Trump is running on a joke. Are people really going to vote for him?

[Thief]

So, why is nationalistic racism better than political correctness? I am not saying this to insult, or anything of the sort. I have just been watching Trump with horrified fascination.

The idea of an outsider (to the establishment at least) is very appealing to me, so I can understand the appeal of that idea.
However, I am very much against wealth being a requirement to run for office. This, coupled with the fact that I have no more trust for big business that I do for government entities, and my pro-egalitarian upbringing means that Trump embodies all that I despise.

and for years....the politically correct wash over issue and instigate bad policy.

do you know what azodicarbonimide is?
check your bread
it's gras.
but the same branch of authority has forbidden your doctor to speak about b17

gov needs to back off
business needs a stronger hand at the helm

 

[Baladas]

and for years....the politically correct wash over issue and instigate bad policy.

do you know what azodicarbonimide is?
check your bread
it's gras.
but the same branch of authority has forbidden your doctor to speak about b17

gov needs to back off
business needs a stronger hand at the helm

That doesn't seem to have a whole lot to do with Trump running for office.
For what it's worth, I agree that government should ideally be restructured, and that our government is corrupt as hell.
In my eyes, much of this corruption is rooted in wealthy industries who pay the government to turn a blind eye.

Just saying that government should back off is very broad.
The government is made up of so many smaller entities
I am a Left-Libertarian at heart, and so I do value the idea of decentralizing the government wherever possible, but I really don't think that that's what the issue is regarding the azodicarbonimide being used in food.

It seems to me to have a lot more to do with who is paying them to accept the idea without much question.
For example, in the EU and Australia it is not approved for use in food.
This kind of thing is typically done in order to save money, which seems to be the most cherished value of certain industry leaders.

 

[LuisDantas]

As a half-Asian/half-White guy with a college degree, you must think I'm an exception to the rule as a Trump supporter. The funny thing is that an unusually large number of Trump supporters I've encountered are educated, peaceful, and--shock alert--not racist.

Which brings the question: why vote for Trump at all?

It is certainly not due to his political experience. If anything, he is running on a plataform that emphasizes that he is not a "true", "mainstream" politician.

It is not because he has a good, convincing set of proposals either. Then again, the same could be said of the GOP as a whole.

Far as I can tell, he does however know how to appeal to a considerable segment of the voting public, in no small measure because he taps into a tiredness of traditional political stances and also on the fearmongering that has become the norm.

Like most GOP runners in the last few decades, Trump promises a simpler, easier world with more room for ego and less difficult decisions and grudging concessions to be made.

In that sense, he is not running on a joke. He is a decades-nurtured punchline.

Teflon Don is gonna win, so all the insults are futile.

He might well win, which means that the insults have indeed been futile, as have all other attempts at regaining sanity.

Heck, that he made it into the final dozen or so of Republican candidates is proof enough of that futility.

 

[LuisDantas]

I saw a man in a Vote for Trump hat and I thought it wise not to ask him if it was a joke.

I actually had to ask a co-worker if he meant it when he began to talk about voting for Bolsonaro (think Trump on a budget, explicitly homophobic, and in Brazil).

It never quite dawned on me until then that I could personally know anyone willing to vote on such people.

 

[LuisDantas]

Now that you mention it.......his being a non-lawyer who isn't a career politician is appealing.
It's not enuf to make me want to vote for him, but it's a positive.

It is all-out insane that people value and trust in lawyers at all. I wonder if this current moment in history could be an early, mishappen attempt at compensating for the utter insanity of actually voting on lawyers for decision-making posts as a matter of course.

 

[Revoltingest]

It is all-out insane that people value and trust in lawyers at all. I wonder if this current moment in history could be an early, mishappen attempt at compensating for the utter insanity of actually voting on lawyers for decision-making posts as a matter of course.

Lawyers have their uses.
I just don't want so many of them running the show.
They've badly corrupted the justice system.

 

[LuisDantas]

Lawyers have their uses.

Yeah... it is even conceivable that they might be worth recognition as a paid activity.

But I very much doubt it.

From what I have seen, they are essentially third-party hired arguers. People who are literally rewarded for defending causes not their own. Worse still, they are expected to be shielded from most or all of the ethical consequences of those causes and their promotion of same.

The end result is that the main use of lawyers, at least arguably their whole reason for being, is corrupting the moral fiber of a society in order to obtain personal, immediate advantages of some kind.

It is an immoral, destructive use. But it is an use.

I just don't want so many of them running the show.
They've badly corrupted the justice system.

Point in case.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yeah... it is even conceivable that they might be worth recognition as a paid activity.

But I very much doubt it.

From what I have seen, they are essentially third-party hired arguers. People who are literally rewarded for defending causes not their own. Worse still, they are expected to be shielded from most or all of the ethical consequences of those causes and their promotion of same.

The end result is that the main use of lawyers, at least arguably their whole reason for being, is corrupting the moral fiber of a society in order to obtain personal, immediate advantages of some kind.

It is an immoral, destructive use. But it is an use.



Point in case.

As long as there is a legal system, lawyers are needed.
It is truly amazing how important it is to be represented in court by someone qualified, smart, & independent.
I've been there & done that.
Even after making all my desired improvement in the system, we still need lawyers.
They can also help keep government/cops/prosecutors from running roughshod over our rights.

Gawd, I feel dirty admitting that.
But I do know a few decent ones.
As one says.....
"It's the 99 out of 100 lawyers who give our profession a bad name."

 

[LuisDantas]

Do you expect or hope that those improvements would somehow be compatible with the continued existence of a paid category of lawyers?

 

[Revoltingest]

Do you expect or hope that those improvements would somehow be compatible with the continued existence of a paid category of lawyers?

Yes, but we shouldn't need so many because I'd disincentivize filing lame suits.
I've been in some big (for me) suits, & I've really benefited from having skilled people represent me.
Had I done it myself, I'd have mucked it all up.

 

[George-ananda]

Are people really going to vote for him?

Hasn't it already happened in great numbers??

 

[LuisDantas]

Yes, but we shouldn't need so many because I'd disincentivize filing lame suits.
I've been in some big (for me) suits, & I've really benefited from having skilled people represent me.
Had I done it myself, I'd have mucked it all up.

Much as I approve of the goals and even the sentiments, I see a major hurdle in there.

Self-interest will of course make people perceive paid lawyers as attractive, even necessary. And such third-partying will keep divorcing people's arguments from what they truly believe.

And of course, lawyers in a society that accepts the profession as a legitimate source of income will keep accepting to be paid and perceived legitimate workers.

Give that closed loop enough time and people will again come to ever increasingly both distrust and rely on paid third parties to represent their interests towards law enforcement.

Which, it seems to me, all but ensures that they will find strong, continuous incentive both to enter politics and to lie all the time as a matter of course.

 

[Revoltingest]

Much as I approve of the goals and even the sentiments, I see a major hurdle in there.

Self-interest will of course make people perceive paid lawyers as attractive, even necessary. And such third-partying will keep divorcing people's arguments from what they truly believe.

And of course, lawyers in a society that accepts the profession as a legitimate source of income will keep accepting to be paid and perceived legitimate workers.

Give that closed loop enough time and people will again come to ever increasingly both distrust and rely on paid third parties to represent their interests towards law enforcement.

Which, it seems to me, all but ensures that they will find strong, continuous incentive both to enter politics and to lie all the time as a matter of course.

A major part of addressing the problem is to get more legal parties, & fewer lawyers in office.

There are good reasons to have someone else represent oneself.
There's an old saying which is really cromulent.....
A lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client.

 

[jeager106]

Trump CAN'T be any worse than former politicians that ran for President.
He's the only Conservative choice in my mind so has my vote and votes
of many others I know.

 

[ShivaFan]

"Trump is running on a joke. Are people really going to vote for him?"

Unless someone is living under a rock and doesn't see history in motion right before their eyes, this is no joke. Yes people are going to vote for him. IN the millions and in the majority. Ok, this isn't very complicated. All we have to do is wait just a couple more days. Wait for Florida, Ohio, Illinois on Tuesday. That will answer a lot of questions. Kasich has a chance for Ohio. But not the nomination. If Trump wins Florida, Rubio is finished. He may not even be able to win his current seat back. If Trump wins Illinois, it is over for Cruz. Yes millions and millions are voting Trump. So let us see Tuesday, to see the real deal. Trump has already swept the South. He only is weak in the states where, if you run a line straight down the middle of the US, he doesn't do as well. But they do not count as much as the rest. America is a Republic, not a Democracy. If Trumps takes the "rust belt" and the support of the disfranchised American workers who are damn angry - he rules not only America, but maybe the world.

 

[LuisDantas]

Trump CAN'T be any worse than former politicians that ran for President.

Of course he can. Or so he has been promising, anyway.

He's the only Conservative choice in my mind so has my vote and votes
of many others I know.

If you say so.

 

[Willamena]

As a half-Asian/half-White guy with a college degree, you must think I'm an exception to the rule as a Trump supporter. The funny thing is that an unusually large number of Trump supporters I've encountered are educated, peaceful, and--shock alert--not racist.

Teflon Don is gonna win, so all the insults are futile.

But why?

 

[Willamena]

the less of any other evil...

...is still evil.

 

[Willamena]

I just don't care about issues. I have a secret desire to see America crash and burn. Maybe it's a sexual fantasy of mine? I can't say; I'm not the self-analytical type.

But Trump 2016.

An anarchist bend would explain it.

 

[Willamena]

Hasn't it already happened in great numbers??

No. The US is involved in choosing candidates for the election.