is clear .. .. I can only assume disingenuous oblivion.

 

[metis]

One can almost always tell when Trump lies when they see his lips move.

 

[Sargonski]

And again, back to the strawman argument. This is getting rather boring.

I agree this is getting rather mindless these continued false accusations of strawman fallacy ..

"the fact that Trump has a chronic problem of lying .. does not mean that everything he says is a lie. Do you seriously not understand this simnple false logic ? not complicated this one .. or both examples .. or are we still going to profess disingenuous oblivion."

Which part did poster not say ? and what part of back up your assertion .. is having trouble sinking in ?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I agree this is getting rather mindless these continued false accusations of strawman fallacy ..

"the fact that Trump has a chronic problem of lying .. does not mean that everything he says is a lie. Do you seriously not understand this simnple false logic ? not complicated this one .. or both examples .. or are we still going to profess disingenuous oblivion."

Which part did poster not say ? and what part of back up your assertion .. is having trouble sinking in ?

Oh my, you do not listen very well. I explained to you several times how you were using a strawman fallacy. If you did not understand it you should have asked. Do you even know what a strawman fallacy is? When you accuse people of it earlier there was no strawman that we could see and you never defended that claim.

By the way, you are still trying to change the argument. That is why what you are doing is a strawman. Why can't you simply admit that you could not follow the conversation?

 

[Sargonski]

Oh my, you do not listen very well. I explained to you several times how you were using a strawman fallacy. If you did not understand it you should have asked. Do you even know what a strawman fallacy is? When you accuse people of it earlier there was no strawman that we could see and you never defended that claim.

By the way, you are still trying to change the argument. That is why what you are doing is a strawman. Why can't you simply admit that you could not follow the conversation?

Thats a whole heap of trolling there Sub .. you have yet to say what words were put in the other's mouth .. but you know this .. because there are none. Just you crying out Strawman Strawman to the sky because of crucified position.

What words from below did F1 not speak nor infer .. "the fact that Trump has a chronic problem of lying .. does not mean that everything he says is a lie"

Which are the words above did F1 not speak ?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Thats a whole heap of trolling there Sub .. you have yet to say what words were put in the other's mouth .. but you know this .. because there are none. Just you crying out Strawman Strawman to the sky because of crucified position.

What words from below did F1 not speak nor infer .. "the fact that Trump has a chronic problem of lying .. does not mean that everything he says is a lie"

Which are the words above did F1 not speak ?

Dude, I never said that F1 did not use those words. You are trying to change the argument that he made. Sorry, with all of your false claims about others until you change your attitude you will not get any more of an explanation than that. I never denied that F1 said what you quoted. Go back and see if I ever denied it. That should have been a big clue that you were missing something.