Trump is losing the debate acting like a raving lunatic

[F1fan]

I understand that you feel Trump is mentaly disturbed ..

There's no feelings involved. Anyone observing Trump can see he is having problems with forming sentences and coherent thoughts. He even has trouble with words which is a sign of dementia. And of course he lies which is a serious character flaw. Why does he even lie about things he doesn't have to lie about? It's a sickness.

and there is no logical error in that. Your logical error was your assumption that because Trump is disturbed .. and "Chronic Liar" .. that your claim that MAGA are without facts is true.

Sorry, any rational mind can recognize that Trump is not stable. Do you think his behavior is normal and acceptable?

Sorry you see but, that be fallacy. Now if you want to discuss Trumps failings .. my arguments against the clown are far better than yours .. consiting of little mroe than playground name-calling -- pretending that the Blue Cancel Crew are not also chronic Liars .. the difference being that the woke joke is in power ... and they are legislating on the basis of these lies ... foreign policy on the basis of these lies .. engaging in a Holocaust on the basis of lies.

Thats the reality .. not the blissful fallacy.

I'm not seeing any coherent argument here.

 

[Sargonski]

There's no feelings involved. Anyone observing Trump can see he is having problems with forming sentences and coherent thoughts. He even has trouble with words which is a sign of dementia. And of course he lies which is a serious character flaw. Why does he even lie about things he doesn't have to lie about? It's a sickness.

Sorry, any rational mind can recognize that Trump is not stable. Do you think his behavior is normal and acceptable?

I'm not seeing any coherent argument here.

Good that you recognize your previous fallacy .. however you have committed yet another fallacy (strawman) ... pretending I had not already agreed that Trump is not stable .. and in fact told you that my arguments against Trump are far bettor than yours. So no wonder you are not seeing coherent argument as what you presented is all fantasy , nonsense name calling and strawman fallacy..

The responsibility for the Genocide Joe's Holocaust is not Trump .. because Trump is not the President. There is your argument ... did you not recognize what one looks like ?

So what ever horrible things Trump is capable of .. he currently does not have the power to act. The one who does have the power to act is the one commiting the atrocity ... actually doing horrible things is not the Terrible Trump.

Do you understand ? a vote for Genocide Joe .. / Kammy Kam .. is a vote for the Holocaust .. like the Irish delegation to the UN said "The Hague is too Good for Bibi" .. Genocide Joe not far behind.

Trump is not that level of monstrocity .. not even close during his 4 year tenure. There were no war crimes on his watch - of any significance" that there might be dwarfed by Genocide Joe .. who earned that nick .. and those crimes against humanity stripes .

 

[F1fan]

Good that you recognize your previous fallacy ..

I never claimed any such thing.

however you have committed yet another fallacy (strawman) ... pretending I had not already agreed that Trump is not stable ..

No, I said that rational minds will recognize Trump as unstable, and nowhere did I say you had a rational mind.

and in fact told you that my arguments against Trump are far bettor than yours.

It's not a fact. Trump disqualifies himself with his actions and words. It's an observation that sane minds acknowledge.

So no wonder you are not seeing coherent argument as what you presented is all fantasy , nonsense name calling and strawman fallacy..

I'm not seeing "coherent argument" because there is none.

 

[Sargonski]

Premise or no premise you brought the accusation to the table in this thread.

I am not the one who put a fallacy onto the table .. " because Trump Bad , Claim X is true" .. I merely pointed out that the claim was false and explained why.

What is the difficulty in understanding that name calling, even if correct, is not a valid argument for anything ? .. I was not the one running around name calling and pretending was an argument .. for that you need to look deeper

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am not the one who put a fallacy onto the table .. " because Trump Bad , Claim X is true" .. I merely pointed out that the claim was false and explained why.

What is the difficulty in understanding that name calling, even if correct, is not a valid argument for anything ? .. I was not the one running around name calling and pretending was an argument .. for that you need to look deeper

Actually that is all that you have done. You keep forgetting that trying to change your opponent's argument is employing a strawman fallacy.

 

[Sargonski]

No, I said that rational minds will recognize Trump as unstable, and nowhere did I say you had a rational mind.

You implied I did not recognize Trump as unstable and thus had an irrational mind. Why do you not understand your own post ?

you said - "Sorry, any rational mind can recognize that Trump is not stable"

In response to 'Your logical error was your assumption that because Trump is disturbed .. and "Chronic Liar" .. that your claim that MAGA are without facts is true"

I never claimed any such thing.

Yes .. you did in response to a claim in relation to illegal immigration. "The claims are all you MAGAs have, and you offer no evidence. That is why no rational mind takes these claims seriously. It only makes MAGAs look stupid if they keep making these bogus claims"

You begin with an assumed premise fallacy .. and name calling "All you Maga have no evidence" ...
This is followed with the exclaimation that the claims are Bogus.

This is fallacy stacked on top of fallacy ..

1) you do not know that the poster is MAGA - False - assumed premise fallacy
2) it is not true that MAGA have no evidence - False .. just a falsehood and assumed premise fallacy
3) the claim that no evidence makes a claim false -- Is False .. Non Sequitur Fallacy
4) the claim that the poster is not of rational mind for taking claims about immigrants seriously is false -- just name calling on the basis of a false assumption based on falsehood .. Not all of the claims about immigrants are false.

5) "It only makes MAGA Look stupid if the keep making these Bogus claims" -- Who is the one making bogus claims here ? I did not see the "MAGA" Poster you are attacking making bogus claims. I did however find false claims and false logic in your post as noted above.

 

[PureX]

What aspects of culture are being "cancelled" by these horrible liberal democrats? Does anyone know?

 

[shunyadragon]

I am not the one who put a fallacy onto the table .. " because Trump Bad , Claim X is true" .. I merely pointed out that the claim was false and explained why.

Documented claims of Trump's lies and 'raving lunatic behavior do not represent fallacies.

I am demonstrating and documenting Trump's insanity and incompetence, as per the subject of the thread. You have tried despertely to minimize Trump's lies as fibs, but failed to aaddress and respond to documentation that Trump's lies are actually tragic like in terms of hurricane Helene.

What is the difficulty in understanding that name calling, even if correct, is not a valid argument for anything ? .. I was not the one running around name calling and pretending was an argument .. for that you need to look deeper

Failure to address your dishonest egregious accusations of calling Biden "Genocide Joe." Your only response ws extreme biased flaming, distortion of facts of the conflicts in the Middle East.

The claims are not bogus. They are well documented, Including Trump's history of hedonist debauchery, and his criminal record,

 

[Pogo]

What aspects of culture are being "cancelled" by these horrible liberal democrats? Does anyone know?

Xenophobia, isolationism, tribalism, disregard for the environment, etc.

 

[F1fan]

You implied I did not recognize Trump as unstable and thus had an irrational mind. Why do you not understand your own post ?

Your comments ignore what others see. This is a MAGA blindness.

But of course you MAGAs see it, you just ignore it and pretend it isn't important. It's very important to take Trump's mental instability seriously, and also that he is a criminal who has a chronic problem lying.

It's up to you to demonstrate your thinking is sound, and you fail in most every post. You keep brining up fallacies but as long as you ignore facts and reality it's meaningless. You don't really seem to understand them anyway.

This weekend Trump stood behind bullet proof glass at a rally and he said if anyone wanted to shoot at him they would have to shoot through the fake press. MAGAs laugh. It's not funny. This came just after he talkled about Liz Cheney being shot and facing guns pointed at her face. What is wrong with this guy?

So here he is, he has no message for the voters. He lies about the border and the economy, and doesn't explain what he would do to improve either.

 

[Pogo]

Xenophobia, isolationism, tribalism, disregard for the environment, etc.

Oh, they probably even want to cancel our measurement systems, and go to that crazy French system all those egg headed scientists use.
They have already taken over cars, I can't even take these new ones apart, the bolt heads keep rounding off. Erg

 

[PureX]

Xenophobia, isolationism, tribalism, disregard for the environment, etc.

Trump seems to be preaching that stuff constantly, and the democrats have not "cancelled" him. Turns out the only people trying to cancel Trump are the gun nutjobs that don't even know why they're doing it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your comments ignore what others see. This is a MAGA blindness.

But of course you MAGAs see it, you just ignore it and pretend it isn't important. It's very important to take Trump's mental instability seriously, and also that he is a criminal who has a chronic problem lying.

It's up to you to demonstrate your thinking is sound, and you fail in most every post. You keep brining up fallacies but as long as you ignore facts and reality it's meaningless. You don't really seem to understand them anyway.

This weekend Trump stood behind bullet proof glass at a rally and he said if anyone wanted to shoot at him they would have to shoot through the fake press. MAGAs laugh. It's not funny. This came just after he talkled about Liz Cheney being shot and facing guns pointed at her face. What is wrong with this guy?

So here he is, he has no message for the voters. He lies about the border and the economy, and doesn't explain what he would do to improve either.

I have noticed that MAGAs are for al practical purposes "creationists". One can show them how Trump is a liar and incompetent.. When they deny that one can offer to go over the basics of the economy or taxation or any other concept that they clearly can't understand and support Trump. But they won't do that. They will only continue to demonstrate those ideas are beyond their understanding. And even worse is their inability to understand logical fallacies. Even those who understand these in non political areas will defend one false logical fallacy by relying on another. Or even worse at times using just the names as magic incantations.

They tend to suffer from extreme cognitive dissonance.

 

[Sargonski]

Documented claims of Trump's lies and 'raving lunatic behavior do not represent fallacies.

I did not say they did ?! = strawman fallacy on your part for pretending otherwise .. now go learn what a fallacy is .... and then go figure out what the fallacy was.

 

[shunyadragon]

I did not say they did ?! = strawman fallacy on your part for pretending otherwise .. now go learn what a fallacy is .... and then go figure out what the fallacy was.

Yes, strawman fallacy does not apply, It is simply the case you are failing to respond to the basic issues and problems concerning Trump as oer the subject of the thread.

You have not stated a coherent position s per the topic of the thread, just an accusation of "Genocide Joe" which you cannot support. Remember you made a false statement that you did not attack anyone.

I have presented my case and simply failed to respond.

 

[Sargonski]

Your comments ignore what others see. This is a MAGA blindness.

But of course you MAGAs see it, you just ignore it and pretend it isn't important. It's very important to take Trump's mental instability seriously, and also that he is a criminal who has a chronic problem lying.

It's up to you to demonstrate your thinking is sound, and you fail in most every post. You keep brining up fallacies but as long as you ignore facts and reality it's meaningless. You don't really seem to understand them anyway.

This weekend Trump stood behind bullet proof glass at a rally and he said if anyone wanted to shoot at him they would have to shoot through the fake press. MAGAs laugh. It's not funny. This came just after he talkled about Liz Cheney being shot and facing guns pointed at her face. What is wrong with this guy?

So here he is, he has no message for the voters. He lies about the border and the economy, and doesn't explain what he would do to improve either.

I have not ignored what others see .. and in fact it is you who ignores what you see .. as you were told that my arguments against Trump are far better than yours.

I readily agree that Donald is a chronic liar ---you continuing to claim otherwise is not a "demonstration that your thinking is sound" - this is Strawman fallacy.

you then cry out that I have failed in every post .. in another desperate strawman fallacy .. akin to crying out to the sky .. but fail to provide even one example of failure .. and then go on to rage on about "Bad Trump, Bad Trump Bad Trump".

OK - the summation of your post is "Bad Trump" .. and I do understand that Trump is a Chronic Liar .. but, Biden is a Holocaust deniar ... in addition to being a liar .. and human garbage on the basis of these lies .. "Human Garbage level lies" .. as opposed to the Chronic Lies of Trump ..

I told you my arguments against Trump are far better than yours .. yours arguments against him are quite poor and ineffectual and full of fallacy and false logic .. and thus don't do the cause much good..

 

[Sargonski]

Yes, strawman fallacy does not apply, It is simply the case you are failing to respond to the basic issues and problems concerning Trump as oer the subject of the thread.

You have not stated a coherent position s per the topic of the thread, just an accusation of "Genocide Joe" which you cannot support. Remember you made a false statement that you did not attack anyone.

I have presented my case and simply failed to respond.

I must of missed it .. Strawman fallacy does not apply to what ? "Documented claims of Trump's lies and 'raving lunatic behavior do not represent fallacies." you said and you are correct but that was not what was claimed as fallacy. It was crying out that Trump is a Chronic Liar ..as support for the claim that Trump/Maga has lied about imigration that was the fallacy .. Ad Hom Fallacy .. my bad for calling this particular fallacy strawman. with so many fallacies flying around it gets confusing

 

[shunyadragon]

I must of missed it .. Strawman fallacy does not apply to what ? "Documented claims of Trump's lies and 'raving lunatic behavior do not represent fallacies." you said and you are correct but that was not what was claimed as fallacy. It was crying out that Trump is a Chronic Liar ..as support for the claim that Trump/Maga has lied about imigration that was the fallacy .. Ad Hom Fallacy .. my bad for calling this particular fallacy strawman. with so many fallacies flying around it gets confusing

I did not claim Trump lied about immigration, There is more than one argument here and you have failed to respond coherently to my posts and my arguments concerning Trump and MAGA Republican lies and extreme views. You failed to respond coherently to your accusation of "Genocide Joe," which I detailed the problem with this accusation.

The facts concerning Israel and the Middle East cannot be resolved by any administration now and in the past. Trump could nt resolve it. Ii is a fact that Israel and Muslims have rejected any negotiation efforts now and in the past. Israel is a Jews only State, and considers the future removal of all Muslims from Palestine and will not negotiate any other alternative. It is a tribal war thousands of years old even between the various Muslims factions it is tribal war only they can resolve.

The violence against Palestinians is the responsibility of the Jews of Isreal not any US administration.

US sounds alarm over latest incidents of settler violence in West Bank

* * *

www.timesofisrael.com

Trump advocates a harder pro=Israel line in like with the Republican Party, What did Trump do to resolve the conflict?

Yes, Trump is a "Raving Lunatic."

 

[Sargonski]

I did not claim Trump lied about immigration,

Yes, Trump is a "Raving Lunatic."

I did not say you claimed Trump lied about Immigration so why are you pretending I did - Strawman Fallacy

"Raving Lunatic" - Name calling is not an argument -- regardless of whether or not the names called are true

 

[Subduction Zone]

I must of missed it .. Strawman fallacy does not apply to what ? "Documented claims of Trump's lies and 'raving lunatic behavior do not represent fallacies." you said and you are correct but that was not what was claimed as fallacy. It was crying out that Trump is a Chronic Liar ..as support for the claim that Trump/Maga has lied about imigration that was the fallacy .. Ad Hom Fallacy .. my bad for calling this particular fallacy strawman. with so many fallacies flying around it gets confusing

No, that was never the claim either. Please quote me where anyone used that reasoning.


Here is the deal, you need to show that someone actually argued what you are claiming that they argued. You seem to be pulling claims about others out of nowhere. That is why the only fallacies that I have seen here are your strawman fallacies.