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Trump kicked off Colorado ballot

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Even though that's basically what the 14th Amendment lays out?

The eligibility criteria for President in the Constitution are pretty cut-and-dry, but if there's a question about the facts of the matter, it would go to the courts to make a ruling... as happened in the Colorado case.



Based on what? Cite some actual law on this... preferably a section of the Constitution that says things work the way you're suggesting.
Obviously you didn't care to read the due process clause in the same amendment.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Up to the states to decide what an insurrection is? Where in the world do you get that???

US Constitution, Article II, Section 1, Clause 2.

That's the clause that spells out the rules around presidential electors, and places most of the authority for this with the states.


AFAICT, this gives each state the authority to oversee how electors are chosen and instructed, which would necessarily have to include the authority around issues like eligibility requirements to be on the state ballot.

That being said, faithless electors are a thing, so if an ineligible presidential candidate got EC votes, it would be up to the joint session of Congress to raise the objection and reject those invalid votes through their process.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Please tell me whether you think that eligibility for the presidency is:

1) life
2) liberty, or
3) property
You should be telling that to the Democrats.

The people in charge of the least free, least Liberty, with least control over one's own property in the most oppressive and restricted states in the entire country.


God help this country if such people were to grab the presidency.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
You should be telling that to the Democrats.

The people in charge of the least free, least Liberty, with least control over one's own property in the most oppressive and restricted states in the entire country.


God help this country if such people were to grab the presidency.
Is this your way of saying that you don't have a real answer to my question?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
"What Colorado did is unconstitutional!"

"What part of the Constitution did they violate?"

"The due process clause in the 14th Amendment!"

"That clause doesn't say what you're claiming it does."

"Yeah, well... Democrats suck!"
The tactic of always asking questions endlessly as if you got a chronic bout of amnesia from the answers people have already given you is getting , if not already pretty monotonous. But you never gave a straight answer anyways, just asking more questions like you can't tell your head from your***.

So I'm not surprised here as well your still doing this stupid tactic you seem to be so fond of using.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
The tactic of always asking questions endlessly as if you got a chronic bout of amnesia from the answers people have already given you is getting , if not already pretty monotonous. But you never gave a straight answer anyways, just asking more questions like you can't tell your head from your***.

So I'm not surprised here as well your still doing this stupid tactic you seem to be so fond of using.
My "stupid tactic" was to give you the benefit of the doubt and respond as if you might have a valid point, despite my common sense telling me that you were full of crap.

If it works better for you, I can just not entertain the idea that you have a real point and just go with my gut. That's probably the more reasonable course of action anyway, considering your track record.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
My "stupid tactic" was to give you the benefit of the doubt and respond as if you might have a valid point, despite my common sense telling me that you were full of crap.

If it works better for you, I can just not entertain the idea that you have a real point and just go with my gut. That's probably the more reasonable course of action anyway, considering your track record.
I expected you to say something like that.

Thank you for not disappointing here. ;0]

That is all. Have a good day.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
Really? One person’s opinion? What happens when the Supremes reverse Colorado and you and your cite are wrong?

Then so be it? They were wrong, **** happens?

I used the source I did because they are a long term conservative justice, who's opinion was cited multiple times by GOP Senators recently in relation to his impeachment ("don't do it while he is out of office").

So I assumed, silly me, that maybe his words meant something to them?
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Really? One person’s opinion? What happens when the Supremes reverse Colorado and you and your cite are wrong?

He's one ahead of you. You haven't given any expert opinions at all; just your assurance that lots of unnamed experts agree with you.
 

Watchmen

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
You are not making any sense. The states often are allowed to interpret the Constitution for state matters. In fact the Tenth Amendment makes that clear.
No. You’re not making any sense. The Supremes are the ultimate authority on what the Constitution means. Do you deny that?
 

Watchmen

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
US Constitution, Article II, Section 1, Clause 2.

That's the clause that spells out the rules around presidential electors, and places most of the authority for this with the states.


AFAICT, this gives each state the authority to oversee how electors are chosen and instructed, which would necessarily have to include the authority around issues like eligibility requirements to be on the state ballot.

That being said, faithless electors are a thing, so if an ineligible presidential candidate got EC votes, it would be up to the joint session of Congress to raise the objection and reject those invalid votes through their process.
And you agree that ultimately the Supremes get to decide what the constitution means, right?
 

Watchmen

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
He's one ahead of you. You haven't given any expert opinions at all; just your assurance that lots of unnamed experts agree with you.



Now what? Did that magically change your mind? Doubt it, which is why I didn’t post any links to begin with. Ya’ll are so convinced you’re right you put your head in the sand.

Are you aware that other states have refused to apply the 14th in this manner?
 

Watchmen

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Why would the Supreme Court rule on what "insurrection" means?

The original Colorado ruling and the state Supreme Court ruling both acknowledged that Trump committed insurrection. The dispute is about other aspects of the law.
This shows your shallow understanding of the issue.

You also didn’t answer my question.
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
Why would the Supreme Court rule on what "insurrection" means?

The original Colorado ruling and the state Supreme Court ruling both acknowledged that Trump committed insurrection. The dispute is about other aspects of the law.
True that. From what I understand, all seven justices on the Colorado Supreme Court did not dispute the finding of fact that Trump engaged in insurrection.
 
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