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Trump ordered to pay nearly 355 million in NY fraud case.

F1fan

Veteran Member
You blinked.


The 83 million kept him quite for a while, but Trump literally cannot control himself.
That damn Trump made me look bad. My fault for giving him the benefit of the doubt, and not following Trump's every move waiting for him to lose control again (I can only handle about 20 seconds of his trash mouth).

How much will Carroll Mk. 3 cost him?
 

Soandso

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That damn Trump made me look bad. My fault for giving him the benefit of the doubt, and not following Trump's every move waiting for him to lose control again (I can only handle about 20 seconds of his trash mouth).

How much will Carroll Mk. 3 cost him?
Probably nothing. MAGA is eager to throw their money at him
 

Ebionite

Well-Known Member
I thought reporting your senseless ad hominem attack was more important.
It wasn't senseless or an ad-hominem. The reason behind it is to show how the truth is subverted in U.S. politics. Thank you for assisting me with this by refusing to address the facts that relate to your mischaracterisation of my interaction with S.Z.
 
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F1fan

Veteran Member
Probably nothing. MAGA is eager to throw their money at him
As the Trump machine takes over the RNC, and most, if not all, of their fundraising and money goes towards Trump, all other republicans running for offices in 2024 won't get financial support. I wonder how much in big money they will get if they know it will go towrds Trump fines and not winning elections. And Nikki Halley is still out there taking money away from the Trump effort. Trump's debt situation is going to be a black hole to republican fund raising.
 

Soandso

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They set up a gofundme.

I won't link to it. But there really is one.

Remember when there was a GoFundMe for finishing Trump's wall? It turned out to be a scam too, which made it doubly funny


Why are MAGAs always getting scammed all the time? Trump Bucks was also a good time

 

Ebionite

Well-Known Member
Likely. So you are guessing.
No, uncertainity can be mitigated by recognising well-known patterns of behaviour.

You are dismissing and/or ignoring the laws that Trump violated in this case.
You don't have any evidence that Trump violated laws in this case.

I note the similarity between you and S.Z. regarding the lack of facts that you present. I don't think this is a coincidence, since you said that he was honest.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
No, uncertainity can be mitigated by recognising well-known patterns of behaviour.
Not evidence, eh?
You don't have any evidence that Trump violated laws in this case
The prosecutors do.

I accept the legal outcomes.

I note the similarity between you and S.Z. regarding the lack of facts that you present. I don't think this is a coincidence, since you said that he was honest.
You are biased against anyone who isn't MAGA. That is your flaw.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
You blinked.


The 83 million kept him quite for a while, but Trump literally cannot control himself.
That sounded more like denial, but his attorneys better jump on him because it would not take much more than that for him to make another visit to court.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Remember when there was a GoFundMe for finishing Trump's wall? It turned out to be a scam too, which made it doubly funny


Why are MAGAs always getting scammed all the time? Trump Bucks was also a good time

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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
No, uncertainity can be mitigated by recognising well-known patterns of behaviour.


You don't have any evidence that Trump violated laws in this case.

I note the similarity between you and S.Z. regarding the lack of facts that you present. I don't think this is a coincidence, since you said that he was honest.
Both of us have presented facts. You are describing what you have done here. All of your arguments to date have only been backed up by "because I said so" or even worse one time you got the help of an AI bot.

If you had been polite to me instead of endlessly rude I would have given you the time in my video where the judge supported my claim. I would still do so if you apologized for your past bad behavior. I don't hold a grudge too often when it comes to internet debates.
 

Ebionite

Well-Known Member
All of your arguments to date have only been backed up by "because I said so" or even worse one time you got the help of an AI bot.
As usual you are dishonest - you knew that I have referred to Black's dictionary of law. The LLM at you.com confirmed that your claim that the U.S. changed its approach to the common law in 1956 was not true.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
How much will Carroll Mk. 3 cost him?
I hadn't heard about Trump opening his mouth again until this thread, but I certainly hope Carroll brings another suit against him. Why wouldn't she? She despises the man, he's hurt her deeply, and now she can play with him like a cat does with a mouse and just keep humiliating him and flexing HER strength at his expense. If she does, they'll probably need to make the punitive damages a couple hundred million this time.
As the Trump machine takes over the RNC, and most, if not all, of their fundraising and money goes towards Trump, all other republicans running for offices in 2024 won't get financial support.
That's a good thing. If donors see their money going to Trump's legal woes, they'll give less, and if what is given is spent on lawyers for Trump, as you noted, every Republican candidate becomes less well funded. Nice (in the voice of Borat).
Why are MAGAs always getting scammed all the time?
Rhetorical question, right? What else do you need to know about their intelligence than that they bought Trump's lies? And I encourage them to send as much money as they have to Trump. He won't be able to keep it, either.
fraud involves a victim.
Trump was found to have committed fraud, meaning he met the legal criteria for successfully prosecuting that crime.
the banks didn't bring the suit against Trump as you would expect if they made a loss.
If they made what they expected to make, why would they bring lawsuits?

Also, banks are not empowered to do the kind of investigating that the government is. Now, they have the benefit of James' and Bragg's investigations, and can decide whether to file lawsuits going forward.
ambiguity is interpreted against the interests of the one who introduced the ambiguous language, in this case the state of New York.
What ambiguity? The judge ruled that it was fraud based in the clear evidence of fraud. Financial fraud cases like this one are among the easiest and least ambiguous that exist to prosecute. There's a paper trail documenting the fraud. Trump was always going to go down for this once it was decided to investigate and then later to show the evidence to a grand jury and then a judge.
You don't have any evidence that Trump violated laws in this case.
You just wrote, "uncertainty can be mitigated by recognizing well-known patterns of behaviour." Trump is a career criminal. That's evidence that whenever he is suspected of a crime, he is likely guilty of it. That's part of a "well-known patterns of behaviour."

But there is even better evidence than that, specific to this crime that will land him in prison for the fraud. His taxes and loan applications reveal evidence of a violation of criminal law and why Bragg will be putting Trump on trial on criminal charges next month if Trump can't delay that start date.

Everybody that has an emotional connection to Trump made a mistake. They hitched their wagons to the wrong star, and now they must suffer vicariously with Trump for as long as they continue to feel anger on his behalf. His pain is their pain. His outrage is their outrage. His sense of having been treated unfairly is now theirs. Each new conviction will reopen that wound for everybody that continues to care about his fate. Every humiliation he suffers will cause anger in those people.

You might think about moving on from that train wreck. He's not your friend and wouldn't care if those things happening to him happened to you. I assure you that it is much more pleasant rooting for him to get his comeuppance, because that's what's happening. Maybe you can't get to that place, but I would suggest moving toward it if you can. Trump's a goner, a lost cause. Why should you be dashed across the rocks emotionally every time he takes another gut punch? Why should you be trying to defend the indefensible for him? They're his crimes.
 
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