Trump ordered to pay nearly 355 million in NY fraud case.

[Revoltingest]

I do not see any current monetary suits, but the success of those two could have easily opened up the floodgates. All of his other current court cases are either criminal, and who would not enjoy a few guilty verdict there, and his disqualification case.:

The Cases Against Trump: A Guide

Thirty-four felony convictions. Charges of fraud, election subversion, and obstruction. One place to keep track of the presidential candidate’s legal troubles.

www.theatlantic.com

Right now I do not care that much if he does not get disqualified. When it comes to the Republican Party he is a one man wrecking crew, don't get jealous.

I want criminal convictions
with prison time.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

You continue to show us your lack of knowledge, and your extreme bias.

That's a pretty toxic combo, isn't it?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I want criminal convictions
with prison time.

As do a lot of us --- but wasn't it you who said it ain't gonna happen?

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's a pretty toxic combo, isn't it?

MAGA in a nutshell.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

And were repaid in full? Oh my!

Were they "repaid in full?" Had assets been properly reported, interest rates would have been higher -- there is no question about that. So they were repaid less than they should have been, had they been aware of the real values of the assets and credit standing that were used to decide those interest rates.

But I've a question for you, because you seem to be suggesting that a crime ceases to be a crime if an effort is made to reverse it. If I steal $1,000 dollars from you, but before going to court I pay it back (I used it to buy stocks that increased, so paying it back didn't hurt me), then obviously I didn't commit a crime and don't deserve punishment. Because, think about it, if you had that $1,000, you might yourself have been able to buy those stocks, and been therefore richer.

I am not in favour of supposing that the guy who murder's parents ought to be forgiven because he actively supports orphans.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Just a reminder, Cohen was found to be reliable in Trump's lawsuit. His interview about the verdict. And how bad this is for him. If he wants to appeal he has to come up with the cash ahead of time:

 

[PureX]

This is good news.

Trump is already angling to make the RNC pay all his legal bills for him, which means they will have no money left to support other republican candidate’s election campaigns.

 

[F1fan]

This is good news.

Trump is already angling to make the RNC pay all his legal bills for him, which means they will have no money left to support other republican candidate’s election campaigns.

Reporting is that the RNC only has about $10 million. With Trump asking for money I'm not sure who is willing to invest in him when it won't go towards winning the election. I can see individual MAGAs get suckered into sending him money, but I don't see big money donors wanting their money to just pay off his fines. Trump has nearly half a billion to raise quite soon, and I'm not sure he has that "winner" vibe any more.

 

[Ebionite]

Explain to me how that works, please.

Same principle as when Trump asked Zelensky to investigate Bursima.

 

[Laniakea]

But how would they know, unless they became suspicious and employed separate real estate valuers to check the numbers the Trump organisation gave them? It was systematic fraud over a period of ten years or more.

The fact is the numbers were false and that is not allowed in business.

Or, we could believe what the NY AG said while running for office--vowing to go after Trump, even though she had no specific charges against him. She had to come up with something: https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...mp-2018-comments-running-office-cnntm-vpx.cnn

 

[Laniakea]

Were they "repaid in full?" Had assets been properly reported, interest rates would have been higher -- there is no question about that. So they were repaid less than they should have been, had they been aware of the real values of the assets and credit standing that were used to decide those interest rates.

But I've a question for you, because you seem to be suggesting that a crime ceases to be a crime if an effort is made to reverse it. If I steal $1,000 dollars from you, but before going to court I pay it back (I used it to buy stocks that increased, so paying it back didn't hurt me), then obviously I didn't commit a crime and don't deserve punishment. Because, think about it, if you had that $1,000, you might yourself have been able to buy those stocks, and been therefore richer.

I am not in favour of supposing that the guy who murder's parents ought to be forgiven because he actively supports orphans.

For a liberal, you seem to suddenly have a lot of sympathy for the big banks. How touching that you feel so sorry for them for not getting more money than they were already happy with.

 

[Laniakea]

Once again, poor reading comprehension. I said that it was unknown borrowers that were the victims.

If you should have gotten a loan on your house for 5% but had to pay 10% because someone else lied wouldn't you be a victim in that case?

"Unknown borrowers".
IOW, nobody that has claimed any harm. Even after the judgement, people still have to invent who these "victims" are.

 

[F1fan]

Or, we could believe what the NY AG said while running for office--vowing to go after Trump, even though she had no specific charges against him. She had to come up with something: https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...mp-2018-comments-running-office-cnntm-vpx.cnn

So you really think the evidence that is available to the public was invented? It came from Trump and his business. And it has been known for decades that Trump was committing fraud in many ways. He's already lost numerous cases.

Why don't you explain to us how the evidence against Trump doesn't justify a judgment. Or are you just throwing a tantrum due to the inner conflict of supporting a conman?

 

[Ebionite]

Were they "repaid in full?" Had assets been properly reported, interest rates would have been higher -- there is no question about that.

Who gets to define what proper reporting is, with a politicised judiciary?

 

[Laniakea]

So in your moral universe, if I stick you up and take all of your money - but years later give it back to you - no harm to you, right?

Getting a loan from a bank with full agreement between both parties is hardly a "stickup".
Try again.
Actually, your first attempt was way too lame.
Give it up.

 

[Laniakea]

So you really think the evidence that is available to the public was invented? It came from Trump and his business. And it has been known for decades that Trump was committing fraud in many ways. He's already lost numerous cases.

If it was known for decades, it would have been prosecuted decades ago, rather than waiting for the year he is ahead in the election polls.

 

[Laniakea]

What is scary is that if every MAGA family sent in $5.00 per family member that would pay off Trump's debt.

Nice to see you acknowledge how much of the country disagrees with you..
Get on board, son!

 

[F1fan]

If it was known for decades, it would have been prosecuted decades ago, rather than waiting for the year he is ahead in the election polls.

It was. Trump University got sued, and Trump lost. Trump charity got sued, and Trump lost. He and his kids are banned from being involved in any charity in New York due to their fraud. With trump running for election, and Cohen being conicted for financial crimes, the prosecutoers learned how much Trump lied, and they had a basis for an investigation with his help. Today's result has been 5 years in the making.

You don't seem very aware of they guy you are supporting. You seem stunned that all these crimes are being exposed.

 

[Ebionite]

 

[F1fan]

And let's not forget that the IRS has been doing an investigation of Trump and his tax cheating. Estimates suspect that Trump will be found liable for tax evasion, and could have to pay nearly $100 million in back taxes.

Trump may be facing massive real estate sales to come up with the cash to pay these bills. You have to wonder what inheritance will be left for the kids.