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Trump ordered to pay nearly 355 million in NY fraud case.

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This is from the judgement by Judge Engoron, and it tells you what the law is in NY:

Along came Executive Law § 63(12), which began life as Laws of 1956, Chapter 592, “An act to amend the executive law, in relation to cancellation of registration of doing business under an assumed name or as partners for repeated fraudulent or illegal acts.” Jacob Javits, then the Attorney General of the State of New York (the position that Attorney General James now occupies), pushed for the bill, as did the Better Business Bureau of New York City. See Senate Bill Jacket, February 21, 1956. State Comptroller Arthur Levitt asked, “Why not grant the Attorney General authority to enjoin anyone from continuing in a business activity if such person has been guilty of frequent fraudulent dealings.” The preponderance of the evidence standard, the one used in almost all civil cases would apply. Comptroller Levitt noted: “In a suit for an injunction, there is no need to prove the charge beyond a reasonable doubt, as in a criminal case—a mere preponderance of evidence would be sufficient.” Id.

In the subsequent six decades, the State has toughened the statute. In Laws of 1965, Chapter 666, the definitions of the words “fraud” and “fraudulent” were expanded to include “any device, scheme or artifice to defraud and any deception, misrepresentation, concealment, false pretence [sic], false promise or unconscionable contractual provisions.” The statute casts a wide net. INDEX NO. 452564/2022 NYSCEF DOC. NO. 1688 RECEIVED NYSCEF: 02/16/2024 2 of 92 Page 3 of 92 452564/2022 PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK, BY LETITIA JAMES, ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK vs. “The general grant of power to the Attorney General under section 63(12) has traditionally been his most potent.” 3 Fordham Urb. L. J. 491, 502 (1975).

Executive Law § 63(12) now reads as follows:


Whenever any person shall engage in repeated fraudulent or illegal acts or otherwise demonstrate persistent fraud or illegality in the carrying on, conducting or transaction of business, the attorney general may apply… for an order enjoining the continuance of such business activity or of any fraudulent or illegal acts, directing restitution and damages and, in an appropriate case, cancelling any certificate filed under and by virtue of the provisions of section four hundred forty of the former penal law or section one hundred thirty of the general business law, and the court may award the relief applied for or so much thereof as it may deem proper. The word “fraud” or “fraudulent” as used herein shall include any device, scheme or artifice to defraud and any deception, misrepresentation, concealment, suppression, false pretense, false promise or unconscionable contractual provisions. The term “persistent fraud” or “illegality” as used herein shall include continuance or carrying on of any fraudulent or illegal act or conduct. The term “repeated” as used herein shall include repetition of any separate and distinct fraudulent or illegal act, or conduct which affects more than one person. Notwithstanding any law to the contrary, all monies recovered or obtained under this subdivision by a state agency or state official or employee acting in their official capacity shall be subject to subdivision eleven of section four of the state finance law.

This is from the judgement by Judge Engoron, and it tells you what the law is in NY:

Along came Executive Law § 63(12), which began life as Laws of 1956, Chapter 592, “An act to amend the executive law, in relation to cancellation of registration of doing business under an assumed name or as partners for repeated fraudulent or illegal acts.” Jacob Javits, then the Attorney General of the State of New York (the position that Attorney General James now occupies), pushed for the bill, as did the Better Business Bureau of New York City. See Senate Bill Jacket, February 21, 1956. State Comptroller Arthur Levitt asked, “Why not grant the Attorney General authority to enjoin anyone from continuing in a business activity if such person has been guilty of frequent fraudulent dealings.” The preponderance of the evidence standard, the one used in almost all civil cases would apply. Comptroller Levitt noted: “In a suit for an injunction, there is no need to prove the charge beyond a reasonable doubt, as in a criminal case—a mere preponderance of evidence would be sufficient.” Id.

In the subsequent six decades, the State has toughened the statute. In Laws of 1965, Chapter 666, the definitions of the words “fraud” and “fraudulent” were expanded to include “any device, scheme or artifice to defraud and any deception, misrepresentation, concealment, false pretence [sic], false promise or unconscionable contractual provisions.” The statute casts a wide net. INDEX NO. 452564/2022 NYSCEF DOC. NO. 1688 RECEIVED NYSCEF: 02/16/2024 2 of 92 Page 3 of 92 452564/2022 PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK, BY LETITIA JAMES, ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK vs. “The general grant of power to the Attorney General under section 63(12) has traditionally been his most potent.” 3 Fordham Urb. L. J. 491, 502 (1975).

Executive Law § 63(12) now reads as follows:


Whenever any person shall engage in repeated fraudulent or illegal acts or otherwise demonstrate persistent fraud or illegality in the carrying on, conducting or transaction of business, the attorney general may apply… for an order enjoining the continuance of such business activity or of any fraudulent or illegal acts, directing restitution and damages and, in an appropriate case, cancelling any certificate filed under and by virtue of the provisions of section four hundred forty of the former penal law or section one hundred thirty of the general business law, and the court may award the relief applied for or so much thereof as it may deem proper. The word “fraud” or “fraudulent” as used herein shall include any device, scheme or artifice to defraud and any deception, misrepresentation, concealment, suppression, false pretense, false promise or unconscionable contractual provisions. The term “persistent fraud” or “illegality” as used herein shall include continuance or carrying on of any fraudulent or illegal act or conduct. The term “repeated” as used herein shall include repetition of any separate and distinct fraudulent or illegal act, or conduct which affects more than one person. Notwithstanding any law to the contrary, all monies recovered or obtained under this subdivision by a state agency or state official or employee acting in their official capacity shall be subject to subdivision eleven of section four of the state finance law.
Hey!! Are you plagiarizing me??:p:p:D


I do not think that it was read or understood when I posted the same.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Hey!! Are you plagiarizing me??:p:p:D


I do not think that it was read or understood when I posted the same.
Dammit! Again sorry -- yours was over 200 posts ago!
 

We Never Know

No Slack
That’s why Weisselberg got got convicted as chief financial officer.

Of course appraisers can be punished if they create and submit deliberate falsehoods. In my scenario I proposed two options, one that is currently valid and another that is plausible given other circumstances. If those appraisals get used for fraud that would not implicate the appraiser.

Since the housing collapse of 2008 there has been a great deal of scrutiny on appraisals and those doing them.
I thought Weisselberg was was convicted on tax fraud, falsifying payouts, etc.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I thought Weisselberg was was convicted on tax fraud, falsifying payouts, etc.
It looks as if he made a plea deal where he got a reduce jail sentence. He was only charged for his own personal tax evasion since he testified about what happened in Trump's organization:

 

We Never Know

No Slack
It looks as if he made a plea deal where he got a reduce jail sentence. He was only charged for his own personal tax evasion since he testified about what happened in Trump's organization:


Yes about the companies taxes and payouts, not false appraisals about Trumps property.

"According to the defendant’s plea allocution on August 18, 2022, and his testimony at trial over the course of three days on November 15, 17 and 18, 2022, from 2005 to 2018 in his role as Chief Financial Officer and together with other company employees and the Trump Corporation and Trump Payroll Corp., WEISSELBERG engaged in a scheme to defraud federal, state and city tax authorities to enrich himself and other Trump Corporation employees.

"WEISSELBERG admitted that he and other Trump Corporation employees were compensated in a manner so that substantial portions of their income were intentionally unreported or misreported by the companies to the taxing authorities in order to pay less in taxes."

Furthermore, WEISSELBERG admitted that the scheme involved the failure of the companies to withhold income taxes on wages, salaries, bonuses and other forms of compensation paid to WEISSELBERG and other company employees. WEISSELBERG also admitted the scheme allowed the companies to evade the payment of payroll taxes required to be paid in connection with employee compensation."
 

We Never Know

No Slack
But he also lied about valuation of properties, at least when being questioned about them in court. That’s why he is in the news for perjury.
Citation needed. And the citation needs to support your claim of that's why he was convicted and given jail time.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Yes about the companies taxes and payouts, not false appraisals about Trumps property.

"According to the defendant’s plea allocution on August 18, 2022, and his testimony at trial over the course of three days on November 15, 17 and 18, 2022, from 2005 to 2018 in his role as Chief Financial Officer and together with other company employees and the Trump Corporation and Trump Payroll Corp., WEISSELBERG engaged in a scheme to defraud federal, state and city tax authorities to enrich himself and other Trump Corporation employees.

"WEISSELBERG admitted that he and other Trump Corporation employees were compensated in a manner so that substantial portions of their income were intentionally unreported or misreported by the companies to the taxing authorities in order to pay less in taxes."

Furthermore, WEISSELBERG admitted that the scheme involved the failure of the companies to withhold income taxes on wages, salaries, bonuses and other forms of compensation paid to WEISSELBERG and other company employees. WEISSELBERG also admitted the scheme allowed the companies to evade the payment of payroll taxes required to be paid in connection with employee compensation."
Dang it, it looks as if you are right. Worse yet the lesson did not take. He apparently committed perjury in the latest trial and is now negotiating a plea deal. I remember that now after this. At any rate he made the mistake of lying for Trump again:

 

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Nope. That doesn't support that is why he was convicted and given jail time in his tax fraud trial.
I was not talking about that. He got jail time for his part in the business tax fraud. I admitted that you were right about him. I posted that to show that the lesson that it is a bad idea to lie for Trump did not take.
 
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